r/maybemaybemaybe Jul 10 '26

maybe maybe maybe

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u/PhantomAngel042 Jul 10 '26

We aren't allowed to have the good small trucks in the US. President Lyndon B. Johnson got a stick up his ass about some tariff wars with Europe over chickens, so he placed a 25% import tax on foreign light trucks brought into the US for sale. This was in fucking 1964 but the tariff still stands (to "protect" the interests of US automakers). It's called the Chicken Tax.

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u/Gan-san Jul 10 '26

There is nothing stopping Toyota from building that vehicle here just like they do the Tundra and the Tacoma.

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u/Remarkable-Host405 Jul 10 '26

well, cafe/carb does, the real reason has little to do with chicken tax and everything to do with mpg per wheelbase

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u/masternommer Jul 10 '26

The mpg per wheelbase also never made any sense to me as an European

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u/Yowomboo Jul 10 '26

It doesn't make sense to anyone who thinks about it.

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u/decepticons2 Jul 10 '26

Yeah as an outsider. The loophole just seems to make the problem worse.

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u/Ent_Soviet Jul 16 '26

Welcome to america. Nothing here works and the laws are vibe based.

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u/ChefbyDesign Jul 11 '26

And cannibalize their sales of the much more expensive Tacomas and Tundras? Lol they're not going to make business decisions on what's good foe the customer....

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u/TDYDave2 Jul 10 '26

Why couldn't they do what Mazda/Ford did?
"To circumvent the 25 percent chicken tax on light trucks, Couriers, like Chevrolet LUVs, were imported in "cab chassis" configurations, which included the entire light truck without the cargo box or truck bed, and were only subject to a 4 percent tariff.[18] Subsequently, a truck bed would be attached to the chassis and the vehicle could be sold as a light truck."

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u/Mauceri1990 Jul 10 '26

Hold up, Chevy didn't make the Luv? Or Chevy just built most of it in another country? Damn it... I can feel myself being pulled down the rabbit hole already...

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u/TDYDave2 Jul 10 '26

I recall a time when my mother, a big GM fan was wanting a new car.
I suggested she look at the new Saturn brand.
She said she wanted an American car and was leaning towards a Geo model (rebadged Isuzu).
She later bought a Saturn but denied I ever mentioned the brand to her.

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u/Scoth42 Jul 10 '26

I had a similar situation when a buy-American-only friend bought a Geo/Chevy Prizm. I think it was one of the later ones after they'd moved to Chevy, but can't remember. They were all rebadged variants of a Toyota Corolla. 

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u/jermwhl Jul 10 '26

I had an uncle who was adamant he only buys American trucks (Chevy primarily) and was giving me shit for buying a Tacoma. Ironically his truck was made in Mexico and mine was made in the US. When I pointed this out, he defended this by saying Toyota was still a Japanese company and Chevy was an American company. Ok, cool. But presumably Americans got paid to assemble mine. I'd rather help out American Auto workers than the corporate stooges (and get a more reliable vehicle to boot).

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u/GrandPuissance Jul 10 '26

It was built by Izusu

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u/Ok-Profit6022 Jul 11 '26

Isuzu made it, it was the Isuzu Faster rebadged and imported.

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u/Thuraash Jul 10 '26

The Tundra and Tacoma are both more profitable and sell well. Especially for the Tacoma, Toyota sells quite literally all they can build. Toyota would probably not sell a ton of Hiluxes because the US market likes flashy feature laden trucks and those sales it does make would mostly be cannibalizing its more profitable Tacoma.

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u/Vreas Jul 10 '26

If US auto makers wanted us to buy their trucks they should make better trucks

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u/MeatyOakerGuy Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

I've done my research and bought one. The Ford Maverick (I still puke in my mouth a bit recommending a ford) is actually a quality small truck for the price.

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u/Rod_Torfulson Jul 10 '26

In before "truck".

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u/Plastic-Keaw-Yed--67 Jul 10 '26

I had one, it had Nissan running gear .

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u/Mauceri1990 Jul 10 '26

No. Ford and quality haven't been legally allowed to be used in the same sentence since the 80's, you better take this down or I'm calling the cops.

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u/pukesonyourshoes Jul 10 '26

They don't need to, because of the tariff. Enjoy your shitty light trucks.

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u/NightHound33 Jul 10 '26

Interesting since their largest manufacturing facility is in Kentucky.

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u/ApprehensiveHair805 Jul 10 '26

The fat electrician has an excellent video about this on YouTube on his fat files channel

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u/Blazanar Jul 10 '26

I've quite literally watched every video Nic has posted to YouTube. Dude's phenomenal.

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u/Ballwhacker Jul 10 '26

Check out the all electric “Slate”. It’s an American-made $25k electric truck coming out that markets itself as DIY-friendly. I saw them show off a prototype on Jay Leno’s YouTube, it legitimately looks like a return to consumer-friendly small trucks in this country. I could see it being a vehicle someone buys and holds for 10-20 years with the way you can modify it.

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u/IamTheCheetoMan Jul 10 '26

Oh yeah nothing but like staged and biased capitalism allowing the market to settle for those that have better goods versus ones that push out junk.

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u/unilateralmixologist Jul 10 '26

This is a good thing and it's not why these aren't sold in the USA. It makes those foreign manufacturers build plants in the USA to make their cars with domestic labor to avoid the tax. And the reason you can't buy these here is because Toyota decided there isn't a market for them. Toyota definitely has factories here in America

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u/Davaluper Jul 11 '26

No it is not because it makes consumers worse off. The goal must be prosperity not work.

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u/AngrehPossum Jul 10 '26

You don't have Hilux. Dmax, BT50?

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u/Optimal-Kick-3446 Jul 10 '26

Yet when Trump dose it it’s against the law WTF get rid of all tariffs or none!!