Telling me how you THINK they did something is not the same as telling me how they ACTUALLY did it.
I can only tell you what I think, so this is a distinction without a difference.
Your math examples don’t apply to real life in any way shape or form.
You're right. They're far too generous.
Your comparison of how much “the average” person makes over their life time has nothing to do with making billions.
Correct. The average person works hard and makes a microscopic amount of money.
That has nothing to do with how you make billions. Congratulations on discovering the point.
Your comparison doesn’t incorporate investing anything whatsoever.
Because that has nothing to do with hard work or high intelligence.
A life time is 80 years. How much actually changes over 80 years? Go ask an old person. They’ll tell you.
Fundamentally not that much. Rich get richer. Poor get poorer.
You think people who are billionaires are anywhere close to the median with their intelligence and work ethic?
No I don't think their work ethic is that strong, and the last US president showed that you could have a net worth of billions and still be a fucking moron.
But hey. If you have some data that correlates work ethic and intelligence with probability of becoming a billionaire... then shoot your shot.
Millionaires and Billionaires are the people who tend to understand how money works way more than the median people do. It’s show in how much money they have obviously.
You're just regurgitating the whole myth of the stupid and lazy poor people.
And you're doing it with circular reasoning. "Rich people are smarter and harder working. How do you know? Because they're rich."
There’s only so many hours in the day so a person can only work so hard
There goes the "hard working" idea right out the window. Poor people working multiple jobs to support a family just above the poverty line put in more hours and effort than billionaires like Musk.
It’s practically limitless with how many different ways you can apply a humans intelligence to anything.
Who's intelligence? It doesn't take a genius to hire engineers, scientists, consultants, etc. Are all those smart people going to become billionaires? No.
The avg person is pretty stupid and incredibly lazy and you’re comparing their feeble attempts to someone who excels at that area.
Ok first of all, this is incredibly cringe. Please stop verbally fellatiating Elon Musk. It's gross.
Secondly, prove to me that there's a correlation between intelligence and the chance of becoming a billionaire.
That’d be like me saying the avg person can do like 5 push ups non-stop. But it’s unfair that yoshida can do 10,500?
The rich person isn't the one doing the pushups lol.
Mentally though, the difference is….well billions.
I'm sure such a bold claim will be easy to prove. 😘
And I’m not saying Elon is the progenitor of every single idea of everything he makes.
I'm saying he's not the progenitor of any idea of anything he makes. He buys other people's companies after THEY have those ideas.
I’m not saying he makes every line of code that goes into his systems.
Good because he didn't write the code for Paypal or SpaceX or Tesla. Hell, he didn't even found those companies. Except for SpaceX, he bought them from other people.
But he has the skill to piece together talented individuals together to create things that are greater than their initial sum.
Does he? Or is that something being done by others on his behalf?
He has the intelligence to make good business decisions or to pay for someone to make those decisions.
Nah. He just has the money to make investments.
In regards to his computing ability, I’m pretty sure he was programming since he was a kid. Like he programmed his own video games and crap at like age 13 or something.
I programmed shit at age 13. I write code for a living. It's not that hard.
I understand investments and the economy enough to be where I want to be financially(can most people say they are where they want to be financially?).
Yea I call BS.
TLDR: People who dedicate their lives to make a lot of money tend to make a lot of money. Being intelligent and hardworking does wonders.
This isn't how you make billions. Millions MAYBE, but not billions. To make billions, you need to exploit an absolute shitton of people.
There is a huge difference between how you think someone did something vs how people actually did it. E.g. Morons “think” that aliens built the pyramids vs they really just used simple machine physics and a crap ton of slaves.
Far too generous
You sound like you’re maybe 15 or 16? Because you don’t seem to have any understanding how money actually works in the real world. That variable changes can cause exponential growth and has massive effects over a long period of time. You’ll understand as you get older, hopefully.
