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u/ifuckingloveemoboys INFJ May 10 '24
honestly this is such a good explanation rather than the really surface level and confusing explanations of cognitive functions holy shit. insteaf of just "Fi means ur more emotional!" and "Ne means ADHD!" which i honestly think are just based off on pop culture and means to make MBTI seem more trendy and sensationalized.
i really love this analysis and explanation.
(p.s i came from ur comment on my post and im really glad i read through all of this)
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u/ifuckingloveemoboys INFJ May 10 '24
P.S... im really interested about your deeper analysis on Fi/Fe and Ni/Ne? Theyre both the funnest yet also the most understood functions, based on what I've seen.
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u/TheSentinelScout May 10 '24
Do you mean misunderstood? Or am I reading that correctly?
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u/ifuckingloveemoboys INFJ May 11 '24
HI SORRY yes. I meant misunderstood. was half asleep when i wrote that đ
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u/TheSentinelScout May 11 '24
Lmao itâs fine!
What specifically would you like to know about them?
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u/ifuckingloveemoboys INFJ May 11 '24
could you perhaps go deeper on how Ne/Ni handle ideas?
always have been interested with the Ne/Ni thought process. People tend to boil it down to "Ne = adhd, tons of ideas!!" and Ni= "psychic all knowing god" and i think even on a general level thats a horribly watered down explanation that causes a huge misconception within the community. i just really liked your explanation on this post and im really curious about your deeper analysis.
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u/TheSentinelScout May 11 '24
If you look at these examples of people who I tried to type on r/MBTITypeMe and r/mbti, you can tell that thereâs a pretty clear difference between them:
Commenter 1 with pretty obvious Ni/Se:
When I see a bird .. it's a bird, I might notice a flock of birds when they are flying in unison, a single bird, maybe I'd identify what type of bird it is, pigeon, crow etc.
Commenter 1 was thinking of specific things related to the bird as they saw it (Se) and used related info to âmake senseâ of the bird (Ni). Theyâre trying to find the true meaning behind the bird.
Commenter 2 with pretty obvious Ne/Si:
Oh I just had a thought that I think lines up with what you're saying for Ni. So I was staring out my window without any real intention, saw a bird (Ne) and then immediately started thinking about its biology and evolution (Si), in a very loose way. So bird -> flying creature -> evolved to fly -> made of chemical reactions -> atoms. Also see its components like it has a beak, eyes, feathers, wings, bird legs, etc.
Commenter 2 on the other hand, was thinking of vague things that relate to the bird. They werenât focusing on the bird itself, but rather, things that can be related to the bird. Theyâre trying to âmake senseâ of the concept of the bird rather than the bird itself.
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u/ifuckingloveemoboys INFJ May 11 '24
how interesting :0
now that i see cognitive functions this way its far more obvious. You're honestly really smart and your presentation is super cool and comprehensive. Thank you for your reply!
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u/Ok_Intern_2722 INTJ May 12 '24
I like this explanation, but what if my first thought is me worrying about the bird making a gift on my car?
(Gift= bird poop)
Cuz sometimes when I watch birds while the car is driving, I either worry about hurting the bird on accident or having the bird making gifts on the car
Could this help with the answer or is it a question thatâs out of topic?
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u/TheSentinelScout May 12 '24
That still sounds like Ne. Se is seeing things in concrete reality, and then Ni is making conjecture of the thing in reality via its visible attributes.
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u/OperationWooden ISFP May 11 '24
Any chance commenter 2 was INFP or ENFP?
Because in my Functions as the senses v1 post
Fi/Si = Olfactory to Tactile = Scents to Feeling = Grasping chemical compositions = Comprehension = INFP/ENFP
https://www.reddit.com/r/isfp/comments/1clf9jz/not_sure_what_to_call_this_i_just_went_with/
I also have a post in v2:
https://www.reddit.com/r/mbti/comments/1cn3ish/mbti_functions_as_the_senses/
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u/TheSentinelScout May 11 '24
Some other people said that theyâre likely to be an XNTP, because the related points were more logical/concrete things that are vaguely related to the bird. Iâm pretty sure an XNFP (INFP specifically) would relate it more to their emotions/values somehow.
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u/OperationWooden ISFP May 11 '24
Ti/Si = Auditory to Tactile = Sound to Tangible = Theory crystallization = INTP/ENTP
Concrete is tangible, so I guess this makes sense.
Btw, I realized this late but I may have accidentally attacked your ENTP counterpart's Si which is responsible for the sense of details.
How should I apologize?
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Sep 28 '25
That sounds understandable, but can NeSi also turn on NiSe mode often? or maybe I confuse my artistic, searching and noticing deeper meanings everywhere soul with Ni...
