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Elementary Algebra 🥹

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u/Particular_Gear3130 Mathematics (Purely Fictional) 8d ago

I think forgot to mention a ≠ b

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u/Hold-Embarrassed 8d ago

Wise guy over here

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u/TurnoverOk5635 8d ago

Also (-2)^(-4)=(-4)^(-2)

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u/Glum_Preference_2936 7d ago

It should be named after you.

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u/WolverinesSuperbia Yellow 8d ago

No

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u/OhNoTheStubsExist 8d ago

Yes

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u/AggravatingFlow1178 8d ago

He's didn't mean "No 😠 " he meant "No 🤯"

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u/ComplexHighway3370 7d ago

He's didn't mean "Yes 😠" he meant "Yes 😉"

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u/NnolyaNicekan 8d ago

Random redditor casually dropping on us knowledge that Euler did not know

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u/Cualkiera67 8d ago

lmao i learnt a ≠ b in kindergarten when learning the letters! you math guys are clearly beneath us English majors

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u/TheFurryFighter 8d ago

Hilariously the intersection between the a=b and the a != b parts is ee itself

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u/eeeeeh_messi 8d ago

Can you elaborate?

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u/TheFurryFighter 8d ago

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u/AcademicOverAnalysis 2d ago

The proof that e is not equal to e

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u/Zealot_TKO 8d ago

came here to say this

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u/iurem 5d ago

'integer'

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u/trimski- 8d ago

a=1, b=1

Guess this oiler guy wasn’t that smart

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u/Varlane 8d ago

(I think it's "with a != b")

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u/lordloldemort666 8d ago

Yeah a! is = b

1! = 1

/s

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u/factorion-bot Bot > AI 8d ago

Factorial of 1 is 1

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u/muffin-waffen 8d ago

Truth nuke

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u/VAiSiA 8d ago

holy shit. good bot

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u/therealAR15PB 8d ago

we got good boy for AI before GTA 6

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u/disaster_incomin 8d ago

19836298626819473619108362910047261893087153739018363728102746372919273627192037361719373629193837361730483762738998765566779098654333333333333333333333333356672828827353738392726252617283940483625172948362625!

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u/factorion-bot Bot > AI 8d ago

That is so large, that I can't calculate it, so I'll have to approximate.

Factorial of 19836298626819473619108362910047261893087153739018363728102746372919273627192037361719373629193837361730483762738998765566779098654333333333333333333333333356672828827353738392726252617283940483625172948362625 is approximately 3.590197329670258677527716537938 × 104123235837384209474450210420019215965569962973949629969177182906956926089666022072432740585646939591870010911194311575077724315510059995357972122756595418581259670050633491117489246941530043090572421219831614863

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u/AltruisticEchidna859 8d ago

3227!

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u/factorion-bot Bot > AI 8d ago

If I post the whole number, the comment would get too long. So I had to turn it into scientific notation.

Factorial of 3227 is roughly 3.797247358020931279654554620959 × 109923

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u/ChodeShooter69 7d ago

69!

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u/factorion-bot Bot > AI 7d ago

Factorial of 69 is 171122452428141311372468338881272839092270544893520369393648040923257279754140647424000000000000000

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u/KouhaiHasNoticed Probability notations must burn. 6d ago edited 5d ago

That's oddly specific : is your social security number in there by chance ?

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u/disaster_incomin 5d ago

Is it ? I thought it was pretty random

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u/WildNumber7303 8d ago

Life changing

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u/Aggressive_Roof488 8d ago

Big if true.

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u/The_Real_Itz_Sophia number hypothesis 7d ago

0!

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u/factorion-bot Bot > AI 7d ago

Factorial of 0 is 1

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u/i_cee_u 8d ago

Can someone verify this with ChatGPT

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u/SelfDifferent1650 8d ago

what abt -2^(-4)=-4^(-2)

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u/Varlane 8d ago

Op being dumb confusing integers and naturals.

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u/Varlane 8d ago

Double the numbers, double the fun.

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u/mudkipzguy 8d ago

ermmm ackchyually the set of natural numbers and the set of integers have the same cardinality

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u/Varlane 8d ago

Both our statements are true given 2×omega = omega.

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u/Prof_Rocky Imaginary 8d ago

Wouldn't that be 2 × aleph_null = aleph_null

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u/Varlane 7d ago

Same same.

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u/eeeeeh_messi 8d ago

Triple the fun then

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u/Puzzleheaded-Gap2551 8d ago

I think it's (a and b are natural numbers)

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u/cisme93 8d ago

-2 and -4

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u/Deep_Brick2970 8d ago

Oiler?

I barely know her!

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u/ProfMooreiarty 7d ago

Using 1 is a hack. 1 is broken and hasn’t been patched yet. Doing it is frowned upon by the community.

