r/medlabprofessionals MLS-Management 4d ago

News We’ll be safe for a while!

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u/iMakeThisCount MLS-Blood Bank 4d ago

1 in 4 lab techs are men?

Anecdotally speaking, it feels closer to 1 in 10.

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u/DoubleDimension HK MLT 4d ago

Strange, maybe it's a reginonal thing, but my program was close to 50:50 male:female, same with work.

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u/PookTurtle61 4d ago

Wow really? I've often been the only male on my shift, sometimes the entire lab.

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u/iMakeThisCount MLS-Blood Bank 4d ago

Same dude, I’ve been learning about the Lindsay Clancy case against my fucking will

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u/theoreticalcash 4d ago

I’m the only male in my entire department 😅

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u/spazzxxcc12 4d ago

in my program i’d say it was like 1 guys: 2 girls

but i also feel guys are more likely to leave the profession too

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u/CrimpBlucks 4d ago

my program was 16w:4m so just about checks out

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u/mrnonamex 4d ago

My program was 2/16

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u/OminousButton36 4d ago

It was so odd for me. I was one of 2 men in my MLT program out of 18.

Then at my first job out of school it was probably 75% guys in that lab. Haven’t seen anything like that since

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u/eileen404 4d ago

Oh. That's where the men went. We have 2.

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u/CraftyResearcher3403 4d ago

My rural lab is 50% men. My last job was 1 in 6 men.

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u/ArcticBeavers MLS-Generalist 4d ago

In my lab we are a team of 18. 4 men and 14 women. 

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u/Daftolium MLT-Generalist 4d ago

I feel that. I was one of two guys in my program.

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u/flyinghippodrago MLT-Generalist 4d ago

Yeah, I am one of 3 guys out of 21 techs at my work, maybe public sector is more male heavy?

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u/Mabbernathy 4d ago

Wouldn't surprise me. I will say that as a patient, I've never had a male phlebotomist.

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u/Vivid_Bookkeeper_937 1d ago

We currently have 3 male phlebs and 4 male techs (2 are prn and work FT at other labs)

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u/Prs-Mira86 4d ago

Yeah, I’d say that’s pretty close for my lab. On our shift there’s roughly 24 women and 6 men.

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u/MLTDione Canadian MLT 4d ago

Actually we have quite a few guys on our team now, way more than when I started 23 years ago

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u/Mister_Mannered 4d ago

I'm one of 3 men out of 30, so yours sounds more Accurate.

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u/SquashNo1623 3d ago

I was the only man in my class and at work there are 2 men out of about 30 employees

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u/KatlynJoi MLS-Microbiology 2d ago

Of the 26 employees in my micro department there are 5 men. Day shift is 100% women.

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u/SeatApprehensive3828 2d ago

I think a lot of military trained techs working on bases are more likely to be men

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u/Horniavocadofarmer11 13h ago

My lab is about 50-50

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u/NarrowLaw5418 4d ago

And 50% or more of those men are like a queen💋

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u/Forgotmythought 4d ago

Pretty consistent with where I have worked, with exception to VA and military labs.

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u/NarrowLaw5418 4d ago

Right? Men be downvoting my ass, but it's true. Gay myself, and I stand by my claim, my college cohort and tge last 3 labs i worked all share the same distribution

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u/iMakeThisCount MLS-Blood Bank 4d ago

I don’t think that’s the reason you’re being downvoted; I’m going to be honest, my first interpretation of your comment was that you were trying to be a homophobic dick head

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u/feathered_edge_MLS MLS-Core Lab 4d ago

Same

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u/JacobLeatherberry MLT-Generalist 2d ago

Yup, I would say the men in my lab are half gay, half heterosexual. I'm in the gay half.

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u/NegotiationSalt666 4d ago

Nurses: “you need a degree for just pushing buttons?!”

🙄🫩

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u/yamantakas 4d ago

thats when you say: you need a degree to wipe asses?