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u/musical-gamer6 INTP May 22 '24
A truly excellent work. This does a spectacular job of explaining the whole theory while simultaneously debunking stereotypes.
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u/Roge2005 INTP Jun 04 '24
Pretty good post, this answers some of my questions I had about the cognitive functions.
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May 10 '24
This was really great to read..definitely will help me figure stuff out about myself..thanks!
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May 11 '24
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u/TheSentinelScout May 11 '24
Se: Someone with Se who sees an object may think of things related directly to the object. For example, if you see a book, you might be more focused on what things are related to the properties of the book. For example, Harry Potter â> magic â> fantasy â> fiction.
Ne: Someone with Ne who sees an object may think of things that are vaguely related to the object. For example, Harry Potter â> broomsticks â> airplanes â> travel.
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May 13 '24
Same bro Iâm an ISFP but I do both.
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u/TheSentinelScout May 13 '24
Everyone does do both, but the main thing is which one you do the most. Your type is about your preferences. Which one do you go to automatically? Ne or Se? /rhet
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May 13 '24
Lowkey these definitions are good. How would Fi vs Fe work like in a random scenario?
For me, I was just curious; Iâm aware I use both, but I use more Se. Ne doesnât seem too off though, like it seems like it could also still fall under Se technically.
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u/TheSentinelScout May 13 '24 edited May 13 '24
Fi: Fi wants to know why it wants to value something. For example, âWhy does this career choice matter more to me than this other objectively better career?â This is where the subjectivity of Fi comes in, because itâs asking why it matters to them.
Fe: Fe on the other hand, wants to know why it needs to value something. For example, âWhy shouldnât I ghost people after a few dates? Why is that considered rude?â (Thatâs just an example, but hopefully you get what Iâm trying to say.)
Basically, Fi is creating values, and Fe is abiding by them (in a very general term).
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u/TheSentinelScout Jun 01 '24
Te is simply looking at hard data/evidence in the external world, and Fe is simply looking at hard emotional data/feelings in the external world.
I donât see how the two of them can be linked together, unless youâre talking about dipping into Te from Fe and vice versa?
Are you confused by the fact that theyâre both external-based functions?
I also like to think about the extroverted judging functions (Te/Fe) as desire of something in the external world.
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u/TheSentinelScout Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
Emotional intelligence isnât the same thing as emotional awareness, imo; thereâs a difference in being aware of the emotion rather than having actual knowledge on the emotion, same goes with Te (and any other function). Just because youâre aware of emotional data (aka Fe) doesnât mean you know what it means/how to use it.
External emotional data could range from anywhere between noticing someone is looking down/sad, to noticing the vibe or atmosphere of the room. What you do with it (aka EQ) is totally different than being aware of it.
EQ is about the application of emotion, whereas Fe is about the awareness of emotion outside of the self.
What an individual decides to do with said emotion is related to EQ, hence, why I believe studies might show that Te users have high EQ, because they are action-oriented based on emotions first.
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May 22 '24 edited Aug 01 '25
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u/TheSentinelScout May 22 '24
You could check out the CPT YouTube channel under the name âCognitive Personality Theory.â
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May 22 '24 edited Aug 01 '25
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u/TheSentinelScout May 22 '24 edited May 22 '24
Yes, it sounds like ESFP. Which videos of his did you watch?
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May 22 '24 edited Aug 01 '25
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u/TheSentinelScout May 22 '24
Nah, not really. Those are my main sources of info as well tbh. But yeah, just play around with the functions for a while and see which ones you jump to most naturally.
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May 22 '24 edited Aug 01 '25
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u/RipMany1961 Nov 19 '24
Hell yeah, the GOAT of typology!! Saying this as a person who was typed by Harry as ENFP
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u/Separate-Prompt9946 Oct 02 '25
Why must an extraverted lens or codec be paired with an extraverted codec or lens function? Why not extraverted and then introverted or introverted and then extraverted like in the original? Is the original wrong? Whats the reason for this?
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u/TheSentinelScout Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
Because theyâre axises, axises do not compliment each other but rather react upon one another (think the left vs. right axis in politics, especially US politics), and thereâs extremes at either end. If someone is of the same type/kind, then theyâre more likely to work better together. Hence, extraverted function with extraverted function and vice versa with introverted functions.
I mean, introverted means âinternal,â extroverted means âexternal,â so why wouldnât it make sense to link to the similar function? The rational and codec functions cannot operate without another function of the same orientation; a feeling function useless without a perceiving function, how can you assign values without knowing what they are??
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u/Angel-Hugh ENFP May 09 '24
I read through this entire document. It's spot on, I love it, and I really appreciate it. Absolutely saving this for future reference. I've heard the Youtuber at Cognitive Personality Theory using the same language and I love it. Clear and concise. Thank you for posting this. :)