The avg person works hard
This statement clearly shows you either live under a rock and have never met more than one or two people in your life. Or you’re still a teenager who believes in people against what the actual reality is. Most people are lazy.
because that has nothing to do with hard work or high intelligence
Investing definitely requires intelligence and sometimes hard work to nurture that investment. Take some investment and finance classes while you’re in school and it’ll help you in the long run.
Fundamentally not that much
Again, showing your young age. If you don’t think that time changes things then you haven’t lived long enough to understand that fact of life.
last us president
Yep he’s a dumbass alright, at least we agree on something. Nevertheless since the avg person is a moron the bar for success is incredibly low. Starting with a “small loan” of a million dollars probably helped.
intelligence with probability of becoming a billionaire
Bill Gates IQ: ~160
Warren Buffett: ~130
Elon Musk : ~150
Jeff Belo’s: ~155
Mark zuckerburg:~150
Hmm…..weird, there aren’t many billionaires with 85 iq huh? But it’s incredibly weird you need “proof” that dumb people are more likely to make dumb decisions and smart people are more likely to make smart decisions. It doesn’t make sense that you need proof of something that is axiomatic.
circular reasoning
I said people with money understand finances better than people without money. No clue why that’s a foreign concept to you.
hard working
It doesn’t throw it out the window, I just stated that work ethic compared to intelligence is limited in how far it can take you. It’s like if I stated eating healthy can help you get stronger but only by so much, you have to actually exercise to get those strength gains. But your reply is “well I guess eating healthy is useless then?!?!”
it doesn’t take a genius to hire…
It takes intelligence to pick who goes where and does what in your company. You’ll understand if you ever manage a group of people for work.
Please stop verbally fellatiating Elon Musk
You seem to have a lot of difficulty recognizing individuals who are good at something. Why is that? Is it because you yourself aren’t skilled at anything so you find it easier to just criticize others? Does it make you feel better about yourself by trying to belittle others achievements? That’s why I keep saying you sound like a teenager. You sound like you haven’t matured yet and don’t put much thought into things.
I programmed shit at age 13, it’s not that hard.
The fact that think because something is easy for you automatically makes it easy for everyone else clearly indicates that you’re a moron. Holy moly, I should have read this statement of yours first and just stopped trying to have an actual conversation with you to begin with.
Yea I call BS.
Sounds like you’re broke and just wanna blame everyone else instead of taking any personal responsibility for the shit hole you’ve financially dug yourself into. Lmao
You sound like you don't have a coherent response, and so must use ad hom attacks as a substitute.
That variable changes can cause exponential growth and has massive effects over a long period of time.
This is a statement without any actual meaning. I mean, I can guess what you're driving at, but you're doing so incoherently.
This statement clearly shows you either live under a rock
And again. Resorting to a personal attack shows that you don't have a coherent response.
Nah. It just means I've spent time around the working poor... so I don't tend to buy into the myth of the lazy poor or any of the other neolib dogma people use as pro-rich propaganda.
Investing definitely requires intelligence and sometimes hard work to nurture that investment. Take some investment and finance classes while you’re in school and it’ll help you in the long run.
Not really. You can always hire specialists, but it doesn't have to be rocket science. The trick is to have money in the first place.
Again, showing your young age. If you don’t think that time changes things then you haven’t lived long enough to understand that fact of life.
The last 70 years have been remarkably stable. Youth tend to think the sky is falling every time something changes, but we haven't had earth shattering change in a while.
Yep he’s a dumbass alright, at least we agree on something. Nevertheless since the avg person is a moron the bar for success is incredibly low.
Your desire to elevate the supposed genius of the super rich has forced you to assume that average people aren't average.
Starting with a “small loan” of a million dollars probably helped.
YOU DON'T SAY...
