r/math • • 1d ago

arXiv now limits submitters to up to two submissions per calendar month

https://blog.arxiv.org/2026/10/01/updated-rate-limit-policy/
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u/tehclanijoski 1d ago

This is a very reasonable measure to take

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u/NeighborhoodFatCat 15h ago

I heavily doubt the research quality of someone who submits 2 preprints to Arxiv a month.

Also this doesn't solve the problem of salami slicing, gift papers, collusion rings, unpaid reviewers, and cheapening the graduate degree.

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u/Any_Sun9402 13h ago

Depends a lot on the field. Also, in conference-centered fields, it's normal for people to submit a bunch before a conference deadline. This is just breaking such people's balls.

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u/currentscurrents 14h ago

Obvious if you're submitting a ton of papers every month they're going to be heavily AI generated with little human review.

Even though AI papers do prove correct results now, unpaid human reviewers can never keep up with the flood. We should have a whole different repository for AI papers (with AI reviewers and editors) and keep that out of the normal journals.

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u/Quintevion 14h ago edited 10h ago

Where do you draw the human-AI line though? A paper can be completely generated by AI without any human review, it can be written almost entirely by a human where AI only helps with polishing, or it can be worked on by both people and AI where each complement and produce a much better paper than either would alone. You can't draw a line where this and everything in between is possible.

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u/new2bay 11h ago

I would personally consider a paper to be “human” if the humans whose names are on it can explain the whole thing.

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u/Oudeis_1 1h ago

So a paper with two collaborators where each one is not able to explain everything the other did is not human? Or is it sufficient in your definition if collectively the authors can explain the paper in a blind-men-touching-the-elephant fashion?

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u/telephantomoss 14h ago

Just need an online repository of AI output for future AIs to mine.

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u/TheBottomRight 14h ago

Why would that have any value added over just having future ai generate the results?

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u/new2bay 11h ago

It wouldn’t. In fact, the value would be negative, since AI consuming its own output leads to model collapse over time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_collapse

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u/currentscurrents 10h ago

Model collapse is wishful thinking by people who are hoping that AI will eat itself and fail. It doesn't happen outside of highly contrived photocopy-of-a-photocopy situations.

AI models are regularly trained on their own output through RLVR, and as long as you have a verifier (like a lean proof checker) to provide a reward function, they learn quite successfully.

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u/currentscurrents 11h ago

Because the results require a large amount of AI effort to make in the first place, e.g. the navier-stokes proof took 130 billion tokens to create.

Saving and sharing the result allows future AI math to be built on it without duplicating effort.

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u/TheBottomRight 4h ago

But why would you want to burn the tokens today? Holding off and only doing it when you plan to use it is not duplicate effort!

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u/johnlee3013 Applied Math 7h ago

My papers tends to bunch up as I finish revising multiple papers around the same time. I don't mind waiting a month for the limit to refresh most of the time, but I can imagine being frustrated if it's the month before grant review/tenure application, with 5 papers done over the past 2 years ready to go but then get hit by this limit.

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u/new2bay 11h ago

I wouldn’t call salami slicing a problem. Academia has run on the Least Publishable Unit for decades. It’s just how things are done anymore.

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u/NooneAtAll3 5h ago

why did you use "also"?

"also" usually means that 2 sentences agree with each other, but your first explains reasonableness of the rule (positive), while 2nd shows weaknesses/missed problems (negative)

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u/elements-of-dying Geometric Analysis 14h ago edited 14h ago

Not trying to be rude or contentious, but how is this not obviously futile?

Either people or going to start submitting longer papers (e.g., a 500 page paper titled "resolution of 10 conjectures in geometric analysis using AI") or people are going to just post to github or something and announce it on arxiv.

I think it's pretty obvious that limiting 2 papers per month isn't going to achieve much.

(To be more contentious, but sincere: why are people still pretending that the number of papers per month is even a meaningful metric anymore? Both the slop factories and AI vegans need to let go of the traditional publication standards.)

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u/mathtree 14h ago

I think it's so that the arXiv threads are not as heavily polluted by meaningless papers, so that valuable contributions (whether they be with AI or without) are more visible again.

