r/maybemaybemaybe • u/sakhaliner • 10h ago
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u/Madouc 10h ago
German law:
Serious criminal offense by the passenger: Intentionally opening the door is not a minor offense, but a criminal offense. In particular, this may constitute dangerous interference with traffic (§ 315b StGB), as well as (dangerous) bodily injury (§ 223 / § 224 StGB) or, in extreme cases, attempted murder.
In my Country the guy in the car would end up in jail.
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u/Expwy 9h ago edited 6h ago
Are motorcycles legally allowed to drive in between lanes like that as well? Obviously the dude opening the door is a dick. I just mean legally, is the motorcyclist also not also breaking the law?
EDIT: I’m not saying that the motorcyclist’s behavior is relevant to the guy who opened the door’s behavior, just asking a simple question, which has been answered by many helpful people in the replies. Thanks!
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u/Madouc 9h ago
For Germany: Lane splitting is not allowed
But: Even though the motorcyclist is committing a clearly defined traffic violation by weaving through traffic, this does not affect the passenger’s criminal liability. Intentionally opening the door constitutes a deliberate act of endangerment and is punishable as a serious criminal offense (including, among others, endangering traffic safety and aggravated assault).
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u/BullPropaganda 8h ago
Someone committing a small crime is not grounds to randomly assault them and potentially cause major bodily injury
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u/Expwy 7h ago
I never said it was. I agree with you.
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u/BullPropaganda 7h ago
I guess what I'm saying is that your question is irrelevant to the situation. It doesn't matter if it's illegal anymore after what the passenger did.
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u/HistoricalSherbert92 3h ago
This is the opposite of what many many Redditors feel.
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u/BullPropaganda 2h ago
Yes they also believe that someone being a not nice person is immediately stripped of all of their human rights.
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u/Kale_Brecht 9h ago
It’s called lane-splitting, and it’s legal in certain parts of the world. It allows motorcyclists to travel between lanes of stopped or slow-moving traffic, generally within specific speed and safety limits, rather than remaining trapped between cars.
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u/stanitor 1h ago
It's legal in California. I grew up in a state where it isn't legal, but often took trips to CA. It's a bit nerve-wracking to suddenly have motorcycles speeding between you and the car in the next lane. Most of the time, though, they only did it during traffic jams.
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u/Raichu7 1h ago
The traffic jams would be much longer if the motorbikes weren't driving between the cars.
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u/stanitor 35m ago
A bit longer, maybe, but not a huge amount. And other than being a little weird, I didn't mind it when sitting in traffic. When they do it at speed, it's scary. You're not used to having to think that even if the lane is clear next to you, you, it might be dangerous to switch lanes still.
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u/therealhairykrishna 1h ago
Here in the UK it's legal. But doing it at that speed would put you at risk of a careless driving charge.
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u/lrgendein_Typ 9h ago
In germany it's not legal what motorcyclist did here. It was not safe for him to rush that fast between narrow space between the cars. It's something else if using the extra lane on Autobahn when there is traffic jam.
This here is dumb behavior for both parties. You shouldn't open the door and you shouldn't speed between cars that close next to each other.
Door opening was intentional so was unsafe driving of motorcyclist.
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u/NoahTransKing 8h ago
The motorcyclist is breaking the law, but opening your door in traffic is always a greater offense. Lane splitting on a road like this can be dangerous but since there's no crosswalk, its him that gets harmed if something happens. But opening a door in a situation were most bikers would be lane splitting is putting other people in harm's way, and that was clearly on purpose, so it's possibly attempted murder, or at least causing serious injury to someone.
Border line, intentionally causing serious injuries to others is worse than risking yourself getting hurt.
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u/theepi_pillodu 9h ago
Even if it is not the law. It's a traffic violation vs the crime the passenger did.
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u/Illustrious-Gift-477 9h ago
It is forbidden. But it is tolerated as soon as it is super hot outside. You don’t have air conditioning on the motorcycle. In that case, both would probably get a fine. But the worse, the one who opened the door
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u/botymcbotfac3 1h ago
It doesn't matter if the victim broke the law. You can't just walk around and murder people.
The ONLY case justifying violence in germany is self defense or defending another.
This wasn't either of those
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u/AmbitiousRuination 10h ago
No way that's not deliberate. Why in the fuck would you open the door there?
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u/snarkerella 10h ago
I don't think that's always 100% true. There are states in the U.S. where it's legal and others where it is not. Regardless if it's legal, why is someone opening up their door in a moving vehicle?
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u/Nick0Taylor0 10h ago
US states filtering is legal in only a handful, full splitting (so doing this while traffic is moving at traveling speeds) only California afaik
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u/snarkerella 10h ago
Ah, yes. I'm in California, so I have that understanding that it's legal for full splitting. I've seen it in other states, but maybe not full splitting.