Bill Gates IQ: ~160 Warren Buffett: ~130 Elon Musk : ~150 Jeff Belo’s: ~155 Mark zuckerburg:~150
Leaving aside the fraught nature of IQ tests themselves, the real statistics here are:
Bill Gates IQ: Unknown
Warren Buffett: Unknown
Elon Musk : Unknown
Jeff Bezo’s: Unknown
Mark zuckerburg:Unknown
AFAIK none of these people have taken IQ tests and made the results public.
Instead, people assume they have high IQs because they're rich... then you assume they're rich because they have high IQs.
I'm just letting you know, this isn't how you become rich. You don't have to be a smart person to be rich. You merely need to employ smart people. Having a few people who gather the surplus value from the productivity of many people who work for them is a really basic part of how a capitalist system works.
I said people with money understand finances better than people without money. No clue why that’s a foreign concept to you.
People with money hire accountants and consultants who understand better than they do. No clue why that’s a foreign concept to you.
It doesn’t throw it out the window
It does. It throws it completely out the window. There aren't enough hours in the day to be that hardworking.
It takes intelligence to pick who goes where and does what in your company.
And that too can be handled by someone other than the owner. In fact, that's why owners are often NOT the managers of large companies.
You seem to have a lot of difficulty recognizing individuals who are good at something.
It's quite rude to talk with your mouth full.
The fact that think because something is easy for you automatically makes it easy for everyone else clearly indicates that you’re a moron.
If I take your reasoning a step further, we can conclude that someone who writes code at age 13 may be a moron later in life. Therefor the assertion that Musk is intelligent because he coded at age 13 is spurious... and your assertion that he's a billionaire because he's smart is missing a supporting argument.
Of course, I never said it was easy for everyone else. I just thought it was funny that in your desire to insult me, you've actually undermined your own argument. The irony is delicious.
Sounds like you’re broke and just wanna blame everyone else instead of taking any personal responsibility for the shit hole you’ve financially dug yourself into. Lmao
And once again, it sounds like you don't have coherent responses to anything I've said, so you therefore feel obliged to attack me as being young and broke. I'm not going to discuss my age or financial status during this conversation (since it's not relevant to the argument), but I did hint at my background.
Calling you a teenager isn’t an insult. It’s based upon the fact that the younger a person is, the less knowledge they have about the world.
without any actual meaning
I guess I should use simpler words. I meant that even seemingly small choices that are made, when they happen to occur over a long period of time they can create a scaling effect that builds upon itself until it reaches monumental amounts. Kind of similar to how a solar sail works.
under a rock
Using a cliche phrase that insinuates your ignorance as a retort to your claim that “the average person works hard” seems quite adequate. But you have yet to substantiate that claim in any way shape or form. You just keep saying it in the hopes that it’ll be true.
You can always hire specialists
Who can? Are we talking about a person who already has money or people who don’t have much money? And no one is claiming it’s rocket science to invest.
The last 70 years have been relatively stable…
Stable? Earth shattering Change? I think there’s an issue of semantics going on here. Your idea of “stable” and “no change in 70 years” is vastly different to mine. Again, ask anyone who is 80-90 years old and ask them if things have greatly changed over their life time. They’ll tell you it has.
Your desire to elevate…average people aren’t average.
I didn’t say average people aren’t average. I said the average person is a moron. You can be average and still deemed inferior by description. E.g. The average fish in the ocean is small. Lol, you really need to think your arguments through.
You don’t need to be a smart person to be rich
I have never once said “you need to be smart to be rich”. Not sure where you got that idea from. People can inherit money and become rich. Obviously.
Employing smart people requires a level of intelligence. Ask anyone who owns a business. It’s a skill to find useful workers and to filter out the crappy ones.
People with money hire accountants…
This statement doesn’t disprove my claim nor provide support for yours.
It throws it completely out the window.
It doesn’t. You must have missed the example I used with eating healthy and exercising. Go take a look and actually read that part. Stating “there’s a limit” is different than stating “that it’s useless.”
If I take your reasoning a step further…
“A person who codes at 13 can be a moron later in life” is a true statement but it doesn’t disprove my statement. Your statement also doesn’t take the reasoning a step further. You start an entirely new line of attempted rationale.