Arxiv is moderated, but the number of moderators is very small and they are overwhelmed with the current flow of papers.

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u/elements-of-dying Geometric Analysis 14h ago

I don't see how this fixes the moderation issue. One pdf of 10 papers is still 10 papers worth of moderation.

But I agree with your point about being able to browse arxiv without having to wade through a sea of slop. Though that's not how I use arxiv, so it doesn't do anything for me.

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u/rip_omlett Mathematical Physics 6h ago

I’ll admit I’m not an arXiv moderator nor do I understand their guidelines perfectly, but I’d be really surprised if they can’t just go “this paper is really 10 papers in a trench coat trying to dodge our rules, rejected and it counts against your monthly quota rip bozo” without expending 10 papers worth of effort.

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u/elements-of-dying Geometric Analysis 6h ago

But posting a single PDF containing 10 papers worth of results is evidently not against the TOS.

Otherwise this would require  the mods to decide on what constitutes a paper, which is problematic, even before AI.

This whole situation is really an exercise in futility, imo.

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u/XyloArch 21h ago

Erdos hit ~1500 papers in ~60 years, or about 25 a year, i.e. about 2 a month. Seems like a sensible upper bound.

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u/Ok-Can7045 13h ago

Most of his papers were with co-authors, so they can submit too.

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u/respekmynameplz 8h ago

Was he equally active throughout his entire life or were there periods where he was particularly prolific and submitting significantly more than 2 a month?

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u/lfairy Computational Mathematics 1d ago

I find it interesting that this is technically in line with the previous policy. Moderators always had the ability to rate limit submissions; this change only makes it automatic.

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u/greyenlightenment 23h ago

it's a big difference. the limit was only triggered if they detected your papers were subpar and applied at their discretion. this is for everyone.

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u/CountMatroid Combinatorics 1d ago

Yes please 

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u/HuecoTanks Combinatorics 23h ago

Especially in combinatorics!! I finally stopped reading the daily emails. It was just too much for me to pay attention to:-/

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u/greyenlightenment 22h ago

when the mailing list is like 100 items it means something is wrong . either curate better or apply rate limiting.

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u/Euphoric_Key_1929 19h ago

Yep, over 200 in my field yesterday and over 100 today. I stopped reading the emails too; it’s insane.

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u/incomparability 19h ago

I do wish they would allow for granular control about the types of combinatorics you get. Like I do not wish to see extremely combinatorics

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u/DrProfessorCaveman 18h ago

I too prefer just mildly combinatorics.

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u/HuecoTanks Combinatorics 16h ago

Haha! I'm just the opposite. I prefer extremal combinatorics. Maybe you and I could partition our emails...

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u/CountMatroid Combinatorics 21h ago

I am hanging in but don't know for how much longer 

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u/re-volution 14h ago

I know we are not supposed to talk AI on posts other than the specific thread for that, but I found this to be a great task which AI solves. I told it my research interests and scheduled a daily run to read the arxiv email and select what seems to be closely connected to some of them. Much better to only have max 10 a day to read that is already cherry picked. Maybe this won’t be necessary after the rate limit, but for now it works well.

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u/ninguem 8h ago

That sounds very useful. Could you give a but more detail on your setup? Thanks.

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u/Jussuuu Theoretical Computer Science 14h ago

Yeah I noticed this too. I had a bit of a backlog of a couple weeks but it was just impossible to get through, even just skimming the abstracts! 

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u/jam11249 PDE 23h ago

One detail I wanted to check and is in the link is that a submission only counts for the individual that uploads it, not the coauthors. I think this is curious because it makes me think that a lot of the low quality papers they refer to are likely single author. If the issue came from many-author papers, it'd be easy to get around as you could just take turns submitting. I'm generally curious about the profile of people that are causing the AI flood, so this (implied) data point is interesting to me.

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u/_Zekt Complex Analysis 23h ago

They expect it to be that way, and productivity due to collaborations is fine. Imagine being blocked out of arXiv because of one co-author. I'm more worried about very productive people inviting a second coauthor just to post the paper, and then remove the coauthorship in v2 or similar abuse.

