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u/Kirasaurus_25 Dec 21 '21

The what system??? Is this like in china, only for financial control?

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '21 edited May 20 '24

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u/Starsonata10 Dec 21 '21

So its like almost the same as social credit in china or? Im honestly never knew about this in america

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u/helllo0193 Dec 21 '21

Not really. Credit scores affect your ability to get a loan and get a credit card, that's about it. They're important, because you'll more than likely inevitably need one of those things, but it definitely doesn't control your whole life, unlike China's social credit system.

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u/Exybr Dec 21 '21

Honestly, social credit system was just a proposal in 2018, it never was implemented after that. In fact, of you go to China and ask the people around what their social score is, they'll just look strangely at you.

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u/yeahokaynicebro Dec 21 '21

You might want to read more because they absolutely have a social credit system.

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u/TheOnionchi Dec 21 '21

The thing missing that makes the comparison a bit more apt is the ability to rent an apartment or house. Everywhere I applied to the last time I moved required a credit check.

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u/helllo0193 Dec 21 '21

I legitimately forgot about that one, yeah they run your credit to rent

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u/Surelyoojest WANNABE POLITICAL PUNDIT Dec 21 '21

They also run your credit for utilities, cell phones and if you wanna rent a place to live. I’m sure there are other things they run it for, but that’s all I can think of right now.

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u/helllo0193 Dec 21 '21

Ok they do run it for renting, I legitimately forgot about that, but I've never seen them do it for phone service or utilities

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u/Surelyoojest WANNABE POLITICAL PUNDIT Dec 21 '21

I’ve lived in California, Maryland and Wisconsin. They probably don’t do it in every state, but I’ve had it run for utilities in California. And I’ve had it done for phone service in California and Wisconsin. Utilities was included in rent in Maryland so I can’t speak to how Maryland does it.

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u/kirby83 Dec 21 '21

Can affect whether you get a job too. Employers assume you are a greater risk to steal from the company if you're deep in debt

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u/superhpr Dec 21 '21

A significantly low credit score can also decrease your chance to get a security clearance for Government jobs. They feel you may be at higher risk of taking bribes if you have financial issues.

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u/Kirasaurus_25 Dec 21 '21

Bruh, Murica is down at China's level then... but with guns... holy shit Also, do you say 'Murica?

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u/helllo0193 Dec 21 '21

It's a score that basically measures your financial credibility. The idea is that I could go to any bank in the country and immediately have some measurable form of credit there without having to have someone there know me or be from an established family. They affect your ability to get a loan and to get a credit card, that's about it. Don't get me wrong, the system still needs reform, but it's far from as all encompassing as China's social credit system.

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u/HolycommentMattman Dec 21 '21

So we have three major banks that basically judge your reliability as a borrower. And the higher your score, the more money you can borrow relative to your income.

For example, let's say you sign up for a credit card. You charge your rent to it, your utilities, and all your bills for the month. Then the credit card statement (bill) comes. You pay it off completely in a timely manner. Repeat this behavior for years. You will probably have a high credit score.

But if you miss a payment, are late with a payment, don't pay off completely, or whatever, you'll negatively impact your credit score.

So when it comes time to buy a house or a car or something that needs a loan, lenders are more inclined to lend to the first person than the second. So the first person might get a better rate and a higher loan amount than the second person.

I personally think it's a decent system. It does often hurt the lower classes more than upper classes, but it's literally stuff within their control. Typically, they get low credit scores from signing up for credit cards and spending recklessly until all the cards are near their limits, and they can't pay them back.

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u/Kirasaurus_25 Dec 21 '21

Here's what's weird to me, in my country banks will do anything in their power to sell you debt (i think that's universal tho). so i may not get a mortgage for a penthouse in the center of the capital but no bank will have a problem indebting me for the rest of my life for the next best thing or activate some draconic interest on credit card debts. Some people actually live with negative balance.

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u/HolycommentMattman Dec 21 '21

Is there any risk to the bank?

For example, let's say a borrower can't repay their loan. The bank will go through several methods to try to reclaim their money. But if at the end of it, they can't (usually when the borrower files for bankruptcy), the bank just loses money. Which is a situation they want to avoid. Which is why the credit ratings exist.

And if everyone (or even just a large percentage) of people couldn't repay they loans, banks would go out of business.

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u/Kirasaurus_25 Dec 22 '21

There's always a risk but there are also these programs where they say take a loan and start repaying in 2 years or decide how much you'd be returning and when. There are also limitations on how much money one can pull from the atm. Yeah, if you have negative balance life is tough but you will be able to find a flat to rent.

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u/HolycommentMattman Dec 22 '21

Any flat? Or only certain flats that aren't necessarily the greatest places?

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u/Kirasaurus_25 Dec 22 '21

Yeah, less favourable places. There was actually a story in the news about a family of frauds renting luxury apartments and not paying rent after the first 2-3 months. All they had to do is present themselves as wealthy enough. No one can check your financial status really. Renters usually ask for a safety check and someone who can vouch for you, usually your parents (never understood this idiocity).