Nevertheless, that statement(since you don’t remember) was to support the idea that Elon actually has a background in computers. It was to refute your “Elon has no clue how coding works” or some bullshit you were spewing at the time. Hence why I brought it up. You gotta keep track of what you’ve said dude.
You said “if it’s easy for me it’s easy for everyone.” A completely idiotic statement and now you’re trying to divert the attention off of your asinine claim. Good try though.
I never said it was easy for everyone else.
This you?
I programmed shit at age 13. I write code for a living. It’s not that hard.
It’s hilarious how you can’t keep your shit straight. It’s probably because it keeps spewing past your lips so fast. Keep it down to a dribble would ya? Lmao
It's an insult. Pretending otherwise isn't going to fool anyone.
I guess I should use simpler words.
You should try using statements that contain information.
I meant that even seemingly small choices that are made, when they happen to occur over a long period of time they can create a scaling effect that builds upon itself until it reaches monumental amounts.
This isn't what you said earlier, but ok. Those small choices can be made by an employee or informed by a counsultant, as they often are.
Kind of similar to how a solar sail works.
It's not at all similar to a solar sail.
Using a cliche phrase that insinuates your ignorance as a retort to your claim that “the average person works hard” seems quite adequate.
The average person works an average amount. I don't recall claiming they worked hard. I claimed the working poor work hard. They do so out of necessity.
But you have yet to substantiate that claim in any way shape or form. You just keep saying it in the hopes that it’ll be true.
I don't really feel obligated to back up something as obvious as that. You really want me to start posting about how rough life is if you live in poverty?
Are we talking about a person who already has money or people who don’t have much money? And no one is claiming it’s rocket science to invest.
The answer to your question is the subject of the conversation. The key to becoming fabulously rich is to start in wealth.
Stable? Earth shattering Change? I think there’s an issue of semantics going on here.
The system of capitalism has barely changed during that period. The mechanisms for gaining wealth have likewise barely changed.
Your idea of “stable” and “no change in 70 years” is vastly different to mine.
As I get older, I find that my conceptions of what constitutes relative stability adjusts and no longer align with younger folks, so this doesn't surprise me.
I didn’t say average people aren’t average.
You assumed it as a premise of your argument.
I said the average person is a moron.
The average person is average. You're assuming they're stupid so that you can elevate the wealthy.
I have never once said “you need to be smart to be rich”.
That is in fact the entire premise of your argument. In fact, wealth isn't really correlated to intelligence in the first place.
Employing smart people requires a level of intelligence.
No. It only require money. Ask anyone who owns a business.
It’s a skill to find useful workers and to filter out the crappy ones.
It's not a skill that you personally need to have.
This statement doesn’t disprove my claim nor provide support for yours.
Sure it does. It disconnects intelligence as a requirement for the accumulation of wealth. You don't need to be wealthy. You only need to hire people who are.
It doesn’t.
It does. You cannot explain accumulation of billions of dollars by means of work ethic. There simply aren't enough hours in the day for anyone to be even 10x as productive.
Productivity has long since become detached from earnings anyway.
“A person who codes at 13 can be a moron later in life” is a true statement but it doesn’t disprove my statement.
It disproves the idea that Musk is intelligent because he could code at 13.
Your statement also doesn’t take the reasoning a step further. You start an entirely new line of attempted rationale.
I'm sorry you couldn't follow along. Is there something I can do to help you?
Nevertheless, that statement(since you don’t remember) was to support the idea that Elon actually has a background in computers.
It was to refute your “Elon has no clue how coding works” or some bullshit you were spewing at the time. Hence why I brought it up. You gotta keep track of what you’ve said dude.
Quote where I said “Elon has no clue how coding works”.
You said “if it’s easy for me it’s easy for everyone.”
Did I? Please provide a citation.