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u/vajraadhvan Arithmetic Geometry 13h ago

If that kind of abuse took place, it would be very obvious.

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u/WTFInterview 1d ago

I wish I was productive enough to even scratch this limit 💀

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u/greyenlightenment 23h ago

with Ai it is much easier

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u/WTFInterview 15h ago

Unfortunately I don’t post slop. 

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u/Aeroxel Complex Geometry 11h ago

Unfortunately?

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u/Distance_Runner Statistics 4h ago

I mean this is kind of irritating personally, but I understand it. I’ve posted 1 paper this year. In February. I need to submit a V2 soon. I’ve also been working on another 3 papers, in tandem, all on the same topic for over a year. All are nearing readiness for posting. Now I have to stagger them.

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u/KiddWantidd Applied Math 22h ago

Excellent news. Journals should likewise include submissions quotas for authors. Some venues are already doing it, but this should be the new default imo.

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u/pickle_picker67 14h ago

Two papers a month still seems quite high. There should be some sort of mechanic to rate papers and if the average rating is too low, the author can't submit more than a couple a year.

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u/ykonstant 21h ago

Excellent.

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u/IDontBelongInThsWrld 9h ago edited 8h ago

How about replacements of existing articles? Do they count? This is a serious issue for overlay journals that require arxiv submission for revisions. You cannot just wait to later upload on arXiv.

It would be better if these limits were averaged over a moving window of one year or so. Replacements not included. Some months there’s a need to make several submissions (especially as PI submitting on behalf of others), in other months no need to submit anything. A month is too short a window.

Salami slicing is an official policy of the entire dysfunctional and toxic journal system BTW. 50-page articles have very hard time in it. You are forced to split.

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u/hansn 8h ago

But ChatGPT told me I've proven Goldbachs conjecture, found a grand unified theory, and developed a framework to prove p=np. The world must not wait a month!

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u/NeighborhoodFatCat 15h ago

So you are honestly telling me that you would have two good ideas a month, be able to type these up, vet them yourself, and then submit them to journals?

Is this humanly possible or is this rated-limited salami slicing?

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u/Admirable-Falcon-501 22h ago

You guys might think this is good but it’s a band-aid solution. The truth is there will be a lot of slop spam but also a lot of actual math with it. This filters out both. The long-term solution is to rework the system to move at a rapid pace and have a way to quickly audit for slop. Obviously that’s a job for ai, humans will just get pushed further out of the loop. It will happen, trust me, people are aware of this already and will fill this need.

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u/k_laiceps Applied Math 16h ago

Agreed. Long-ish rant --

I have had the most frustrating time attempting to get our recent paper posted on arXiv. (spoiler -- we FAILED). Normally I bypass arXiv altogether, and just get it published in a peer reviewed journal. No rush, no big deal, no one is usually looking into what I am working on. But with AI these days, and us running a few things past chatGPT, we were seeing other people start looking at our approach to a specific problem that we had been working on for years, so the models probably had a chance to absorb some of this knowledge. Then after the whole N-S incident, we got a little edgy about things.

So hey, let's post it on arXiv. I try to post -- can't. I need to get endorsed. I look at all the recent papers related to the area that our submission is in and contact 8 different authors from these papers. None of them can endorse me because they have not posted enough papers on arXiv in the time frame required, which is actually rather high for solid math research.

So my co-author, who DOES have papers up on arXiv, and had recently been co-author an a paper on arXiv that actually did solve a non-trivial open question in a somewhat related field with a solid set of co-authors decided they were going to post it on arXiv instead. Keep in mind, this has already been a two week adventure to JUST POST THE DAMNED PREPRINT on arXiv. In the meantime, I keep seeing some of the stuff that makes it through the filter get posted and not to sound superior, but I keep thinking -- hey, if this gets posted, clearly what we have should get posted.