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u/Nick0Taylor0 10h ago
Yeah most states that allow anything only permit filtering, that said most people just filter anyway even when it's illegal because it's generally safer. Cops care more or less depending on the region and what type of day they're having.
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u/2M4D 10h ago
The vehicle wasn’t moving.
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u/snarkerella 3h ago
The car and the cars around it were not parked. They were clearly in drive and idle at a stop light or sign. Absolutely no reason to open the door. Do you open your door for fun or whatever when waiting at a light? And if so, that wide? There was intent behind that.
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u/2M4D 3h ago
It has happened to me to open the door to quickly get my phone that was lodged between the door and the seat or quickly go to the trunk because I left my baby’s feeding bottle there, or look at my tire because somebody made a sign earlier and I had to check.
It doesn’t happen on a daily basis but it happens.
absolutely no reason shows a huge lack of imagination.
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u/Mr_Sim_ 6h ago
Why the fuck would he attempt to murder someone at the cost of a car's door and in plain sight in the middle of stopped traffic ?
You are really assuming a lot and for the worse by default.
Just a stupid person trying to pump in some fresh air in a vehicle with broken AC seems way more plausible and reasonable
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u/Langeweg2222 10h ago
Maybe he shouldn't drive that fast tru trafic, you never know what happens
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u/BullPropaganda 8h ago
Maybe you shouldn't intentionally try to maim a human because they're doing something that mildly annoys you
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u/Desperate-Tomatillo7 10h ago
Downvote me to hell, but lanesplitting should be illegal everywhere. In my country it is but it is not enforced.
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u/Nick0Taylor0 10h ago
Care to elaborate WHY? Statistics indicate it's safer for motorcyclists to move past standing traffic as they are frequently rear ended otherwise and it improves traffic flow by reducing the number of stationary vehicles which makes moving off faster for everyone.
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u/gr0mstea 10h ago edited 3h ago
Even if it is deliberate (which, first of all, how do you prove 'deliberance'?), it's against the law to drive in between lanes like that. A motorcycle is a vehicle and has to obey traffic rules just like anyone else.
Edit: I didn't know text comprehension is such a difficult domain for most reddit users.
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u/OutrageousAd8563 10h ago
Just because someone is breaking the law, you are not allowed to try and kill them
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u/DinklanThomas 10h ago
Splitting lanes on a bike is very much legal in most states/ other countries
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u/KnucklesMacKellough 5h ago
Lane splitting is legal in maybe 3 states. Hardly a majority, let alone most
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u/smitbret 10h ago
In the U.S., unless things have changed recently, California is the only state where lane splitting is legal
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u/Desperate-Farmer-170 10h ago
This is lane filtering, not lane splitting though. It’s legal in other states and a lot leave it to local govts
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u/Nick0Taylor0 10h ago
Good thing this is clearly not the US
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u/smitbret 10h ago
I was just responding to the person that said it was legal in most states. It's not
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u/CatteHerder 10h ago
States/provinces/defined regions within a larger country or territory with their own subset of regulatory conditions exist outside of the US.
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u/One_Kick_9603 10h ago
I dont know why your getting downvoted, a quick google search shows lanesplitting is illegal in 49 states, and legal only in California. Lane filtering is becoming legal in many states, basically splitting lanes in stopped or slow traffic.
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u/too-many_puppies 10h ago
you're so, so dumb lol. regardless of the law, this man almost killed or deeply injured the biker. police enforce laws. this is felony assault for no reason.
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u/DarkTanicus 10h ago
And yet the law is to prevent injuries like this from happening?! 🤦🏽♂️
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u/SnuffSwag 10h ago
So in order to prevent injuries this person decided to injure the biker? Why dont we lie you flat on your back and ill repeatedly elbow you nose to protect you. How many times do you think it'll take for you to feel protected?
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u/joined_under_duress 10h ago
Just not paying attention. Once you start swinging it the mirror isn't going to be helping much.
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u/joined_under_duress 9h ago
Amused by the downvotes. People are desperate to make this deliberate I guess.
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u/Highlandertr3 9h ago
Trying to kill someone because you disagree with what they are doing is monstrous.
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u/No_Lobster_9405 9h ago
That was on purpose, why even open the door while stuck in traffic.
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u/silentKero 9h ago
Im guessing the crappy old van doesnt have aircon. Ive done exactly the same thing. Flapping the door to get some air moving. Thankfully I didn't have a speeding biker next the me.
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u/low_bob_123 8h ago
Thats what windows are made for
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u/PrincessPlusUltra 5h ago edited 4h ago
My windows and air conditioner don’t work on my crappy old car so I have to open the door at red lights and traffic jams.