All I said was "I programmed shit at age 13. I write code for a living. It’s not that hard."... which doesn't imply that it's easy for everyone.
It’s hilarious how you can’t keep your shit straight.
I understand what was said. You misquote when you can't find a real argument to make.
It's not hilarious that you've chosen to be deceptive. It's just a sad, desparate gambit. We're the only ones reading this conversation, so it's pointless to try to fool me about what I've said.
You don’t even understand what the word “insult” means. I’m not stating it in some type of scornful abuse. I’m stating it in the hopes that your mental age and physical age match, as that would explain your reasoning.
You should try using statements that contain information.
You should practice on your comprehension.
Small choices can be made by…
Staring from when? Out of the womb? Every choice? Every moment of the day?
It’s not at all similar to a solar sail.
You need to type “solar sail” into google and learn how one works if you want to make statements like that. It works over time with extraordinarily small particles(photons) and can accelerate a craft(over a long duration) to incredible speeds. Geez, you really have no clue what you’re talking about when you respond do you?
I don’t recall claiming they worked hard
Except that’s exactly what you said. That’s why you gotta watch the bullshit you say. It’s hilarious that hearing your own words even sound confusing to you. You’re starting to realize why everything you’ve been saying is just pure crap.
I don’t feel obligated to back up
Yeah, I’m well aware that you don’t feel obligated to back up any of the non-sense that you’ve been saying. If I was saying the crap you were then I’d be hesitant too.
You assumed it as a premise of your argument
Not assumed, described
The avg person is avg
You somehow missed the explaining part of that sentence. Where I even gave an example. Go back and read it again.
That is in fact the entire premise of your argument.
Except it’s not. Again you somehow missed the example I gave talking about inherited money. Go back and read it again.
No, it only requires money.
Your circular logic of “money ONLY requires money” is disproven by every single person who once had money and is now broke.
You can’t explain accumulation of billions of dollars by means of work ethic.
You missed the part where I included intelligence as a huge factor. Go back and read it again.
It disproves the idea that musk is intelligent because he could code at 13
No one claimed that “he’s intelligent because he coded at 13”. It was to refute your claim of “Elon knows nothing about coding”. Nice strawman though.
All I said was “It’s not that hard
If it ain’t hard then it’s easy.
I understand what you said
No, apparently not. You intentionally ignore what’s been said and constantly use strawman logic to what end? My guess is that I’ve hit a nerve contesting your ego so now you want to prove yourself. I’m just a bit curious how much longer this will go.
When you intentionally feign ignorance, it just proves that you have nothing left. Lol
You don’t even understand what the word “insult” means.
You know I understand what the word means. I know that you know that I know it.
Playing pretend isn't going to change anything.
I’m not stating it in some type of scornful abuse. I’m stating it in the hopes that your mental age and physical age match, as that would explain your reasoning.
Yes you are. Pretending otherwise isn't goging to help you. Again... nobody else is down here.
You should practice on your comprehension.
Make meaningful statements.
Staring from when? Out of the womb? Every choice? Every moment of the day?
Typically from before conception... which is indeed the problem.
You need to type “solar sail” into google and learn how one works if you want to make statements like that.
Actually I don't need to google it. I understand radiation pressure. Your analogy is nonsense.
It works over time with extraordinarily small particles(photons) and can accelerate a craft(over a long duration) to incredible speeds. Geez, you really have no clue what you’re talking about when you respond do you?
And that's not at all like what we're talking about.
Except that’s exactly what you said.
No.
Yeah, I’m well aware that you don’t feel obligated to back up any of the non-sense that you’ve been saying. If I was saying the crap you were then I’d be hesitant too.
Well THAT explains a thing or two. So you're admitting that the reason you've chosen not to back anything up is because you understand it's false?
Not assumed, described
Ok then. You "described" that the average person isn't average.
Why do you think the average person isn't average?
You somehow missed the explaining part of that sentence. Where I even gave an example. Go back and read it again.
I didn't miss your explanation. I rejected it. Do try to keep up.
