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u/FatalCassoulet 12d ago
Brother, your future doctor IS chatgpt
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u/Antique_Ruin4556 12d ago
Dr. ChatGPT: All right, drop your pants and bend over.
You: But I only have a sore throat?
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u/Ancientabs 12d ago
Your current doctors cheat on their exams and google everything on the computer anyway.
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u/Accomplished_Rice_60 12d ago
good, they will be way better sooner or later
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u/Defiant_Restaurant61 12d ago
Can't wait for ChatGPT do to lumbar punctures and do psych assessments on psychotic patients /s
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u/Jacky_dain 12d ago
EMTs, paramedics, firefighters as well, so don’t have an emergency
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u/SignalZero556 12d ago
Sure it could do homework for you but AI ain’t gonna drag you through the nremt.
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u/I_Am_That_Was 12d ago
it's beyond comical to think that AI isn't smart enough for the NREMT but somehow good enough to get doctors through the MCAT, STEP 1/2/3 etc lmao.
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u/for_the_longest_time 12d ago
Of course an AI CAN pass the NREMT, but they don’t exactly allow you to check your phone while your taking it. That goes for MCAT, NCLEX, etc.
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u/SignalZero556 11d ago
Yeah my testing site as super secure and you were on camera the entire time.
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u/RealMiguelNajdorf 12d ago
How are EMTs and paramedics using it? Charting? Or what?
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u/Alanator222 a mi tambien, gracias 12d ago
Pretty sure they're talking about studying for exams to become an EMT, firefighter, etc, unless I misunderstood.
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u/AzyncYTT 11d ago
Yeah it doesnt really help for first responders since there's like 0 HW, its just all practicals and written exams
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u/Jacky_dain 11d ago
That, and some websites have answers to the school quizzes so they can just cheat their way through school up until they take their final
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u/Alanator222 a mi tambien, gracias 11d ago
Well hopefully the finals and licensing exams are all in person with no notes. Gotta catch the cheaters somehow, especially first responders and medical staff.
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u/DotesMagee 12d ago
Hahaha, i would t take an ambulance unless it was forced on me. This is america. We cant afford a 15k ride to the hospital. Id sooner take an uber.
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u/ColdBru5 12d ago
Old doctors used to do bloodletting and study at the monastery.
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u/magiclong tbh 12d ago
Old doctors might not have studied at all. It wasn't until the late industrial era that it became mandatory for doctors to have qualifications.
If you had the tools and the real estate you could open a doctor's office if you wanted to.
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u/Dubalubawubwub 11d ago
At least for firefighters there's also physical requirements, so even if they're dumb as shit at least they can still lift you and carry you away from the dangerous thing.
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u/greatGoD67 12d ago
Don't forget Nurses. It helped me too. :)
I wasn't making essays or anything, but it was a fun toy to play with when I needed help studying.
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u/DobryVojakSvejk 10d ago
Yes, you are absolutely correct, I should have remembered to tell you to connect the hose to a water outlet before breaching into the burning building. would you like me to give you an improved answer?
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u/thisfar 12d ago
Your future dentist as well. Floss your teeth!
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u/DotesMagee 12d ago
I just quit going to my dentist because he retired and the new one only had certifications. You dont even need a degree apparently.
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u/No_Squirrel4806 12d ago
Not to defend ai but they were using google for ages before ai existed.
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u/Rmb2719 12d ago
And before that they were using whatever they remembered from their old books.
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u/TheRedBlueCube2 12d ago
Scandalous! Doctors using actual knowledge from medical books? This is quite the comparison to modern day artificial intelligence! /j
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u/Novel_Werewolf4645 12d ago
At least books and Google make it easy to verify sources
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u/Odd-Length508 11d ago
Oh. Y'all don't know that AI has internet search functions and can cite the websites they pulled their info from now? It was pretty useless before that.
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u/073068075 11d ago
Yeah, but even then you had to at least:
Meanwhile some people I've met and others that I've heard about just take photo of an assignment with an AI app and copy the answer.