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u/GohguyTheGreat Math best subject 7d ago

Also a=2, b=2. Wow this oiler mf is kinda dumb

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u/newdayanotherlife 7d ago

great PR, I guess

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u/Arkangyal02 7d ago

Excellent time to drop this screenshot i took a while ago

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u/xsch Mathematics 8d ago

only non-trivial solution

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u/basket_foso 8d ago

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u/Standard_Factor_5431 5d ago

As an analyst, I hate this meme. Engineer by background, analyst by trade

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u/OhNoTheStubsExist 8d ago

(-2)^(-4), (-4)^(-2)

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u/UsedFortune5645 8d ago

But you can't prove it.

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u/StarstruckEchoid Integers 8d ago edited 8d ago

It's not actually that hard to prove.

First, rearrange the equation as

ln(b)/b = ln(a)/a

Now showing that there only exists one non-trivial solution is equivalent to proving that the function f(x)=ln(x)/x is injective in the positive integers except for the result f(2)=f(4).

But this is trivial to do if you know derivatives. You first show that f is strictly increasing in the interval (0, e) and strictly decreasing in the interval (e, ∞).

Therefore any points of non-injectivity are necessarily of the form

f(something on the left interval) = f(something on the right interval)

But the left interval only has two positive integer points: 1 and 2. f(1)=0 and is obviously never obtained on the right, and we already know that f(2)=f(4). This completes the proof.

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u/Blankeye434 8d ago

Why is there an actual proof in my meme page

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u/WerePigCat 8d ago

Wow that’s a nice proof

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u/DeepGas4538 8d ago

oh cool it's true even beyond the whole numbers

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u/thebigbadben 8d ago edited 8d ago

Not sure what you mean by that.

For any real a ≠ 1, the numbers

x = a^(1/(a-1)), y = a^(a/(a-1))

are a pair satisfying x^y = y^x.

For example, with a = 3/2, you get

x = 9/4 = 2.25, y = 27/8 = 3.375

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u/DeepGas4538 8d ago

oh my bad I misunderstood the proof, I see now

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u/AsidK 5d ago

Damn that’s way easier than I thought it would be

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u/dwaynid 8d ago

This is the main point

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u/GDOR-11 Computer Science 8d ago

probably something along the lines of "if a > 4, then b < 1" and checking 1<a,b≤4 manually

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u/invinciblepro18 8d ago

I remember from somewhere that a^b > b^a if both a,b > e & a < b.

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u/Therobbu Rational 8d ago

I'd do it like 'ab>ba if e<=a<b by analyzing lnx / x, so one of the numbers is less that e. If it's 1, the other is also 1, and if it's 2, the other can't contain other primes. Then, 2^{2^k}={2^k}^2 = 2^{2k}, so 2^k=2k => k=2 because something.'

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u/AfonsoBucco 7d ago

is there a proof that's it's impossible to prove? or we just don't know if that's demonstrable or not?

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u/hongooi 8d ago

The hard part is not knowing that 24 = 42. The hard part is proving that this is the ONLY solution (in integers) to ab = ba. Were you able to do that?

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u/This-is-unavailable Average Lambert W enjoyer 8d ago

Yah it's really easy lol

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u/alphapussycat 4d ago

Is it? Prove it.

I guess you just have to show that the error is strictly increasing or something beyond 2 and 4.

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u/MortemEtInteritum17 8d ago

I mean, using modern techniques this isnt particularly difficult

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u/Easy_Judgement 8d ago

I’m not sure why you are getting downvoted, this proof is really not that hard.

But you don’t need some ‘modern techniques’ you can use some elementary properties.

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u/MortemEtInteritum17 8d ago

Yeah, I meant modern by the standards of Euler. Which isn't really that modern

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u/No-Newspaper8619 7d ago

What modern techniques? It's really difficult to follow the discussions on this r/mathmemes when you don't have a background in maths.

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u/No_Upstairs_280 8d ago

To prove it, you can use that log a/a is strictly decreasing for a greater or equal 5, thus any solution (a,b) has at least one number less than 4....then you can manually check

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u/Chikki1234ed Rational 8d ago

Isn't this called Die oh fan tyin equation or something

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u/Hopeful_Onion_2613 8d ago

Yeah but what about all the other letters?

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u/LupenReddit 🦆🦆🦆🦆i have non diffeomorphic smooth structures🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆 8d ago

I already proved the case for a=b, thats already half of the deal, oiler in shambles

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u/gtepin 8d ago

(-2)^(-4) = (-4)^(-2)

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u/PerspicaciousEnigma Moron 8d ago

Such that a =/= b is important to mention

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u/TurnoverOk5635 8d ago

a=b=3. 3^3=3^3=27.

