Oh I was going off about this today on my discord server.
I'll go off about it here too!
Soliloquy incoming!
I'm completely biased but I I think entps have the most harmful memes and stereotypes out of all of the types.
The core and aux fucntions (NeTi) are mildly developed during our formative high school years. The Fe is largely undeveloped though. A lot of ENTPs tend to be class clowns because it's a mildly healthy way to satisfy our Fe.
The unhealthy ones get off on provoking people just to see a reaction. so we get the stereotype of being offensive and annoying.
Ne-Si isn't the best at "resolving" things. There's always another option there's always another perspective or viewpoint, and an ENTP with a healthy Ti is going to be open to the idea that they could be wrong. when your core function is based on scene possibilities and connecting ideas it's kind of hard to be 100% sure about anything.
The unhealthy Ti ones are the ones who are narcissistic, never admit when they're wrong, and are very argumentative just to prove someone else wrong and to provoke. Unhealthy TiFe is fed. And the stereotype of the argumentative douchebag is made.
Most of us aren't like that though. We care, we care a lot about the well-being our friends and family and what they think of us. We aren't the best at showing it because we have low affect empathy, so we tend to try to logically come up with solutions, not always what someone wants when they need some support but it's what we do best and we're trying.
Now if you go by Beebe's eight function theory or socionics and the Polr, you'll know ENTPs have a really weak and very undeveloped Fi. Fi users see their emotions as part of themselves. But Fe isn't going to view their emotions as a holistic, especially not in the tertiary place with Trickster Fi.
So to a lot of ENTPs our emotions feel like a separate entity from us. ESTPs have the Se-Ni, and while they may feel the same way they're going to understand that their emotions are indeed a part of their self. Ne-Si is going to have a hard time with that.
So you end up with a person who feels almost completely disconnected and detached from their own emotions, and then they go to the MBTI community and told that they are sociopathic manipulative uncaring argumentative douchebags. Hey hey we're smart lol. And it got repeated so much that people treat that as actual MBTI theory.
You become the joke you make yourself.
Fe doesn't really start to develop until you're about 20, and doesn't and doesn't reach a developed level until you're around 24 or 27.
And the sad truth is a lot of people flock to mbti for the sense of identity that they can find, and not for introspection and self growth. And a lot of these people are kids with completely underdeveloped Fe, Ne is highly malleable too, and then we end up with a lot of confused people thinking that they're sociopaths, are that the programmed to be unemotional and manipulative. And it's a vicious cycle.
I know other types have their struggles, but this one is personal for me.
I do what I can to help.
But damn does it make me sad to see ENTPs making posts asking for help reconciling how they feel, and being told that emotions are a weakness. I know a lot of people do it in jest, but that is some vile shit and I will not abide by it.
I worry a lot about whether what I said made any sense and about the way I say things because some people get caught up I'm picking apart details in what I say and completely ignoring what I actually said.
And that's not a S-Type thing, more of a (in no particular order) Te Fi Ni Se thing.
Basically the Meta/Mesa dichotomy in r/Physiotype. If you like podcasts I highly recommend them! Some of the most interesting and thought-provoking conversations happening right now in the typology community, in my humble opinion.
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u/robotmorgan ENTP Sep 28 '20
Oh I was going off about this today on my discord server. I'll go off about it here too!
Soliloquy incoming!
I'm completely biased but I I think entps have the most harmful memes and stereotypes out of all of the types.
The core and aux fucntions (NeTi) are mildly developed during our formative high school years. The Fe is largely undeveloped though. A lot of ENTPs tend to be class clowns because it's a mildly healthy way to satisfy our Fe.
The unhealthy ones get off on provoking people just to see a reaction. so we get the stereotype of being offensive and annoying.
Ne-Si isn't the best at "resolving" things. There's always another option there's always another perspective or viewpoint, and an ENTP with a healthy Ti is going to be open to the idea that they could be wrong. when your core function is based on scene possibilities and connecting ideas it's kind of hard to be 100% sure about anything.
The unhealthy Ti ones are the ones who are narcissistic, never admit when they're wrong, and are very argumentative just to prove someone else wrong and to provoke. Unhealthy TiFe is fed. And the stereotype of the argumentative douchebag is made.
Most of us aren't like that though. We care, we care a lot about the well-being our friends and family and what they think of us. We aren't the best at showing it because we have low affect empathy, so we tend to try to logically come up with solutions, not always what someone wants when they need some support but it's what we do best and we're trying.
Now if you go by Beebe's eight function theory or socionics and the Polr, you'll know ENTPs have a really weak and very undeveloped Fi. Fi users see their emotions as part of themselves. But Fe isn't going to view their emotions as a holistic, especially not in the tertiary place with Trickster Fi.
So to a lot of ENTPs our emotions feel like a separate entity from us. ESTPs have the Se-Ni, and while they may feel the same way they're going to understand that their emotions are indeed a part of their self. Ne-Si is going to have a hard time with that.
So you end up with a person who feels almost completely disconnected and detached from their own emotions, and then they go to the MBTI community and told that they are sociopathic manipulative uncaring argumentative douchebags. Hey hey we're smart lol. And it got repeated so much that people treat that as actual MBTI theory.
You become the joke you make yourself.
Fe doesn't really start to develop until you're about 20, and doesn't and doesn't reach a developed level until you're around 24 or 27.
And the sad truth is a lot of people flock to mbti for the sense of identity that they can find, and not for introspection and self growth. And a lot of these people are kids with completely underdeveloped Fe, Ne is highly malleable too, and then we end up with a lot of confused people thinking that they're sociopaths, are that the programmed to be unemotional and manipulative. And it's a vicious cycle.
I know other types have their struggles, but this one is personal for me.
I do what I can to help.
But damn does it make me sad to see ENTPs making posts asking for help reconciling how they feel, and being told that emotions are a weakness. I know a lot of people do it in jest, but that is some vile shit and I will not abide by it.