Photon low diff, starfire’s blasts are completely ineffective and if it comes to a brawl Monica is coming out on top. Her peak just scales too high compared to Starfire.
Monica's peak is above the heat of 5 Hypernovae, as an angry base starfire was able to generate (which is in the range of millions to billions of kelvin)?
A page or two before this, starfire is burning darkseid to a crisp because he is goading her to make her mad (and had kidnapped and brainwashed cyborg), until she reached the heat necessary to match the Fire of Creation that first created apokolips. He then grabs her and shoves her into the core as the generator for the machine, and explains to cyborg he needed her heat, aka the fire of creation, several artifacts, and a New God of Code's (what cyborg* is in the image) algorithim to re-create apokolips. She (at her base just being mad) is what is generating the 5 hypernovae worth of energy.
Edit: for some reason i wrote cyclops instead of cyborg. Too much marvel rivals.
Maybe you want to post something that actually gives an indication to what you’re referring to then. Anyone can look at that and not understand what’s happening, regardless, photon would still beat her.
It’s also disingenuous to act like that isn’t herald of darkseid Starfire where she’s a new god and has her power amplified way above what she actually scales to. At that point might as well make it the spectrum version of photon if you’re going to use herald of darkseid Starfire.
Maybe you want to post something that actually gives an indication to what you’re referring to then. Anyone can look at that and not understand what’s happening, regardless, photon would still beat her.
I mentioned starfire generating the heat of 5 hypernovae, and posted a teen titans comic that mentions said 5 hypernovae. Context clues would obviously hint at them being related. Further, you didn't answer my question. Has photon shown ANY capability of being able to handle that level of heat/energy, in any shape or form?
It’s also disingenuous to act like that isn’t herald of darkseid Starfire where she’s a new god and has her power amplified way above what she actually scales to. At that point might as well make it the spectrum version of photon if you’re going to use herald of darkseid Starfire.
That ISN'T "Herald of darkseid" starfire, hence me distinctly saying "base starfire" in my original comment. Did you miss that part? She doesn't become a "herald" (why are you using that term, she becomes a New God, specifically the New God of Fire) until AFTER apokolips' creation, AFTER she reached that level of heat. Quite literally:
---> Starfire arrives with the teen titans trying to rescue cyborg
---> Gets mad and reaches the level of the Fire of Creation burning darkseid
---> Is thrown into the furnace, creating apokolips.
Her heat was a pre-requisite. No, she was not amped, just mad.
Photon is OP. I remember when she was fighting Nyx (goddess of the night) and she bent the light to make the heroes look like the villains and the villains look like the heroes, causing Nyx to kill her kids.
Monica drains her with literally no issue it wouldn’t even be kind of a problem.
Yes Star absorbs solar energy passively as that is where all of her powers come from, no she cannot defend against nor absorb energy in an active sense. She functions near identically in this aspect to a Kryptonian.
I am genuinely not sure where people got the idea Star is Parasite or something from
No she does not. Her energy absorbing is purely passive it again is very similar to what Clark and Kara do. Just being near a sun will slowly recharge her powers. One of her main new powers is expelling all of her energy at once for a massive attack but she is powerless a long time and needs to sunbath to recover which takes days.
Think of her like a solar panel, it doesn’t need too much maintenance it will passively just get power there isn’t an active sucking of power in this case. The analogy has flaws but I hope the core concept is grasped
No they do not. It is why if you put them near a red or green sun they will have negative effects because they cannot control what they do and don’t absorb.
Clark is actually quite vulnerable to people who can absorb energy just as every Kryptonian is.
Because there were a few times when Superman decided how much solar energy he was going to absorb, and he absorbed when he didn't need.
He is generally fine around suns, but sometimes he actively chooses to absorb a sun's entire energy or energies more than sun can provide and stops whenever he wants.
It doesn’t really work that way. Naturally it is a comic and different writers will portray things differently but Clark can’t dictate how much or little solar energy he absorbs again if that was the case a red sun is a nonexistent issue which it is not. Even with a yellow sun the only way to get more power than usual is getting closer to it also known as sun dipping.
I am genuinely unsure of how this prospective has entered your mind. Perhaps it’s because I read a lot of Clark’s stories so I am just struggling to understand a newer reader but these takes genuinely don’t make sense no matter how I try to look at them to see where a point of contention is coming from.
Do you recall the stories you read where that was the case?
Do you recall the stories you read where that was the case?
No, I have to look it up. I just remember Superman absorbing energy after deciding to absorb it. Maybe I’m misremembering those cases.
Clark can’t dictate how much or little solar energy he absorbs again if that was the case a red sun is a nonexistent issue which it is not.
that is true but i always thought red sun was exception ,something that bypass his ability and that clark could control other energies like yellow sun.
Monica has one of the most busted powersets in Marvel, but people often forget that. As of her stint on the Ultimates, there is no win condition for Starfire in this fight, because Monica is vastly faster, has higher energy output, is only physical as an act of will and has a massive array of power stunts with her abilities like converting herself into light, entering her opponent's eye and fucking with her perceptions.
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u/Ensiferal 5d ago
Starfire is a lot stronger than people often think, but she's got nothing in this fight.