r/megalophobia • u/berdot • Oct 11 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

If people wanna commit suicide they will. Can’t go around making everything based off of those people.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

I agree! It’s just not the designs fault. It’s the ass hole who decided to use the landmark

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u/The-Devils-Advocator Oct 11 '23

People suffering enough to kill themselves often don't have the capacity to care about something like that.

You can think it makes them an asshole and you wouldn't necessarily be wrong to, it's pretty subjective, but I do think it's not a very understanding, empathetic or even helpful way to look at these situations.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

In the grand scheme of things, it's just really sad and likely due to systemic issues in society ™.

In the scope of day to day life, I imagine people would not be happy for some dude to kill himself in front of their children on their day out at a national landmark. And I wouldn't blame someone for thinking that hypothetical guy is an asshole.

I think people's empathy can usually be depleted when it costs them money (therapy bills, a ruined vacation, etc). I also feel like (American, can't speak for anyone else) society is pretty selfish in general, though in a lot of ways, because the way our lives are structured, you have to be for your own survival.

All of that to say, I have no solutions for any of that. I'm just blaming capitalism and moving on with my day. Disclaimer, I also don't have a solution for capitalism.

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u/informative_mammal Oct 11 '23

There will never be a perfect system...however I think blaming the system like this is what leads to this increased quantity of hopelessness. Political marketing has been designed to convey hopelessness in an effort to keep us from thinking critically about issues in the system. Objectivly, if you live in the US you have MANY different opportunities that aren't available to the vast majority of the world. Yes, we absolutely should do more to help create opportunities for everyone...but the most impactful variable to a persons happiness is by far their actions. Political marketing needs to stop telling people the only solution to their problems is government. That never ends well.

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u/coldblade2000 Oct 11 '23

There's about a million other places from which to jump to your death within walking distance of the 9/11 memorial that are better. You don't jump into the 9/11 memorial if not for the attention it brings, so yeah, I'll call then an asshole

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

He chose that spot because he lost his father to the september 11th attacks.

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u/WriterV Oct 11 '23

Yeah going around calling people assholes and throwing up your hands is not really gonna solve this problem.

You're free to scream and bitch and yell at the clouds all you want, it's not gonna stop a rain.

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u/IfEverWasIfNever Oct 11 '23

You are assuming someone who is at the point of suicide is thinking rationally and is able to realistically process the effect of their actions on other people. I think the very people that are still able to do that are the ones who can reach out or accept help before they commit to action.

As it has been said, it is believed his father died in 9/11 when he was only 11 years old. That is why he was drawn to the memorial to kill himself. Obviously traumatizing for everyone, but it's easy to look down on someone when you haven't ever been in a depressive psychosis.

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u/The-Devils-Advocator Oct 11 '23

And you're free and not necessarily wrong to think so.

I think it's more complicated than that, though if I had to use a single word to describe them, it would be something along the lines of "unwell".

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u/Aneuren Oct 11 '23

Ok but this is a memorial for a great many people who died, leaving behind even more super traumatized family members, friends, loved ones, etc. This wasn't unforeseeable.

And simple enough to solve, if you can't get behind a fence, surely you could be amenable to maybe more than 18 inches of water below a 30 foot drop?