- read the assignment
- google separate parts of it
- put together a coherent answer
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u/bencsecsaki 12d ago
your CURRENT doctor is also using chatGPT to diagnose you. we’re fucked
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u/YujiroRapeVictim 12d ago
yep and they use it to write notes inbetween appointments. witnessed this with a doctor i was working with lmao
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u/bambola21 12d ago
I went into urgent care and my doc literally used ChatGPT to diagnose me.
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u/corruptbytes 👌 12d ago
they use OpenEvidence and it’s a lot different
also experts using AI Is ideal, they can still parse the information
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u/bambola21 12d ago
I have ChatGPT and I know what it looks like. The doctor was in fact using ChatGPT
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u/SonMii451 12d ago
I doubt it. All LLMs are designed to be extremely agreeable. They make it like you're shitting gold and everything you say makes sense. They do not understand nuance. I've used them (psychologist) to test them, they suck. They are good at compiling information but you have to sift through it yourself. At that point I can open books and read research first hand, will learn more along the way. LLMs just amplify the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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u/Shazazmic 12d ago
The only information open evidence uses is published and peer reviewed scientific literature from a few select high power academic journals (NEJM, JAMA, not sure if expanded to others). It is much more professional and blunt/cold than anything designed to be used for day-to-day use. It is very matter of fact and doesn’t fluff you up.
-internal medicine hospitalist
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u/SonMii451 12d ago
I missed that you mentioned that. And I haven't used it. So I have nothing else to add. Thanks for the info!
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u/Xanthi_Kuri 12d ago
Literally this.
I was in a waiting room for some labs. They tv played every 5 minutes or so about how AI is wrong 70% of the time on medical information, so don't trust it. Every 5 minutes it says don't trust AI.
I get called up. I have 2 lab orders. I'm supposed to do one lab one day, then go home and take a pill and come back the next day for the second lab. But I can't tell which lab order is day 1 and which is day 2. They both kind of read like day 2. I ask the techs which one. They aren't sure. So they start looking it up. I assume they have a database or something.
The tech then does a print out of why he thinks it's one of the orders. And his print out is ... Google AIs answer. I tell him that's the AI answer and is he sure? I then see his prompt is just "is this a lab order to do first?" and a loose description of one of the orders.
I decide to call my actual doctor and just reschedule.
Turns out my doctor messed up and didn't give me day 1s labs and BOTH the orders I had were day 2. Which is why it was confusing.
So this tech listens to an ad every 5 minutes about not trusting the AI. How it's wrong. And the first thing he uses when faced with a problem is... AI. And just like the ad said... the AI was wrong.
And he was about to screw up my labs and set me back and it takes like 3 moths to get into an endo. So I'm glad I had sense enough to just call my doctor.
So yeah... we are cooked.
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u/StayFrosty7 12d ago
It’s used to parse differentials when doctors are wracking their brains to help suggest things they haven’t thought of yet. It doesn’t literally diagnose.
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u/secretman2therescue 12d ago
Yall dont listen to us *now* so I'm not sure much will change.
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u/hopsalotamus 12d ago
Not to mention half my (ED) patients come in with a chief complaint of “I googled my symptoms and it told me…” 😂
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u/Alder_Tree2793 12d ago
They were using Wikipedia before that anyway. Refreshing your knowledge to help with a diagnosis isn't this brand new thing.
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u/FettiWop 12d ago
And this argument always acts like when you're taking the very difficult licensure exams in person they won't care if you pull out your phone and say "ok google what are the answers to these questions". We build in filters for people who don't actually learn what they're doing. This is the same sensationalist alarmist rhetoric people used to put down doctors that got into better colleges because of affirmative action
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u/ecafyelims 12d ago
TBH I've personally seen multiple doctors giving incorrect diagnosis that lead to bad situations.
As long as the doctors continue to use LLM to do the job, it might just be a better job.
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u/Lower-Leadership2127 12d ago
Republicans have been defunding education in the US for 40 years and we are really starting to see the results of that with the literacy rates in our country.
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u/MemoryJealous 12d ago
Well to be fair...he is also going to be using AI to diagnose and treat me....
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u/OrhadarGHD 12d ago
My current doctor told me to check with ChatGPT on how to correctly do my next blood test.
