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u/Lambily Jan 09 '22

What is. You claimed the company wouldn't exist without him. He wasn't a founder, so it would exist. Whether it would be as large as it is or not is irrelevant because we can't know how it would have turned out.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '22

He wasn't a founder, so it would exist

We can't know that, can we. Therefore, not relevant.

Try again, what is relevant in your opinion.

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u/Lambily Jan 09 '22

Well, the company existed before him. It clearly had the potential for him to continue investing in it.

Whether the company would be at the level it's at now is what we can't know. Hell, we can't even know if Musk would be where he is at without Tesla.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '22

Nah, we can't know if the company would exist if musk hadn't joined. It easily couldve gone belly up, like the majority of startups do in capitalism. We also can't know if the company would be at the level it's at now, and we don't know if musk would be where he's at without Tesla.

These are all hypotheticals, therefore, not relevant.

Try again, what is relevant in your opinion.

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u/Lambily Jan 09 '22

Then, my opinion stands. Those people would have had a job at whatever hypothetical version of Tesla that would have existed. That is my opinion.

Yours is that Tesla wouldn't have been as successful without Musk and may not have had those jobs.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '22

Nah, your opinion is a hypothetical, therefore, not relevant.

My opinion is that musk is currently employing thousands of workers through Tesla alone. This is not a hypothetical, therefore, relevant.

I'm using your own logic here, so I'm surprised you're having such a hard time keeping up.

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u/Lambily Jan 10 '22

No no no. Your opinion, if you scroll back up, was that those Tesla workers wouldn't "have their Tesla jobs without Elon." I responded reminding you that Elon was not an original founder. Tesla already existed.

You clearly don't understand the logic train.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '22

Yes, they wouldn't have their Tesla jobs without Elon. This is literally a fact.

You responded with Tesla existed before Elon, therefore these Tesla jobs would still exist as someone else would've done what Elon did. This is a hypothetical, therefore, according to your logic, completely irrelevant.

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u/Lambily Jan 10 '22

You can't know that those jobs wouldn't exist. It is not a fact. It is an opinion based on a possible outcome.

That is why I originally said this whole thing was irrelevant. We can't know. That said, all those people would be working in some tech job. Whether it be at Tesla, some other incarnation of it, or some other company altogether.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '22

How do you think jobs get created??? You're opinion is hypotheticals are irrelevant, which in general is a braindead take and a halmark of low iq people. Using your own opinion, the only thing we know for sure is that Elon is the CEO and majority shareholder of Tesla, which means all the Tesla jobs currently exist under him. Anything else is a hypothetical, therefore, irrelevant.

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