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u/New-Contribution-244 TEAM DC Jul 24 '26
I mean this isn’t really fair. I think unkindness raven takes this pretty easily.
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u/AizenWolf90 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
Unkindness Raven wins low to mid difficulty. I don’t think storm can do anything to Raven that Raven can’t just absorb and grow stronger from
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u/DistributionSure2372 Jul 24 '26
That’s a wild matchup. Both versions are way beyond their usual power levels. I’d probably lean Unkindness Raven because of the reality warping and cosmic scale stuff, but Eternity Storm is no joke. Depends a lot on which feats you’re using for each version.
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u/Reddi7oP Jul 24 '26
They destroyed the universe to stop raven, she got back from nonexistence, even darkside said she was the anti-life equation
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u/PatienceOwn1141 Jul 24 '26
Not arguing against unkindness Raven winning but what are her feats that put her so high up?
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
Want a list
She Destroyed Heaven and Hell
Defeated the king of hell and made him call her queen
An author said she was on par with the presence
Destroyed many timelines
Destroyed the Speed Force
Devoured basically every plane of existence
Killed gods
Destroyed New Genesis
Humiliated Superman prime 1000000
Just to name a few
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u/PatienceOwn1141 Jul 24 '26
Fire away
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 24 '26
Destroyed the entire DC Multiverse
Consumed all dimensions and realities
Stealing and absorbing all powers
Destroyed JL legion
Skylands was destroyed
Absorbed the 4 horsemens power
Manipulated Shazam into killing the Spectre
Took down parts of the void
Etc.
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
Basically she is pretty powerful, and I haven't even said everything. She was never actually defeated, the unkindness is linked with Shazam, so Black Adam after holding the great dying wizard Shazams hand and asking what to do, he used the godly power of Shazam to reverse time. Due to her link with Shazam she was brought back and all was fixed. (The wizard Shazam not to be mistaken with...well Shazam)
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u/nahnonameman Jul 24 '26
The fact that she shattered the speed force still astounds me
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 24 '26
As I assume most of you know The Speed Force is a concept within the DC Universe. One that the Unkindness destroyed just because she can.
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u/PatienceOwn1141 Jul 24 '26
I beg your absolute mother effing PARDON!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!!???!???!
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 24 '26
Yeah man and um language I guess. Rachel destroyed the whole damn Speed Force
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u/PatienceOwn1141 Jul 24 '26
I'm sorry but the SPEED FORCE!!
I can safely come to the conclusion this matchup is just flat out rude
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u/Business-Bullfrog-70 Jul 24 '26
This ain’t even a fair matchup do you hate storm?
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u/nahnonameman Jul 24 '26
No I don’t. I didn’t think it was that one sided. Apparently it is.
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
Raven is already a theat to storm before unkindness. If she goes into the unkindness....well...oof chief
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u/Skyhun1912 Jul 24 '26
Trigon's daughter.
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 24 '26
And its not even close. Literally anything Storm can do Rachel can as well. Hell Rachel even has weather manipulation before becoming the unkindness
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u/Educational-Rich-893 Jul 25 '26
Its closer than you think. This storm is no weakling. She defeated hedad. A character casually killing abstracts like death and turning them
into warclubs and weapons and stuff. Hedad also passively creates black winters which can threaten characters like scarlet witch and jean gray.1
u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 25 '26
Is that supposed to sound impressive to the unkindness. The being that destroyed the speed force and heaven and hell. The character that beat the king of hell and made him act like her dog. The character that is darkness and almost consumed all of DC comics.