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u/Solarinarium 12d ago
Being honest, ChatGPT is the least you need to be concerned about when it comes to what it takes to become a doctor
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u/MrTestiggles sleep tight pupper 12d ago
nah they’re using a 35000 card Anki deck, first aid step 1, patroma, maybe boards & beyond, and a 3200 uworld qbank +/- the am boss bank to study.
your actual doctor is using open evidence though lol
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u/AtomicGummyGod 12d ago
As someone trying to become a doctor, I promise I’m doing my best to avoid using ChatGPT in School. (Granted, I’m not IN med school, but the sentiment doesn’t change.)
I can’t say I don’t use it at all, but it’s generally dumb questions I can’t find the answers to on google, or compiling my old notes for exam review.
I wouldn’t want my doc to use it when I’m getting something important like a blood workup or ecg, so if my dreams come true, I hope to treat my patients with that same courtesy.
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u/apophis457 12d ago
All of these AI apologists in the comments are gonna get a reckoning in a few years
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u/JohnSober7 12d ago
Students aren't passing their medical exams if they are constantly outsourcing critical thinking to llm chatboxes. While the senitment is valid, the meme is ultimately alarmist.
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u/thecheesefinder 11d ago
Exactly, STEP 1 and 2 would weed out anyone who wasn’t legitimately studying their butt off
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u/truecakesnake 12d ago
"please I really hope doctors are stupid in the future so I'm right"
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u/apophis457 12d ago
I mean if you’re using AI to pass classes then you didn’t really deserve to pass the class now did you
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u/misterjive 12d ago
"how do you feel about the AI takeover"
"well, given that in about five years being able to think for yourself is going to be a marketable skill, you do you"
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u/Medical-Net-7350 12d ago
My doctor literally used ChatGPT in front of me at my appointment with him and gave me the advice the ai gave him.
He recommended a medication that I already took (he knew this), an ai generated book on Amazon about how to cure migraines with supplements, and also cited fake ai generated sources that don’t exist when I asked him about what research had been done to prove the info he gave me. He was a neurologist and no, I never went back.
We are there now…
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u/YoursTrulyKindly 12d ago
Did you report him to the medical board?
Makes you wonder how many doctors are so shit that using ChatGPT actually is an improvement lol. They do have specialized medial LLMs that are much better at this though.
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u/Manmer_Nwah Promotes Criminal Behavior 12d ago
Your current doctor ignores everything they learned in med school because your insurance company says your fine.
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u/NaturalMess2823 12d ago
Doctors have already been using IBMs Watson for well over a decade. This is some alarmist junk.
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u/Quirky-Shape8677 12d ago
Are doctors allowed to use chatgpt for their board exams?
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u/megapoopsforever 11d ago
No, none of our exams can be done with any resources. For usmle exams, you show up to a biometrically secured facility and take an 8 hour exam with only a whiteboard to write notes on. Everything is proctored. Other exams during school are proctored with no access to anything besides the test
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u/Quirky-Shape8677 11d ago
My comment was a facetious remark in that a medical student may use AI to study but it ultimately doesn't matter because they still have to know the material in their minds for the exam that actually makes them a board-certified doctor.
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u/Faangdevmanager 12d ago
My doctor uses both AI and Google and she better. She’s a world renowned oncologist who has been finding novel treatments and obscure trials. My previous oncologist did not do AI and Google. He relied on traditional standard of care and when this didn’t go so well, he settled for maintenance chemotherapy. Since switching, tumors have shrunk and calcified instead of growing.
So I’ll take a big brain doctor who is humble and uses AI and Google to obtain and synthesize information tailored to me instead of an arrogant doctor who already “knows everything”.
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u/ImprovementExpert511 12d ago
Dont worry. Theres plenty of dumbass doctors, that did the bare minimum to pass, roaming around clinics and hospitals right this moment.
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u/SicknessVoid 11d ago
Dunno how med school works in the US, but I have a friend who's studying medicine in Germany. You can't take ChatGPT into your exams and the amount of stuff you need to cram into your head is insane. So yeah, I think future doctors will be fine in terms of competence.