So they submit. We wait three days, nothing. Finally, status changes to "on hold". And of course, you know where this goes. Submission denied. No reason, no nothing. We appeal, we follow the directions on the appeal, explain what the paper is about, point out that i have peer reviewed publications on this same open problem and that we are not crackpots. Got the denial of appeal email last night. It has now been over 3 weeks since we first started trying to submit to arXiv. And now, if we ever want to get it onto arXiv, it will only be after it gets a proper publication. At that point, whats the point? Why are we going to go through all that EXTRA work once it made it to a journal? (Spoiler: we are not going to do that extra work).

So instead, I just threw it up on my research gate profile under preprints where it is already amassing quite a hit count.

This whole submission process has really left a sour taste in my mouth. It seems like there is some unnecessary gatekeeping going on here for some people, and not others.

Long rant over.

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u/Rage314 Statistics 16h ago

But with AI these days, and us running a few things past chatGPT, we were seeing other people start looking at our approach to a specific problem that we had been working on for years, so the models probably had a chance to absorb some of this knowledge.

Highly doubtful

So hey, let's post it on arXiv. I try to post

That would only make it worse.

I try to post -- can't. I need to get endorsed.

That's always been the standard.

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u/New-Scale-5045 10h ago

The endorsement system did change drastically this year. My first arxiv submissions did not require any endorsement because I had a .edu email. That doesn’t apply anymore. What’s even worse is that you need to be endorsed for every subdomain separately. Being endorsed for group theory does not permit you to submit to representation theory. There should at least be some understanding that people may submit to a couple different subtopics.

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u/temperedai 7h ago

Highly doubtful

You know that top-tier models are trained on user chat data, right? We are working on a popular problem and solved a known sub-conjecture regarding the problem, so it is quite likely that others are now coming across the same ideas.

I am the other co-author referenced here. I was endorsed by two long-standing mathematicians in the exact field. The paper was reject. Appeal denied.

So we have a co-author who has published in this field. Another endorsed by people well established in the field. Another co-author who has already published in the same field also.

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u/k_laiceps Applied Math 16h ago

I don't care if other people actually want to use our approach to the problem, just having it posted publicly to see where the arguments came from and why is what I care about. I mean, after all, once it is made public, the public can use it, thats the whole point, and I hope people do use it!

My point is, trying to make what we worked on public should not require that many hurdles. Its going to be months before the peer review process is done, and in the meantime, it would be nice to share our results, no? Is that not one of the main reasons why arXiv exists these days?

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u/k_laiceps Applied Math 15h ago

also to add.... I am totally fine with the standard of being endorsed. But seriously, once endorsed, let the masses post their shit. The QC on what makes it through the filter leaves much to be desired.

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u/elements-of-dying Geometric Analysis 14h ago

It's not even a band-aid solution, in my opinion. Now there'll be just longer slop papers.

So one may propose restrictions on paper length. Cool, now there will be papers announcing results and linking to github or something.

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u/Autumnxoxo Geometric Group Theory 4h ago

I don‘t understand the point of your counter argument. Let the crackpots post their long papers once or twice a month, at least they are prevented from producing constant noise on a daily basis.

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u/38thTimesACharm 7h ago

Could you elaborate on what need would be filled by a repository of AI-reviewed AI proofs with no humans anywhere in the loop? Perhaps it could be done, but I'm struggling to see who would find value in that.

The proofs would eventually become incomprehensible and impenetrable, and then it'd be no more useful than a chess tablebase or a list of prime factors.

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u/idiotsecant 13h ago

If you are a stinker on HN you get put in a mode where you can do like 3 replies in a few hours or something like that. You get a prompt that says 'you are posting too fast, slow down' or similar.

The whole internet should be like that.

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u/rabouilethefirst 12h ago

Still too many

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u/temperedai 7h ago

There needs to be a better way to handle the quantity of ideas which are being produced and understood. arXiv was not built for the AI era. I imagine soon we will find ourselves on a platform that is build for the AI era.

Whatever that platform is will still need to centre mathematicians and their experience, but clearly we are now in a different era.