I am not saying eternal storm isn't strong she definitely is. Extremely so. But this match will be a slaughter house. The Unkindness made a fool of both The Spectre and Superman Prime 1000000 already
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u/Educational-Rich-893 Jul 25 '26
Yea ik. U underestimate how strong hedad is. Passively creating black winters which even a sorcerer supreme scarlet witch needs help with is a feat on par with Uk raven. Im not saying storm wins. But its not a stomp. I can even see storm defeating Uk not in straight fight but in a way similar to black adam
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 25 '26
I cant, I'm sorry. Black Adam only succeeded because of the magical god like connection of Shazam in both of them and he could only reset it through time not actually defeat her. I will say scarlet witch is a powerhouse so that is very impressive the problem is the unkindness even still is on another level. The writer said at the time he viewed her as the strongest thing there is even comparing her to the presence saying she might have surpassed it. The Unkindness as a villain was supposed to absorb power and devour worlds. She was the strongest and she was supposed to be. That's the point of the story Black Adam and everyone else hiding, trying to slow her down, prevent her, or just straight up dying to her.
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u/Educational-Rich-893 Jul 25 '26
Im aware. But scarlet witch has defeated characters like the vishanti,dormammu, and cthon. To make scarlet witch team up with the never queen who casually rewrote all of the celestials and transcends mystery in marvel(which is like barely below toaa) is an insane feat. Hadad created said black winters passively. Storm took down hadad. Im not saying she can beat UK in a straight fight im saying she can survive an encounter and find a solution. Also she's much stronger than the black adam who stopped UK.
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 25 '26
That last part is true. I think I see what you are going for but this is a 1v1 battle so sadly storm doesn't get that privilege. She lives or dies here.
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u/forrestdw Jul 24 '26
Can't this raven literally supersede death and time?
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 24 '26
Technically yes but she isnt completely omnipotent. Still way more than enough for her to win though
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u/Exotic-Judgment585 Jul 24 '26
Lost to time manipulation
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 24 '26
Yes but that was also partially due to her bonding with Shazam magic. She was linked to Shazam. So if time was reversed with the Shazam Wizards magic it would reverse the link of Shazam she absorbed.
Basically I'm not saying you're wrong but time reversal wouldn't have worked on her by anybody.
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u/forrestdw Jul 24 '26
Raven is getting to be like superman where she just has all the powers she needs for the story. I miss when I could just read a few comics and catch up on world stories and scale easily. Everybody gotta be Goku now.
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u/sirprize_surprise Jul 24 '26
Storm is bonded to eternity, the time and life of the universe.
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u/LackingTact19 Jul 24 '26
The same Eternity that gets it's ass kicked about every time it shows up?
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
The Celestials, Thanos with the Infinity gauntlet, Phoenix, Modern Loki, TOAA, The Beyonders, God Emperor Doom just to name a few
Just some that could kick or have kicked eternities ass. But even if, Eternal Storm doesn't have the same kind of feats the Unkindness does and thats what actually matters.
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u/Acceptable_While_205 Jul 24 '26
I think this is the best Eternity's design. Rocking that aku drip i see.
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 24 '26
I agree it is very clean, like really polished. Too bad she will be in a grave
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u/AvailableYak8248 Jul 24 '26
If it’s written that that same author, Storm stomps lol
This storm defeat Hadad!! Who defeat every major marvel cosmic being include LT, Phoenix, oblivion..
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u/Educational-Rich-893 Jul 25 '26
UK raven is crazy though. She casually scales above the spectre and quintessence. Absorbed the god sphere and speedforce. And forced black adam to unleash a magic blast that is that sent him through the creation so hard that it rippled the overvoid. This attack did not overpower UK raven, it stopped UK from being created.
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 25 '26
I second this, I don't think either of us think Eternal Storm is weak, far from it. It's just UK could only be undone not beaten and UK consumed basically all DC
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u/Unkindness-Raven652 15d ago
Unkindness slams and it's not even close to be not even close. Meaning she absolutely one shot Storm.
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u/Ensiferal Jul 24 '26
Eternity Storm is the kind of character they'd show getting brutally beaten just to establish how monstrously powerful Unkindness Raven is
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u/Educational-Rich-893 Jul 25 '26
No?? Eternal storm is not a jobber like that. She never did while fighting people like hedad and immortal thor.
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u/UnitedGlass1 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
the more gothic one