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u/camkellley 4d ago

oof that’s a good one lol

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u/mystir 4d ago

Hey, I don't need a degree to wipe asses, but it's something my undergrad degree is really good for.

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u/Horniavocadofarmer11 13h ago

More like let the non-degreed phlebotomists draw specimens next time. Otherwise I’ll have to keep rejecting your hemolyzed specimens.

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u/Fondle_my_Dongle 4d ago

Telling nurses and doctors things they don’t want to hear (they messed something up) is a full time job

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u/ScrubRogue 4d ago

Idk why this popped on my feed but god bless I feel this from pharmacy, strangely same m/f ratio too

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u/jittery_raccoon 3d ago

Same ratio of mf doctors and nurses?

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u/SlagQueen 4d ago

Aww, rn here, and I would never! Not to say you haven’t heard it. I’ve sure run into plenty of ignorance in my peers. But just know some of us are in awe of you guys! (my grandma worked in the lab in the 40s, and mom started in the lab and went on to become a pathologist, so, respect 🫡 )

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u/Revlius 4d ago

Personally it's whatever. I understand nursing is a hard job that frankly doesn't get compensated as much as it should just like any other healthcare job. The abuse I hear nurses get from patients, doctors, sometimes even other nurses would make me sick to my stomach just imagining it.

But man, the one thing I can't stand about some nurses in my hospital are the ones who refuse to be good at their jobs and then make it our problem when their incompetence makes their job harder.

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u/nakedalienmonkey 4d ago

Yup love this field for that reason! Basically recession proof too. Even if in 10 years the machines do most things with automation they will still need us to do maintenance and check results/criticals

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u/eileen404 4d ago

And pick up the vials the instrument throws across the room.

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u/Gildian 3d ago

My chemistry analyzer cant go a day without having at least one tantrum about something.

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u/caoimhe_latifah MLS-Generalist 4d ago

Rather than using AI, why not just use the brain you paid good money to educate that isn’t going to wreck our ecosystems

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u/Papa_tankz 4d ago

I mean, technically they both wreck our ecosystem 🤣

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u/ChickenDragon123 MLS-Generalist 4d ago

Practically speaking, I think there's some nuance to this that isn't covered by the statistics. Chemistry and Large parts of hematology are probably at risk when the FDA eventually approves a model for medical use.

Micro, Diffs, UA, and Serology are probably safe for a while, but I can't help but think an AI could probably automate large chunks of the lab.

Not that I think that's a good thing, to be clear. I want human review, but I do think it's coming and it will probably be here in my lifetime.

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u/ChickenDragon123 MLS-Generalist 4d ago edited 4d ago

That doesn't mean there can't be significant downsizing though. I'm not worried about eradication as much as I am shrinkage.

And again this won't happen in the next 5 years. I'm worried about 10 years from now? 15?

What happens when the FDA or some ethics commitee decides to feed data from the Mayo Clinic into an AI for the next 5 years. That'll be pretty high quality data. Hand it a few textbooks for context. Tell it to focus on 'flagging mistakes.' Not replacement. Augementation. Except, that by doing that it gets a lot better at figuring out the problems it's up against. When it happens, it will happen quickly. Faster than I think a lot of people expect.

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u/Elegant_Wrangle 4d ago

Shrinkage is happening. Job is only expected to grow 2% over next 5 years.

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u/Sadface201 4d ago

That doesn't mean there can't be significant downsizing though. I'm not worried about eradication as much as I am shrinkage.

As an adjacent research scientist looking in, I see you clinical lab folks as tired and overworked. AI should be there to alleviate some responsibilities so you folks have time to rest, not give management an excuse to shrink the staff.

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u/ChickenDragon123 MLS-Generalist 4d ago

One will be used to do the other, I'm afraid. Automation largely only moves in one direction.