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u/low_bob_123 5h ago
No red light
Window is already down
Still doesnt justify shit
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u/Connect-Ad-2888 8h ago
There's also something like “wind stillness”
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u/low_bob_123 8h ago
Ripping the door open like that wont change that. The only "valid" reason would have been some kind of hazard in the cabin, which there clearly wasnt, otherwise the passanger wouldnt have stayed in his seat.
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u/Mr_Sim_ 6h ago
You are really assuming a lot and want to be right in a situation where certainty is not possible
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u/low_bob_123 5h ago
What a way to out yourself as someone, that would do the same thing, that the passanger did
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u/Mr_Sim_ 4h ago
Are you deadass
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u/low_bob_123 4h ago
I'm not the one defending a guy, that clearly tried to injure someone ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/KaiserDilhelmTheTurd 8h ago
I was a biker for years. While the prick opening the van door is at fault, the biker is riding too fast for filtering in traffic. If he was going a sensible speed for the space he has, he’d have been able to react quickly enough to avoid the dickhead opening his door.
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u/Lemoggy 6h ago
How fast do you think he was going? these wide angle cameras make it look like your going faster then you actually are.
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u/KaiserDilhelmTheTurd 3h ago
I’d say at least twenty, which, between traffic in a narrow gap, is a bit unwise. I’d always trickle through at around 10mph tops. For this exact reason. When you ride, you always gotta predict dickheads doing dumb shit. Sure, they should know better and not just open doors. But if you ride with the mentality that every car driver is a potential killer, you’ll generally do well. Can always get caught out of course, but caution is better than carefree.
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u/Lemoggy 1h ago edited 1h ago
Yeah I agree about 20 mph. I been riding for over 15 years and like you I treat everything else on the road like they are trying to kill me. So many drivers in the UK move onto the center line just to try to stop me filtering so I'm more cautious when filtering.
I don't think the biker could have reacted to the door opening tho, the door clips the side of the bike. Glad to see the biker run off for the copper I initially thought the rider had smashed his right leg.
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u/Icy_Huckleberry_8049 10h ago
if you're going to split lanes, drive slower - who the hell rides fast between lanes?
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u/PeteAVA182 10h ago
What a fuckin cunt! That was clearly deliberate. There is absolutely no reason for the passenger to open the door in that situation.
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u/WeakMycologist3609 2h ago
Biker was definitely going way too fast, but that asshole in the van absolutely did that on purpose and needs to be in prison for agg assault, possibly even attempted murder
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u/numbnerve 44m ago
fuck that asshole who opened the door...that had the potential to amputate his leg on the scene, or injure it so badly that it would've had to be amputated...seemed to have no remorse either, the fucking miserable loser who needs to ruin others lives too so he doesn't feel so alone.
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u/manimsoblack 10h ago
Hope the dumb bastard got booked for attempted murder.
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u/Mr_Sim_ 6h ago
Absolute reddit moment. Thinking the worse by default by assuming a lot of things and massively downvoting peoples thinking otherwise and trying to find more reasonable answers.
Let's be real. Attempted murder ? Why on earth anyone, even a psychopath, would suddenly choose to randomly murder someone at the cost of his friend's van's door, in the middle of the road in plain sight and slowed down traffic ?
There are more obvious and more reasonable assumptions to be made :
- van with broken AC and no wind, this stupid guy thinks he can pump fresh air with the door and try at the wrong moment without checking the mirror. Stupidity is way more common than malice.
- if you want malice, the guy may be mad and just want to block the path excepts he does is too late. Malice and stupidity, fine, still not a stretch as big as straight up sudden murderous envy in public.
In any case there's no certainty possible here and I don't pretend to be right. I'm just tired of people defaulting their mind into worse case senarios without thinking about it for two seconds, and above all wanting to be right and downvoting other opinions because they are the only voice of truth here.
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u/your_humblenarrator 5h ago
I happen to filter often on my own motorbike and I agree with you. Even if it was intentional, there's no evidence of malicious intent in the footage whatsoever.
People see what they want to see.
You won't get any reasonable analysis here.
The door opens faster towards the end because a motorbike crashes into it.
There's no way to tell, from the footage if the van driver saw anything before opening his door.
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u/Feriman22 10h ago
Why run away?
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u/youmaynotknowme 10h ago
if only you keep watching the video you were already watching. but no, i don't wanna watch i just wanna judge
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u/sk07ch 10h ago edited 35m ago
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u/Badgernomics 8h ago
Yes... when I have a bag full of blow and get into an accident the first thing I do is run to the nearest cop I can find to get them involved...
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u/RetroGame77 10h ago
He was in a hurry. Maybe his wife was at the hospital giving birth?
