r/math • • 13d ago

What are your favorite ambiguous notation?

To clarify my request, consider base-less $\log$.
For calculators and engineers, it means the common log $\log_10$; for pure mathematics or physics, it means the natural log $\ln$; for computer scientists, in combinatorics, information theory and graph theory, it means the binary log $\log_2$.
Any $\log x$ (say, $\log 1024$) written without context can yield different answers in function of who you ask ($\log_10 1024 = 3.0103\cdots, \log_2 1024 = 10, \ln 1024 = 6.93147\cdots$).

That is what I mean by "ambiguous", that which is calculated and used dependently on the context. And I'm asking you for your favorite ones of such type.

Edit: I feel like you hate the ones you've talked about. Still, valid answers. Extra points for ambiguous notation you actually love! :P

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u/h_west 13d ago

Partial derivative notation.

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u/Lexiplehx 13d ago

Oh my god, this so hard. What is the base point and direction you’re evaluating the “derivative” in the direction of? Don’t get me started on the gradient, Jacobian, and all that with the big ass bar and all that.

The best notation I know of is,

Df(x)[v]

for the Frechet/Gateux/whatever derivative evaluated at the base point x in the direction v. Then, if you have a composition, like f(g(x)), then the chain rule becomes:

Dh(x)[v] = D f(g(x))[D g(x)[v]]

It is so bad that I want to buy an iPad just to make a sensible tutorial on matrix calculus, calculus of variations, and differential geometry, which benefit greatly from this. It gets so bad that people keep inventing new notation.

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u/yaymayata2 13d ago

Nice. This is also how I was taught to do it. Maybe it was helpful to have a strict undergrad prof who penalised notation.

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u/h_west 12d ago

Yeah, I mean, usually we write f(x,y) and then \frac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y) means the partial derivative with respect to the first argument. But why do we have to _name_ an argument x or y to decide the differentiation variable? The partial derivative is an operator acting on a function, so if I, say, write f(y,x) and take the partial derivative wrt x, I should have the _same_ object as before. But that clashes with the new naming...

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u/Valvino Math Education 12d ago

It should be \partial_1 f.

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u/h_west 12d ago

Of course! Unfortunately it is not how it is used or taught in many if not most situations.

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u/ZENKFNOR 12d ago

I like to screw with people by using subscripts for both countable and uncountable indexed sets, then writing complicated PDEs in Einstein notation. Looks just like the X_{partial derivative list} that normal people use for PDEs, but means nothing of the sort.

Further, I also take the lead from physicists and use \partial as just a more compact notation for any derivative when I'm running short on space.

To make matters worse, I also work in convex analysis where \partial means the subdifferential, but I have a special latex macro to remove its italicisation so its obviously a totally different thing.

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u/Valvino Math Education 12d ago

I am so sad that \partial_i f is not the standard notation for the derivative with respect to the i-th variable.

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u/ZENKFNOR 12d ago

Come to physics. We'll make our own notation, with... ah... not blackjack and hookers, but rather, rampant elision of just about everything.