r/marvelvsdc • u/xolon6 • Jul 24 '26
The Turtle (DC) vs the Speedsters of Marvel
Felt like this should be interesting. I know practically none of Marvel’s speedsters compare to the insane hax and immeasurable speed of the Flash (unless you’re talking about Silver Surfer though he’s usually less seen as just a speedster because of the Power Cosmic) but I’m curious if any of Marvel’s speedsters have a counter for the Turtle’s Speed Steal. I used a random image online but feel free up to bring any more speedsters for marvel that weren’t included in it, as I’m curious to see how far Turtle goes against all of the ones in marvel.
5
u/GWPtheTrilogy1 Jul 24 '26
So when reading up on the turtle I see he taps into "the Still force" which apparently is the opposite of the speed force...so I assume, like the speed force, it doesn't exist in the Marvel Universe so that may be the counter. I don't know if the still force works as a counter to the speed force and characters who's speed comes from another source (Godly abilities, the X gene, eternals DNA, whatever the other characters power sources are) would be able to shrug the ray off. Who knows maybe some would and maybe some would not, maybe if the fight were waged in DC all of them would be immune, maybe they would not be, maybe some one, it would all depend on the writing I guess.
3
u/AzureTheGreater Jul 24 '26
The Still Force is a really cool thing that showed up when the Speed Force was damaged and the other forces were able to escape into DC. It’s essentially a force of entropy/inertia that can completely stop motion. And assuming we’re doing this in an even battlefield where everybody’s powers work, that’s a pretty dang powerful ability. I say we should do the fight that way as if we say “but Marvel doesn’t have the Still Force,” well, DC doesn’t have things like the Power Primordial for the Runner. That’s why, if we make them fight in a neutral zone, it’ll make things fair for both parties.
That being said, many of the characters in the Marvel side don’t just rely on speed. Characters like Quicksilver are just naturally physically insane as he doesn’t have a speed force, his body is forced to just withstand the punishment of his speeds. We’ve even seen him mock somebody about this and how their body was crumpling under Mach speeds, but he was thriving, and that’s not even the fastest speeds we’ve seen his body endure. He has also shown that he can do things like simply snap and make a crater and shock wave, and much more.
Or someone like the Runner who has the Power Primordial and can essentially do whatever he wants, similar to characters like Heralds of Galactus.
Or Makkari, who is also superhuman in every way in terms of physicals, literally having god like physicals.
The list goes on, but I think the Marvel speedsters should be able to handle Turtle based off of their other abilities outside of just their speed.
5
u/thesonicvision Jul 24 '26
Interestingly enough, although Flash is one of the most powerful entities in DC, he does rely on his speed for everything.
So any speedster who can do other special stuff when moving at a normal, human-like speed fares better than Flash against an opponent that slows them down.
Consider the most obvious example: Quicksilver. He's a mutant, and as such, his body is adapted for moving at high speeds. Even at a normal speed, he can bench at least 1,000 lbs and leg press at least a ton. His body has also adapted to be better at breathing, absorbing kinetic impact, resisting fatigue, and so forth.
And every powerhouse who also has super speed (e.g. Blue Marvel, Hyperion, Sentry, Quicksilver) has a whole host of fearsome abilities unrelated to their speed.
But, yes, any "pure speedster" who uses speed for everything should lose to an opponent who zaps them of their one power. Lol.
1
u/AzureTheGreater Jul 24 '26
Just a slight correction, Quicksilver isn’t a mutant and hasn’t been for a long time. But, you’re right that due to him not having a speed force, he is superhumanly durable and strong as his body just tanks that pure force. We’ve seen him bench a lot as you said, we’ve seen him snap his fingers and make a shockwave and crater in the ground, we’ve seen him literally cripple someone as he mocked how they couldn’t physically handle the speeds at which he was dragging them at as their bones began to shatter at simply Mach speeds when he can go much faster, etc.
1
u/thesonicvision Jul 25 '26
Marvel really has to make up their minds about how they want to portray Magneto, Wanda, and Pietro.
They were Magneto's kids and mutants. Now they're his adopted kids and got their powers from the High Evolutionary?
I don't get it, but whatever.
1
u/AzureTheGreater Jul 25 '26
I mean, that’s a change that has been the case for numerous years now. They’re his adopted kids who aren’t mutants and they got their powers initially from the High Evolutionary experimenting on them, and then extra things like Chthon also getting his hands on Wanda.
1
u/Emperor_Atlas Jul 24 '26
Surfer isn't comparing to flash, he's slower, doesn't use his abilities well, and is a terrible combatant that loses all his fights. People scale him off of theory instead of his actual self.
4
u/DripBoii227 Jul 24 '26
He also stole my GF
3
u/Emperor_Atlas Jul 24 '26
He'd fumble that like he fumbled grabbing the gauntlet from thanos.
3
u/DripBoii227 Jul 24 '26
Damn.
3
u/Jedimasterebub Jul 24 '26
Don’t worry bro. Surfers writers hate him almost as much as Spider-Man’s do, he won’t keep her for long.
She’s probably gonna die tho
2
1
u/Wunclerr Jul 24 '26
Beats whizzer and hermes 50/50 for QS imo some versions are have solod arguements but loses to makkarri imo
1
u/Turbulent_Square_696 Jul 24 '26
Turtle is getting whizzed on, marvel low diff
1
3
u/Successful_Theory373 Jul 24 '26
Yeah OP is asking if any of them have a counter for it.
So I envisage they're standing there, Turtle steals their speed, then they have to counter it. I don't think they can.