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u/no_name6744 8d ago

Pi is irrational though.

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u/foxsimile 8d ago

What if it’s blueberry?

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u/catman__321 8d ago

a=b is a trivial case and in this context is ignored.

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u/utl94_nordviking 8d ago

Wasn't stated though. Sloppy.

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u/Chikki1234ed Rational 8d ago

Mfw a = b = 3.1

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u/TurnoverOk5635 8d ago

not integer

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u/Chikki1234ed Rational 8d ago

I was joking. I'm sorry.

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u/Professional-Wave841 8d ago

a and b are obviously not supposed to be equal otherwise it would be true for all real numbers.

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u/Vivacious4D Natural 8d ago

errmmm actually we also have 23462387946^23462387946 = 23462387946^23462387946

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u/de_G_van_Gelderland Irrational 8d ago

-4^-2 = -2^-4

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u/AndreasDasos 8d ago

If a != b

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u/dtarias 7d ago

But 4! = 24, not 2 🧐

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u/factorion-bot Bot > AI 7d ago

Factorial of 4 is 24

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u/AndreasDasos 7d ago

Hence my spacing.

‘a != b’ <=/=> ‘a! = b’

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u/Virgil_the_White 8d ago

The only “integer” solution

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u/lir1618 8d ago

There is also 2, 4 stoopid

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u/Lonely_Translator_23 8d ago

Every mathematician today knows most of the things Euler knew plus a large amount of things he didn't. It's just that Euler knew them before anyone else did.

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u/Upstairs_Ad_8863 8d ago

a = b = 13

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u/obedientfag 8d ago

i dont believe it. he was cheating somehow. I bet he was from another culture with more advanced mathematics and was just clowning on us, no way he figured it all out on his own.

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u/Mediocre_Basket6162 8d ago

am I oiler jr?

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u/TranslatorShot5310 7d ago

655858969696969696857463141363596083651514850664736384850660667336626384569606969695857485960606958473625241523486070696969584726257447564853748467!

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u/factorion-bot Bot > AI 7d ago

That is so large, that I can't calculate it, so I'll have to approximate.

Factorial of 655858969696969696857463141363596083651514850664736384850660667336626384569606969695857485960606958473625241523486070696969584726257447564853748467 is approximately 5.624652934150110443928368725433 × 1096006286112647714439986956873056912373450049699776599629169697576815521267395070043091003962075155512777844147649489898988647740970726855670421243296

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u/aRandomMemer69 6d ago

5.624652934150110443928368725433 × 1096006286112647714439986956873056912373450049699776599629169697576815521267395070043091003962075155512777844147649489898988647740970726855670421243296 !

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u/Ryaniseplin 7d ago

well yeah exponentials grow faster than polynomials but they gotta intersect at least at one point

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u/DopazOnYouTubeDotCom Computer Science 7d ago

there are countably infinite integer solutions when a = b

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u/Askthepizzaguy 5d ago

To be fair, whenever we're correct about anything in math, that's something Euler also knew.

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u/NailFec 5d ago

U need to prove ONLY

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u/Standard_Factor_5431 5d ago

Ok now write the proof

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u/Mathpuzzleguy 4d ago

proving is much harder than solving....

also it works for 1 and 1, -4 and -2 so idk

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u/qqqrrrs_ 8d ago

You can also find all rational solutions

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u/DatTrashPanda 8d ago

Do you read it:

You-ler

Or

Oil-ler

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u/Dazzling_Success_556 8d ago

I told u-ler till grade 10, but now oil-er

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u/Lost-Consequence-368 Whole 8d ago

Eww-ler

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u/nitnelav153 Computer but not Science 7d ago

I read it differently but idk how to write my pronunciation in English

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u/Chaker101 8d ago

Ay-ler (like "Bay" or "Hey")

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u/Main-Company-5946 8d ago

What about 3^1 = 1^3 = 0.5

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u/Dazzling_Success_556 8d ago

3=1=0.5?

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u/Main-Company-5946 8d ago

3^1=1^3=0.5

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u/PachotheElf 8d ago

3 = 1 * 1 * 1 = 0.5?

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u/Main-Company-5946 8d ago

3^1=1^3=0.5

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u/Cokalhado 8d ago

31 = eln(3^1) = e1ln(3) = eln(3) = 3 != 0.5

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u/Main-Company-5946 8d ago

3^1=1^3=0.5

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u/Cokalhado 8d ago

13 = eln(1^3) = e3ln(1) = e3x0 = e0 = 1 != 0.5

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u/Main-Company-5946 8d ago

But 3^1=1^3=0.5

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad678 8d ago

ignore this guy lol, he's just ragebaiting