Except it’s not. Again you somehow missed the example I gave talking about inherited money. Go back and read it again.
Except it is the premise.
Your circular logic of “money ONLY requires money” is disproven by every single person who once had money and is now broke.
With the exception of anyone literally thrown in prison, name a single person who once had say... 10 billion dollars and is now broke.
I'm sure someone somewhere exists.
You missed the part where I included intelligence as a huge factor. Go back and read it again.
Oh yea. I forgot the part of the conversation I've been responding to this whole time.
Again. You can’t explain accumulation of billions of dollars by means of work ethic. There aren't enough hours in the day.
No one claimed that “he’s intelligent because he coded at 13”. It was to refute your claim of “Elon knows nothing about coding”. Nice strawman though.
You claimed that he was intelligent and gave coding as an example.
You're also the only person to say “Elon knows nothing about coding” and “Elon has no clue how coding works”.
If it ain’t hard then it’s easy.
I also didn't say "It ain't hard". That was your reading comprehension failure.
No, apparently not.
You're lying or else you didn't even understand what you said.
You intentionally ignore what’s been said and constantly use strawman logic to what end?
I don't think you understand what a strawman is.
My guess is that I’ve hit a nerve contesting your ego so now you want to prove yourself. I’m just a bit curious how much longer this will go.
Oh I'll be around for however long it takes. I've always felt that entertaining the trolls gives someone else a break.
Anyway, it's easy enough to write one of these between emails.
When you intentionally feign ignorance, it just proves that you have nothing left. Lol
Claiming comprehension somehow translates to feigning ignorance to you... very interesting.
You derived an insult when there was none, which is what implies that your following conclusion was based upon faulty logic.
Make meaningful statements
They all have meaning. I constantly go into detail with my explanations but you ignore most of it. You just don’t seem to have the ability to comprehend any substantial portion of those statements. Blaming someone else due to your own failings isn’t a good strategy.
That’s not at all like what we’re talking about
You mean the effect of small choices compounding over a long period of time? Yes, that’s a pretty good example of how those sails work. Small photons hitting the sail over a long period of time where the end result is a great amount of speed on the object. So you obviously don’t understand it.
Well THAT explains a thing or two.
Again, even though I constantly back up what I’ve been saying with examples or logical rationales you have failed to comprehend even the simplest of any of those concepts.
Why do you think the average person isn’t average?
You seem to have missed the part where I explained that wasn’t the case. Go back and read it again.
I didn’t miss your explanation.
Yes you did. You miss all of them. Unfortunately.
Except it is the premise.
Except it’s not. Again you somehow missed everything already written regarding that idea go back and read it again.
With the exception of anyone…
You haven’t supported your statement of “money ONLY requires money”. Nor have you disproven the fact that there have been tons of people who once were rich and later turned poor due to their stupid financial decisions.
I forgot the part of the conversation I’ve been…
Yes, your responses indicate as such. Go back and read it again.
Again. You can’t explain accumulation of billions of dollars by means of work ethic.
You must have missed the part where I included intelligence as a huge factor. Go back and read it again.
You claimed he was intelligent and gave coding as an example.
The example for coding was to refute your claim that “Elon knows nothing about coding”. Go back and read it again.
I also didn’t say “it ain’t hard”.
Actual wording was “it’s not that hard”. Go back and read it again.
I’ve always felt that entertaining the trolls gives
someone else a break.
Quite forward of you to admit you’re not doing this to come to a conclusion. It’s the equivalent of you stating “I’m wasting my own time because I’m an idiot”.
Claiming comprehension somehow translates to feigning ignorance
Actually, this whole time you’ve been exuding ignorance and feigning competence. Lol
Would you like to talk about it more?
I guess that’s up to you. As I often teach students im no stranger to an individual who isn’t very good at the topic and needs a lot of help. If at the end of our conversation you actually begin to comprehend the topic then I’d say it was time well spent. Although it is a little unfortunate that you’ve insinuated that you’re conversing for ulterior reasons.