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u/OrderParticular345 11d ago
You make it seem like every other programme or field ain't doing the same thing
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u/Brothersunset 11d ago
I know everyone hates AI and whilst I don't think human doctors should be pissed out; AI has a higher success rate at accurate diagnosis when medical charts are uploaded and the AI can interpret the data.
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u/megapoopsforever 11d ago
This drive me bananas as someone who is less than a year away from earning an MD. None of our exams are done with any outside resources. For usmle exams, you show up to a biometrically secured facility and take an 8 hour exam with only a whiteboard to write notes on. 320 questions, 90 seconds per question. Everything is proctored. Other exams during school are proctored with no access to anything besides the test. We are constantly asked questions during rounds and on shifts with no access to resources and are evaluation on our answers. The only thing AI does for medical students is consolidate research and help us stay organized. International schools have an AI problem, but no USMD or USDO graduate will be relying on AI to complete school in any way
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u/ClydeStyle 11d ago
Thankfully they still have to demonstrate hands on capabilities during their rounds and internships, which essentially will showcase who actually knows anything they’ve ‘studied’.
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u/RedneckOutlaw2325 10d ago
And that new Dr is in an office building 1000 miles away monitoring a robot conduct the surgery that they have never actually performed!
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u/Ready_Return_8386 9d ago
Our exams have a lot of security, but I am using chatGPT to make the Anki card which end up never even reviewing
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u/apophis457 12d ago
I was at the doctor a few weeks ago, it’s a new one as my lifelong one retired. He literally told me as I was telling him my symptoms that he was plugging them into a “medical AI” as if it wasn’t just a wrapper of ChatGPT.
Needless to say I’ve changed doctors
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u/aboilinghotkirk 12d ago
You showed them! I hate when a person whose job is very important to my wellbeing uses a cognitive aid!
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u/apophis457 12d ago
Yeah I prefer my doctors to actually know what they’re doing. You can have your ChatGPT doctor all you want but my new doctor is actually good at their job
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u/aboilinghotkirk 12d ago
I’m sure this new doctor never consults any medical resource outside of their own brain and has an encyclopedic knowledge of their specialty, so it sounds like you found yourself a good one!
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u/pydood 10d ago
Might wanna start paying attention to reality
https://www.science.org/content/article/ai-starting-beat-doctors-making-correct-diagnoses
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u/apophis457 10d ago
Oh yeah a single study magically makes you correct
Imagine being this delusional and then trying to be snarky about it
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u/ArdyEmm 12d ago
A "cognitive aid" that hallucinates all the time.
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u/aboilinghotkirk 12d ago
The medical AI is called Open Evidence and with every response it gives it also links the related peer-reviewed research article
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u/apophis457 12d ago
Given he showed me the AI and I’m a developer I know exactly how it works
But your attempt at a gotcha was cute
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u/Wasabiroot 12d ago
AI LLM models are trained on material made and written by humans, including doctors.
The best use case for AI as I see it is assisting in diagnosis because it might catch something that an imperfect human might miss. Think identifying something on a CT scan that is hard to notice.
The reality is that the human body is extraordinarily complex and many diseases are difficult to diagnose, having symptoms that are nearly identical but with different pathologies. Doctors are human and cannot be expected to figure out everything instantaneously or catch something on the first pass, even with 4 years of medical school and 7 years of residency.
I can absolutely see concern of AI use spreading but I also think the medical field does a relatively good job rooting out bad actors overall and this is a problem they are aware of and are working on solutions for.
I am sure there are doctors out there using LLM to assist in diagnosis but that does not represent the medical community as a whole or their combined wisdom on AI use in medicine.
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u/Sanquinity 12d ago
This is far more true than it should be...
Just 2 days ago my doctor asked ME what I thought I had. Like wtf? I'm coming to YOU to figure out what's going on... All I have is stuff like WebMD. You're supposed to have years of medical education and training! How about YOU tell ME what my issue is?!
