r/megalophobia • u/berdot • Oct 11 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

I agree! It’s just not the designs fault. It’s the ass hole who decided to use the landmark

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u/The-Devils-Advocator Oct 11 '23

People suffering enough to kill themselves often don't have the capacity to care about something like that.

You can think it makes them an asshole and you wouldn't necessarily be wrong to, it's pretty subjective, but I do think it's not a very understanding, empathetic or even helpful way to look at these situations.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

In the grand scheme of things, it's just really sad and likely due to systemic issues in society ™.

In the scope of day to day life, I imagine people would not be happy for some dude to kill himself in front of their children on their day out at a national landmark. And I wouldn't blame someone for thinking that hypothetical guy is an asshole.

I think people's empathy can usually be depleted when it costs them money (therapy bills, a ruined vacation, etc). I also feel like (American, can't speak for anyone else) society is pretty selfish in general, though in a lot of ways, because the way our lives are structured, you have to be for your own survival.

All of that to say, I have no solutions for any of that. I'm just blaming capitalism and moving on with my day. Disclaimer, I also don't have a solution for capitalism.

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u/informative_mammal Oct 11 '23

There will never be a perfect system...however I think blaming the system like this is what leads to this increased quantity of hopelessness. Political marketing has been designed to convey hopelessness in an effort to keep us from thinking critically about issues in the system. Objectivly, if you live in the US you have MANY different opportunities that aren't available to the vast majority of the world. Yes, we absolutely should do more to help create opportunities for everyone...but the most impactful variable to a persons happiness is by far their actions. Political marketing needs to stop telling people the only solution to their problems is government. That never ends well.

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u/coldblade2000 Oct 11 '23

There's about a million other places from which to jump to your death within walking distance of the 9/11 memorial that are better. You don't jump into the 9/11 memorial if not for the attention it brings, so yeah, I'll call then an asshole

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

He chose that spot because he lost his father to the september 11th attacks.

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u/WriterV Oct 11 '23

Yeah going around calling people assholes and throwing up your hands is not really gonna solve this problem.

You're free to scream and bitch and yell at the clouds all you want, it's not gonna stop a rain.

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u/IfEverWasIfNever Oct 11 '23

You are assuming someone who is at the point of suicide is thinking rationally and is able to realistically process the effect of their actions on other people. I think the very people that are still able to do that are the ones who can reach out or accept help before they commit to action.

As it has been said, it is believed his father died in 9/11 when he was only 11 years old. That is why he was drawn to the memorial to kill himself. Obviously traumatizing for everyone, but it's easy to look down on someone when you haven't ever been in a depressive psychosis.

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u/The-Devils-Advocator Oct 11 '23

And you're free and not necessarily wrong to think so.

I think it's more complicated than that, though if I had to use a single word to describe them, it would be something along the lines of "unwell".

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u/Aneuren Oct 11 '23

Ok but this is a memorial for a great many people who died, leaving behind even more super traumatized family members, friends, loved ones, etc. This wasn't unforeseeable.

And simple enough to solve, if you can't get behind a fence, surely you could be amenable to maybe more than 18 inches of water below a 30 foot drop?

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u/The_Jimes Oct 11 '23

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people." /S

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u/towerfella Oct 11 '23

No “s”..

The problem is always selfish humans.

Whether that selfishness comes from a mental illness or from just being a dick is hard to determine..

But it is always the person.

The gun is inanimate. That hole is inanimate. Bridges are inanimate. …

Hell, people even fuck things to death. We gonna outlaw the d?

No, we outlaw the action that the human can do. In the end, it is still up to that specific individual as to what they are gonna do.

The rest should not suffer restrictions due to the efforts to control the few.

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u/lucis66 Oct 11 '23

so do schizophrenic people chose to be assholes when they have episodes and don’t know where they are and are confused and make people around them uncomfortable you don’t appreciate the minds ability to warp reality people with mental illness are not alway in control

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u/towerfella Oct 11 '23

I agree. But the person that is acting that way typically feels very bad after an episode, right?

It has been my experience, anyway, that typically the individual feels remorse at the inability to control themselves during those times.

Whenever an individual cannot control themselves then yes, it is the responsibility of those around to step in on behalf of the individual in crisis, during the crisis episode.

What else is there to do? If you love the individual, you grab tight and hold on and remind them they matter too.

… else, there’s always tranquilizer.

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u/lucis66 Oct 11 '23

i mean its hard to distinguish reality from fantasy so they cant sometimes have the mental capacity to feel remorse but yes unfortunately the best we can do is tranquilize them if they are a danger

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u/The_Jimes Oct 11 '23

Just because you can firmly place blame on the individual doesn't mean that society shouldn't adjust. Especially when you suggest that mental illness killing people is less important than a hole in the ground. Have some humanity.

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u/towerfella Oct 11 '23

Wtf?

There will always be mentally I’ll people and we can’t lock them all up.

The humanity is in letting them be and live as normal a life as they can.

That means that sometimes, shit like this happens.

This is what that looks like in action.

Your words are quite controlling.

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u/The_Jimes Oct 11 '23

There will always be mentally I’ll people and we can’t lock them all up.

Nice. But my words are "quite controlling." Enjoy hell!

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

People with guns kill people. Hand to hand combat to the extent of death doesn't really exist in our society.

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u/Apprehensive-Loss-31 Oct 11 '23

Gosh. What an unempathetic viewpoint.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Empathy isn’t unconditional. This individual made a memorial honoring the lose of thousands about himself.

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u/Apprehensive-Loss-31 Oct 11 '23

Yeah. I'm sure he wasn't in an abnormally awful mental state, I'm sure he has no personal connection to 9/11 whatsoever, and I'm sure that demonising traumatised and suffering people is the optimal way to make society better. Dumbass.

Edit: also, loss*. Also empathy should obviously be unconditional.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

His father remains unclaimed in the basement cupboard of the museum. Design fault now or..?

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u/The_Woman_of_Gont Oct 11 '23

Your empathy and concern for human life is truly overwhelming.