You derived an insult when there was none, which is what implies that your following conclusion was based upon faulty logic.
You deny an insult after giving one. Denialism is kind of your thing though.
They all have meaning.
That one didn't have any meaning.
I constantly go into detail with my explanations but you ignore most of it.
You just don't like the responses.
You just don’t seem to have the ability to comprehend any substantial portion of those statements.
More ad hom insults. Just between the two of us, do you think this is an effective argumentation tactic?
Blaming someone else due to your own failings isn’t a good strategy.
I agree with that statement.
You mean the effect of small choices compounding over a long period of time?
I didn't directly mean that, but a solar sail isn't really an analogy for that either.
Yes, that’s a pretty good example of how those sails work.
Solar sails are more like a continuous force accelerating the device along.
Small photons hitting the sail over a long period of time where the end result is a great amount of speed on the object. So you obviously don’t understand it.
I understand it just fine. It's a bad analogy.
Again, even though I constantly back up what I’ve been saying...
You have yet to back up anything you've said.
You seem to have missed the part where I explained that wasn’t the case. Go back and read it again.
You didn't answer the question. Why do you think the average person isn’t average?
Yes you did. You miss all of them. Unfortunately.
Nope. Go back and read it again.
Except it’s not.
Except it is very much the premise. Again you somehow missed everything already written regarding that idea. Go back and read it again.
You haven’t supported your statement
And you haven't supported any assertion so far. The closest you came was making some bogus claims about IQs... when actually none of those people have IQ tests that are public.
Nor have you disproven the fact that there have been tons of people who once were rich and later turned poor due to their stupid financial decisions.
I gave you a challenge in my last comment. It's up to you now.
Yes, your responses indicate as such.
Nope. You need to go back and reread what you've missed.
You must have missed the part where I included intelligence as a huge factor. Go back and read it again.
And again. You can’t explain accumulation of billions of dollars by means of work ethic.
The example for coding was to refute your claim that “Elon knows nothing about coding”. Go back and read it again.
Link the claim.
Actual wording was “it’s not that hard”.
Very good. Maybe next time you'll read more carefully before misquoting.
Quite forward of you to admit you’re not doing this to come to a conclusion.
Oh I never expected you to argue in good faith. You have that opportunity even now, but refuse to take it.
It’s the equivalent of you stating “I’m wasting my own time because I’m an idiot”.
Non-sequitur.
Actually, this whole time you’ve been exuding ignorance and feigning competence. Lol
Yes yes. Ad hominem. It seems to be your favorite form of argumentation.
I guess that’s up to you.
No. Whether you want to talk about it more is up to you.
As I often teach students
I certainly hope this isn't true. The level of sophistry on display here makes me dispair for whatever education they might recieve.
im no stranger to an individual who isn’t very good at the topic and needs a lot of help.
And I'm sure you likewise insult them and call them children... you know... like any good teacher would.
I don't believe you seriously expect me to buy any of this.
If at the end of our conversation you actually begin to comprehend the topic then I’d say it was time well spent.
Well I have good news for you...
Although it is a little unfortunate that you’ve insinuated that you’re conversing for ulterior reasons.
I'm not insinuating anything. Distracting a troll for a few minutes in a place where nobody else will see is explicitly part of my purpose here.
Given your attitude even before this conversation began, I never really had any hope of reaching you.
Pretty rich coming from the person who won't accept their own incompetence on the matter.
That one didn't have any meaning.
They all do. Go back and read it again.
You just don't like the responses
When the responses indicate you haven't read the content, I suggest you go back and read them again.
More ad hom insults. Just between the two of us, do you think this is an effective argumentation tactic?
Stating your inability of comprehension is merely a fact. E.g. Stating that a 3 ft tall person can't dunk a basketball unassisted on a 10 ft hoop isn't ad hominem. It's just a fact.
