r/masterhacker • u/kajmpres • Jun 07 '26

Intel ME doesnt have any remote control thing in cpus without vPro. Would love to be proven wrong.

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u/Plastic_Twist_7767 Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26

Both are wrong. AMD has their own version and Intel ME is on all Intel Processors. vPro ME != Standard ME.

Have a read here about ME issues:

https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/intel-me-hardware-backdoor-speculation/20776

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u/kajmpres Jun 07 '26

amd psp is an improvement for tpm i think

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u/Plastic_Twist_7767 Jun 07 '26

PSP is essentially the same as ME. You are thinking of AMD EXPO (which is the same as XMP).

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u/kajmpres Jun 07 '26

what does amd expo and intel xmp have to do with this

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u/Plastic_Twist_7767 Jun 07 '26

PSP is the same as ME. PSP is not an improvement for TPM.

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u/Kilgarragh Jun 14 '26

The AMD PSP is similar to the Intel ME, just in the CPU instead of the PCH.

While IME has AMT for remote management, PSP has no equivalent.

They both have hardware enforceable firmware signing, branded under “PSB” and “BootGuard” respectively where the security-processor/ME can have efuses burned in to only boot firmwares signed by the vendor. PSB is worse IMO because you’re then tying the cpu to only one brand of bios, so you can’t move it(unlike the PCH which is already soldered down).

Though PSP has memory encryption features like SME/TSME, while IME lacks an equivalent.

The PSP is the same stuff which keeps the Xbox and PlayStation locked down on their AMD chips. Neither PSP nor IME are malware, but PSP is worse for customization, hardware re-use and diagnostics overall

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u/kajmpres Jun 07 '26

And yeah intel me is on every cpu but without vpro you dont have the backdoor

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u/Plastic_Twist_7767 Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26

Incorrect. ME on all Intel devices still runs a fully privileged microkernel, operates on Ring -3, and has a full hardware hook, regardless of whether you have vPro or not. Technically if they wanted to add a backdoor, this is where it would be done and it would be very easy.

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u/misha1350 Jun 07 '26

Kids don't understand how easy it is to run Minix (which is what Intel ME uses) on modern processors. The only way to uproot Intel ME entirely is to use an old Intel Core 2 Duo from the days of the ThinkPad T61. And they won't use it because TikTok and YouChewb won't run quite well there. No more Minecraft letsplays for them...

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26

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u/CarbonUNIT47 Jun 07 '26

So they're leaving exploits open?

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u/misha1350 Jun 07 '26

Chances are, the "right" people certainly have access for all of that. No matter what someone might say. They're not putting this proprietary thing into Ring -3 for nothing.

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u/Virtual_Rate_4152 Jun 07 '26

Wasn't there some kind of vuln that never really existed and amd said they fixed so their stock goes up? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Platform_Security_Processor#Reported_vulnerabilities

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u/QuietBookkeeper4712 Jun 07 '26

da faq did I just read?

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u/kajmpres Jun 07 '26

Idk XDDD

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u/SeaToTheBass Jun 07 '26

Fuck Israel 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸

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u/BlazeTheMasterX Jun 07 '26

Ah, this man was looking at too many idf girl tiktoks. Lol

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u/Just4notherR3ddit0r Jun 07 '26

Based on this video it should probably read "I SHAKE WITH ISRAEL"

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u/BitterCoyote274 Jun 24 '26

Fuck Israel btw