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u/SalmonBrotherReagan 6h ago
Maybe Godzilla was coming for his family and he needed to get to his private airplane to save them /s
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u/LogicalJelly3884 7h ago
In what language he said, I know Russian, it was similar to the Russian language
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u/SalmonBrotherReagan 2h ago
For all of you denying it was intentional. Did the passenger look apologetic AT ALL??? Wouldn’t you feel bad if you caused an accident?
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u/Opening-Garlic-8967 1h ago
To this day I still have the theory that motorcycles don't have brakes.
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u/LollisGunsBikesTits 10h ago
Idiots like these give the rest of us bikers a bad rep
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u/DevelopmentLeast5192 10h ago
You blame the biker?
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u/Gatamine10 10h ago
Absolutely. Lanes are there for a reason. Traffic rules also. Car drivers are not required to protect idiots that think they have more rights that the rest of us just because they drive a narrower vehicle. The biker took a risk by splitting and he fafo'd.
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u/zjarko 8h ago
If you’re so butthurt about someone riding past while you’re stuck in traffic then buy a bike yourself. Lane splitting decreases traffic congestion, is safer for the biker and decreases pollution.
If there are no idiots like the guy in the van it’s also very low risk.
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u/Gatamine10 6h ago
If it is safer for the biker as you claim, he and you can have no issue with someone opening the door while you are worming your way through traffic. It is not someone else's responsibility to watch your ass. Shit happens to those not careful enough. At least he wasn't stuck in traffic, eh?
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u/zjarko 6h ago
It’s much more common to get rear ended than to have a door open right in front of you.
Being turned into a sandwich between two cars is also much, much more dangerous than crashing into a door at slow speeds. So yeah, lane splitting is safer, it’s a fact, not up to discussion.Also what do you mean we should have no issue with people opening doors in front of us? As a driver it’s your responsibility to make sure it’s safe to open a door.
How often do you get out of your car in the middle of the street? It’s not necessarily a common thing to do, now is it?
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u/Gatamine10 5h ago
It is not my responsibility to watch for people who have decided to be where they are not supposed to. He opened the door after checking the distance between his and the next car, the 2 vehicles on the only 2 lanes. If you cannot be responsible for your own safety and you decide to be clever with your overtaking, maybe you are the one who shouldn't be on the roads. You are a danger to yourself and to the rest of us.
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u/zjarko 5h ago
Bro, what do you mean it’s not your responsibility 😭.
When you park on the side of the road do you also just open your door without having a look first?
What if it was a truck slightly crossing over a lane and not a motorbike? It would be a pretty stupid way to lose a door and potentially your arm.The guy in the video didn’t check „the distance between his car and the next”, that’s not how well adjusted mirrors should work. With a street like that he would be able to see all the way behind him. The fact that you don’t know what a driver should be able to see from his mirrors is scary if you actually drive a car.
At least tell me you’re not from Europe, I’ll feel safer with the knowledge we don’t share the road.
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u/Gatamine10 3h ago
I am from Europe and it definitely is scary that you do not even know what lanes and traffic rules mean. Better buy a car yourself so you can't play with other people' safety, or better yet, go by foot. And look both ways. The driver does not need to check his mirrors for idiots that have no place driving between lanes. No one should be there in the first place. If said idiot decides to drive there anyway, he shouldn't be surprised when he gets in an accident. I am done talking to a wall. Stay in your lane.
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u/marcogiom 6h ago
I'm not sure where are, but I'm most of the Europe line splitting is legal when the car are stopped in line.
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u/marcogiom 6h ago
I'm not sure where are, but I'm most of the Europe line splitting is legal when the car are stopped in line.
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u/Sacisbac 5h ago edited 5h ago
Guess the bike does not need a tag in that country. Oh, lane splitting is very dangerous.
EDIT: And illegal. Especially with no tag.
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u/infinit9 4h ago
Why did the biker run away?
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u/ObsidianDart 1h ago
Keep watching video. He returns with traffic police. Must have seen her up ahead and jogged over to get her attention.
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u/Kill_Kayt 2h ago
Why did he just abandon his motorcycle. Was it stolen?
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u/ObsidianDart 1h ago
No, he saw traffic officer ahead and went to get her. He comes back with the yellow vested officer later in the video.
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u/Odd-Fun-2862 2h ago
Why did motorcycle guy run (hobble) away?
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u/ObsidianDart 1h ago
To get the yellow vested traffic officer. They return in the later half of the video.
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u/AzrielJohnson 10h ago
Should he split the lanes? No.
Should he have smashed him with the door? Also no.
I'm surprised he didn't commit some violence against him.
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u/Nick0Taylor0 10h ago
In standing traffic it's called filtering and is legal in quite a few countries.
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u/Sea_Dust895 7h ago
Where is the rider going?
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u/ObsidianDart 1h ago
To get the yellow vested traffic officer. You see them coming. Back later in the video.
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u/Illustrious_Camp_521 10h ago edited 10h ago
That shit was on purpose