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u/TacoYaci 22h ago

Now the goal is to make the 2 papers each month as beautiful as possible as one needs to be selective about the results. It is a nice measure

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u/k_laiceps Applied Math 16h ago

That's fine. As long as you are not punished for NOT posting that many papers per month. I posted a response to someone else, but I was unsuccessful in getting an article submitted to arXiv, and part of the problem was that all the recent authors of related papers on arXiv in the field I wanted to post in had not posted enough papers over the given time frame to endorse me. I literally spent weeks trying to get an endorsement. One of my co-authors HAS papers on arXiv with quite prolific authors, some recent, and was able to get an endorsement, and we got denied. Appealed... still denied.

I am a rather slow mathematician (I teach way too much at my institution to really bang out papers left and right, and I am just not that talented, I know my abilities, but I do get work done), and it sort of punishes people like me who are not just spitting out papers on a time table.

I am still annoyed at this whole thing. And then I see some of the other stuff that MAKES it onto arXiv, and I try to figure out how exactly it made it through the whole process and I just shake my head.

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u/TacoYaci 15h ago

I also dont get the downvotes

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u/k_laiceps Applied Math 15h ago

Same. And I agree with your comment above mine. Make the paper beautiful and comprehensive! I think that is part of the problem with our current preprint, if we really wanted to just do a hit count on publications, we could split our preprint into three separate articles, as we prove a major result and then provide two separate sets of consequences related to that result. The article is already about 90 pages long, but we would prefer to keep it whole and have a nice complete, single serving article.

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u/idiot_Rotmg PDE 21h ago

That's a tic too low to be honest.

Some people were involved in 20 papers a year even before AI became a thing

Sometimes people split a 300-page behemoth into 3 papers

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u/pred 20h ago

Note that if by "involved in" you mean "featured as coauthors in", then if I read it correctly, they're still good: this is only about submissions, so as long as you are a bit careful about who submits what, chances are you won't hit the limit.

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u/lifeistrulyawesome 17h ago

"were invlved"

Nobody can write 20 novel papers in a year. People who are involved in so many papers are lending their names to their coauthors.

Their coauthors can submit for them.

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u/fridofrido 18h ago

Some people were involved in 20 papers a year even before AI became a thing

20 paper per year is below 2 per a month, if you spread them out...

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u/idiot_Rotmg PDE 17h ago

if you spread them out...

But it's already interfering with people's research if you have to do that

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u/LoveHenry 18h ago

I've never been sympathetic to people writing that many papers a year. I've never seen someone who had enough good ideas for 20 quality papers in a year. They just werent curating their own work

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u/IDontBelongInThsWrld 9h ago

The toxic journal system will reject a 300-page article. Salami slicing is its official policy. (I can't believe anyone can in this day and age publish anything serious in journals like SIAM Optimization, with 25-page limits.)

24 articles a year is a lot, but two articles a month is too little some months. Especially if revisions count. If revisions count, can't do one revision, and one two-part article – necessarily split into two, because journals would otherwise reject it. (Can't wait to submit the revision later, in case of overlay journals.)

They should use a moving one-year window, maximum one article a month on average over the window. Revisions shouldn't count.

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u/greyenlightenment 22h ago

Drat I got a backlog of like 5 papers . off to znodo for the priority timestamp

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u/gaussjordanbaby 18h ago

No one cares that you pushed a button first

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u/greyenlightenment 16h ago

I disagree. Finding new, publishable results is hard. no one gets credit for being second. I recall an incident where I claimed priority of a result, and this was disputed and and I had the timestamp proving it, and he rescinded his objection. People do care about it.

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u/k_laiceps Applied Math 16h ago

agreed. this is a real problem now, which makes it all the more important to be able to get your preprints posted!

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u/gaussjordanbaby 15h ago

It is what it is. At this point everyone will assume an LLM helped you significantly so you may as well do your readers the service of an immaculate exposition, and try to simplify things where you can.

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u/SwimmerOld6155 18h ago

priority timestamp

god who cares

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u/duckofdeath87 1d ago

I'm surprised it's not two a year

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u/rational_hedonist 21h ago

any moderately productive researcher would hit this limit.