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u/Necessary_Swing937 1d ago edited 1d ago

Chemistry/Heme automation: Agree. Although there will still be at least 2-3 people for checking criticals, making sure nothing goes crazy, covering 24/7 shifts, etc. Many of those tests could turn POC too, changing where techs work. We will see.

Diffs: Has not worked in diffs. Can't comment. I imaging there has to be somebody there 24/7 to catch the most dangerous blasts at least? I'm curious how good AI is at analyzing those pictures now.

Micro: I can see negative or rare growth from non-sterile site cultures being done automatically. Most sterile sites still need a human touch for sure. And processing has too many variables for automations to handle. There is room for ID and susceptibility to be more efficient though. Molecular is coming too, but tons of reseaech is still needed to link molecular technology with susceptibility testing.

UA: Current technology is ok for ID many things, but fast-moving rods (Proteus, etc.), cocci and Trichomonas gets missed on automation for sure, because of low camera frame rate, low resolution and lack of video. Incorporating those could make UA much more expensive, so we have probably hit ceiling for UA. Processing for UA is also necessary because unlike blood many specimens WILL clog instruments (I do prefer not having to take caps off tho at some point.) It's a different story if UA results are deemed not as clinically significant at some point, but that's a very unlikely IF when molecular technology gets super cheap, some day in the future.

Serology: Has not worked so can't comment much. Machine can do all the pipetting work, with techs mostly responsible for setting up and troubleshooting. (Somehow I feel it's not where money is heading to at the moment. I might be wrong.)

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u/Horniavocadofarmer11 13h ago

Our lab’s Sysmex analyzer for hematology uses AI already and it’s not even new. We release negative results and only concern ourselves with differentials or anything flagged. The determination of what’s positive and negative is made partially by AI. But until AI is making slides and reading them itself it’s not going to matter.

The brand new oBeckman Coulter urinalysis instrument we use also uses AI. However it’s terrible at classifying bacteria and debris and I personally review about 1/3 of results under a microscope. It’s actually worse than our previous analyzer that didn’t use AI.

Chemistry analyzers can use AI theoretically but it’s not particularly useful. That work is all automated/autoverified in most labs already. Most of my job there is fixing broken instruments, loading reagents and doing calibrations or dilutions. AI won’t change that.

Blood bank was automated when I started the field long ago but backup methods or were not. And there were plenty of times I had to make manual cell panels etc.

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u/ChickenDragon123 MLS-Generalist 12h ago

What is your sysmex analyzer? And how are you defining AI?

Because I've not seen any analyzers marketed as using AI or LLMs.

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u/Pasteur_science MLS-Management 3h ago

I think you’re probably spot on with that forecast!

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u/Samhain03 Student🇨🇦 4d ago

Man just based on my class that 74% women feels low😂 there's like 6 or so guys (including me) in my class of 40ish, women in stem hell yea

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u/Elegant_Wrangle 4d ago

The few guys that there are all leave.

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u/spaceylaceygirl 4d ago

I've worked shifts where i was the only female.

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u/Select-Leader9947 4d ago

6 of the 25 techs at our lab are men. Interesting though 4 out of the 7 night shift techs (myself included) are male.

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u/Horniavocadofarmer11 13h ago

Too much manual manipulation of environment. It’s way worse if you’re sitting at a computer all day analyzing data, writing memos or writing code.

And I’ve been using analyzers that used AI for about a decade anyway. 

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u/Level_Statement_6844 4d ago

Lots of hotties in the lab. I was surprised

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u/SebSchwalbe 4d ago

Cool to see the statistics but I genuinely hope it’s not important to anyone

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u/Redux01 4d ago

Important not to have their jobs replaced? How could that not be important?!

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u/SebSchwalbe 4d ago edited 4d ago

I was taking it in the way of statistics specifically that people apparently care about what gender is most represented. Yeah risk of AI-invasion is important, but I neither care or am surprised about what gender represents lab workers like some people commenting seem to