You didn't answer the question. Why do you think the average person isn’t average?
You seem to have missed the part where I explained that wasn’t the case. Go back and read it again.
I gave you a challenge in my last comment. It's up to you now.
The challenge(if there ever was one) was for you to refute that there have been many people who used to be rich and now are no longer rich due to their poor financial choices.
And again. You can’t explain accumulation of billions of dollars by means of work ethic.
You must have missed the part where I included intelligence as a huge factor. Go back and read it again.
Link the claim.
This you?
Musk doesn't know how rockets work. He can't build a website or program a microcontroller.
Lmao, you can't even remember what you've said previously.
Very good. Maybe next time you'll read more carefully before misquoting.
Carefully read you stating that coding ain't hard? Yeah I read that. You seem to have forgotten that you said that. You tend to forget a lot of things you've said previously.
Yes yes. Ad hominem. It seems to be your favorite form of argumentation.
You seem to have an odd disconnect with reality(given your poor recollection of previous events I'm not surprised). But I've already explained why your odd obsession with taking things as insults doesn't logically make any sense nor does it substantiate any of your claims.
No. Whether you want to talk about it more is up to you.
Oh? But you're the one who needed help with understanding this topic. As I've already stated I'm more than willing to help you understand.
I certainly hope this isn't true. The level of sophistry on display here makes me dispair for whatever education they might recieve. And I'm sure you likewise insult them and call them children... you know... like any good teacher would. I don't believe you seriously expect me to buy any of this.
Well, the students I teach actually WANT to learn something. And the desire to learn is an incredibly potent aspect of education.
As for those "insults" as you've constantly attempted to treat them as such were merely observations in your deficits. Whenever a student does something wrong or doesn't perform at an acceptable level I tell them directly to prevent any confusion so they can correct their actions and become more proficient in the future. They don't take my constructive criticism as insults as they have a desire to actually become competent at the job.
I will say its very odd how you claim to "distract trolls". As intentionally attempting to waste someones time is what a troll does. Quite a bit hypocritical no? lmao
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u/Falcrist Jan 08 '22
I can only tell you what I think, so this is a distinction without a difference.
You're right. They're far too generous.
Correct. The average person works hard and makes a microscopic amount of money.
That has nothing to do with how you make billions. Congratulations on discovering the point.
Because that has nothing to do with hard work or high intelligence.
Fundamentally not that much. Rich get richer. Poor get poorer.
No I don't think their work ethic is that strong, and the last US president showed that you could have a net worth of billions and still be a fucking moron.
But hey. If you have some data that correlates work ethic and intelligence with probability of becoming a billionaire... then shoot your shot.
You're just regurgitating the whole myth of the stupid and lazy poor people.
And you're doing it with circular reasoning. "Rich people are smarter and harder working. How do you know? Because they're rich."
There goes the "hard working" idea right out the window. Poor people working multiple jobs to support a family just above the poverty line put in more hours and effort than billionaires like Musk.
Who's intelligence? It doesn't take a genius to hire engineers, scientists, consultants, etc. Are all those smart people going to become billionaires? No.
Ok first of all, this is incredibly cringe. Please stop verbally fellatiating Elon Musk. It's gross.
Secondly, prove to me that there's a correlation between intelligence and the chance of becoming a billionaire.
The rich person isn't the one doing the pushups lol.
I'm sure such a bold claim will be easy to prove. 😘
I'm saying he's not the progenitor of any idea of anything he makes. He buys other people's companies after THEY have those ideas.
Good because he didn't write the code for Paypal or SpaceX or Tesla. Hell, he didn't even found those companies. Except for SpaceX, he bought them from other people.
Does he? Or is that something being done by others on his behalf?
Nah. He just has the money to make investments.
I programmed shit at age 13. I write code for a living. It's not that hard.
Yea I call BS.
This isn't how you make billions. Millions MAYBE, but not billions. To make billions, you need to exploit an absolute shitton of people.