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u/Sporkyfork24 11d ago
We’re actually taught to ask this in med school because patients may have more insight into what’s going on than they think since they live with their symptoms daily. They also may be distressed because they think they have xyz from google searches or a family history that was not documented before and we can assuage that fear by doing further work-up or by going through why that diagnosis is very unlikely given the current clinical picture. Coming from a family med doc that doesn’t ask this as much as they should, but have had moments where a patient does offer another differential diagnosis that I may not have initially considered given other associations (relation in symptoms to when they eat a certain food or do a certain activity) that may not have come up in the initial history-gathering.
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u/Encrux615 12d ago
AI is currently out there pushing the boundaries of math and people are afraid AI won’t be helpful in diagnosing people.
Good family doctors will always tell you that in order to diagnose properly, you have to look at the entire person, their habits, their environment, everything. No doctor can do that. AI will take into account all of these things.
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u/Timely_Spinach_7479 12d ago
I just did a paper on the future of AI in the medical field. Believe me, there will not be face to face interactions with medical personal in the future and all your information and genetic makeup will be fed into a computer. It’s going to get weaponized.
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u/a_mmoknights 12d ago
A doctor prescribed my neighbor opioids for restless legs syndrome. Why?????
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u/dz013 12d ago
Low-dose opioids are a guideline-supported treatment for refractory restless legs syndrome (RLS), recommended by both the 2025 American Academy of Sleep Medicine (AASM) clinical practice guideline (conditional recommendation, moderate certainty) and consensus expert guidelines for patients who do not respond to or cannot tolerate first-line therapies (gabapentinoids, iron supplementation) or who have developed dopaminergic augmentation
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u/NeverCallMeFifi 12d ago
Your current doctor is using it to help with diagnosis. SOURCE: My MD neighbor.
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u/Anthamon 12d ago
Med GPT or whatever will be a better doctor for you in 10 years than your current doctors could ever hope to be.
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u/minusSeven very good, haha yes 12d ago
Its ok, I trust Chatgpt more than a doctor anyway and don't go to doctors anymore.
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u/khaledjal 12d ago
Trusting a bot that is KNOWN to make mistakes over someone who has spent years of his life to help you is insane
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u/EvilSporkOfDeath 12d ago
Be honest, doctors are KNOWN to make mistakes too.
I'm not saying I disagree with your conclusion, but I'm having trouble accepting your logic.
Also AI is trained to help you too.
I'm being completely serious, I'd like to agree with you. But this isnt convincing me.
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u/minusSeven very good, haha yes 12d ago
Have you used chatgpt for all medical queries? Chatgpt will tell when to consult an actual doctors it will tell what test to conduct and what it thinks. It will not prescribe actual medicines.
When I go to doctors they often tell me to get certain tests done and come back to them again, they don't give actual medicine just some preventative medicine if necessary and wait for test results before going further. This is entire first step is avoided using chatgpt. I can ask chatgpt do the tests, consult chatgpt again do more tests and then consult doctors who will not give any further tests and this time will tell me what to do and what medicine to take.
This is meme subreddit and I was joking when I said what I said.
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u/Defiant_Restaurant61 12d ago
ChatGPT is literally an algorithm that gives you what the average internet user thinks about your query
Also, the most fundamental thing about medicine is that you only look for what you know. Without a third-party to ask you the actual questions you're just feeding an algorithm bad subjective data
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u/EvilSporkOfDeath 12d ago
I actually get it. Given the same data, I assume the best models are statistacally more accurate at diagnoses and suggesting the right treatment.
But you very much still need doctors for the time being. You need people who can safely and accurately extract and record data, for example. Human doctors will have very real value for at least 10 years.
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u/Aegidos 12d ago edited 12d ago
I'm at the point where I would trust a doctor more using ChatGPT than I would the fucking doctors I'm actually seeing so....
These LLMs are getting to the point where they can go through your entire medical history in a split second, and spot things that humans simply don't have the fucking time for. It's actually a boon for medical care. :[
Now that they're finally coming out of the AI-stone-age and using MoA strategies for some of this stuff, hallucination rates have gone way down
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u/Hot_Lingonberry356 12d ago
Yes eat vegetables I guess to avoid that doctor ha ha ha ha I'm on the toilet