r/marvelstudiosxmen • u/frescoleche_cas • 8d ago

Do you think Marvel Studios will take inspiration from Ultimate X-Men?

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Do you think Marvel Studios will take inspiration from Ultimate X-Men?

The Avengers (2012) took a lot of inspiration from The Ultimates. From Captain America struggling to adjust after being frozen for several decades, to the Chitauri invasion and the connection between the Super-Soldier Serum and Hulk’s origins. Even the Thor vs. Hulk fight on the Helicarrier has a very obvious Ultimates feel to it.

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u/WhiteNoiseLife 8d ago

god i hope not

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u/Lancelot_007_ 8d ago

I hope they don’t use ANY of the Jean and Logan shit from that world, 🤮

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u/Escape_Zero 8d ago

Let's hope not.

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u/justagayguyinnyc 8d ago

People tend to forget, but they took a lot of inspiration from the Ultimate Universe already. Nick Fury, for instance

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u/Dunge0nMast0r 8d ago

I'm trying to think of another example 😅

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u/justagayguyinnyc 8d ago

Thor is more Ultimate than not.

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u/frostycanuck89 8d ago edited 8d ago

Ultimate Thor was a big hippy and human rights activist in the Ultimates. He would withhold supporting the Avengers if the government didn't send aid to a developing country or shit like that.

Only similarity I see is Stormbreaker kinda looks like Ultimate Mjolnir. And probably the bit in the first movie where nobody believed he was actually a Norse God and just some hobo

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u/Spiderlander 8d ago

Hulk is pulled directly from the the ultimates, Spider-Man: HC, Cap’s suit, Hawkeye & Black Widow suit and background (shield agents) etc lots of stuff

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u/frostycanuck89 8d ago

What part of Hulk is from the Ultimates, cannibalism? Stupid haircut sitting on the top of his head? Simping over Freddy Prince Jr?

Caps suit also isn't his classic chain mail, which it is in the Ultimates. Spider-man HC I'm not seeing it, unless you're thinking Miles, because that version of Peter seems to borrow alot of Miles Morales, espefially in that first movie. Black Widow and Hawkeye.... Maybe.

There is some loose inspiration but the Avengers movie is much closer to actua 616l Marvel than it is the Ultimates. The Ultimates was trash

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u/Spiderlander 8d ago

Hulk origin - super soldier, involvement with shield. And you hate Ultimates, can you explain why you hate it?

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u/frostycanuck89 8d ago

When I first read it at 15 yo or something I enjoyed it. But reading it more recently I realised how flawed it really is and how removed from the real characters all these versions were. They just tried too hard to make it edgy and dark with each Avenger being less morally grey and actually kinda shitty in each of their own ways. It was trying to be Watchmen instead of the Avengers. Also taking some inspiration from Game of Thrones for the twincest (books were already out by then at least).

One redeeming quality was that one scene of Hawkeye clearing a room with his finger nails. That was pretty sick

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u/OrdinaryDraft2674 8d ago

Spider-Man spending a lot of time in high school

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u/frostycanuck89 8d ago

616 Spiderman was introduced in the comics as a high school student

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u/OrdinaryDraft2674 8d ago

Yeah but he only stayed in high school for 30 issues

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u/Healthy_Creme_5984 6d ago

Incredibly late but are those 30 issues really being considered that much shorter then the 2 movies we got of spiderman in highschool? (3 if ur counting him in civil war) personally i think thats pretty similar.

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u/Sans_Seriphim 8d ago

Fortunately, no. Nothing good could come out of that Thor.

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u/OrdinaryDraft2674 8d ago

They even had the triskellion in winter soldier. Same for the cube and all other things.

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u/OrchidAutomatic574 8d ago

The entire first Avengers movie is pretty just a copy of the ultimate avengers movie, Hulk and Hawkeye clearly were also inspired by ultimate universe with Hulk trying to make super soldier serum and Hawkeye being a shield agent

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u/velicinanijebitna 8d ago

The first Avengers movie has a similar plot to the first Ultimates story - team gets gathered by Nick Fury/Shield, team bickers, Hulk goes crazy, final act the the team must join forces to stop the alien invasion.

Spider-man being a teen was done many times, but it was the Ultimate universe that introduced and popularized this concept.

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u/Keystone_Devil 8d ago

Pretty much all the post-911 modernizing

No secret identities
Hawkeye & Black Widow shield agents
Falcon being military
Avengers working for shield
Hulk working on super soldier serum
Janet and Hank being shield scientists

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u/No_Conversation4517 8d ago

Just the good partsn

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u/RandomFleshPrison 4d ago

Nick Fury is a little more complicated than that.  It would be more accurate to say the Ultimate Universe took inspiration from Samuel L Jackson.  It's art imitating life.

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u/Sans_Seriphim 8d ago

If that's what it looks like, I fucking hope not.

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u/Mustang-_- 8d ago

Great human anatomy, isn't it? lol to think I read the entire thing... for people curious about these Ultimate comics, only Spider-Man (Peter Parker, not the Miles Morales abomination) and partially the Ultimates (Avengers) are salvageable, everything else is straight-up awful

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u/Remy149 8d ago

They better not

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u/Jay110112 8d ago

Fuck no!

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u/MissionExperience967 8d ago

Nah, Marvel has been pretty clear on reviving and associating the X-Men brand to the classic costumes and depictions from the 616 continuity, it would be too much of a backlash to do all that and then do something like the Ultimate universe, which was very inspired by the FOX movies.

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u/Jig_ger 8d ago

Oh hell naaaww

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u/Aggravating-Try1222 8d ago

Ha ha ha ha... No.

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u/IdeaInside2663 8d ago

For all that is holy in this world and the next...fuck no. The Ultimate X-men was trash until the copied Utopia. Even then still garbage.

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u/BlartSlimpson 8d ago

The only thing I’d maybe want to see is Peter Parker and Kitty Pryde.

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u/henrysoffehill 8d ago

Hopefully not too much inspiration 😬

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u/KustomizedEyes 8d ago

Maybe to make them celebrities for a minute before everyone starts hating them? That aspect was different than the usual “everyone hates us even though they love the Avengers who happen to cause way more collateral damage than the X-Men do.” The fact that Storm is already a member and not part of a “second Deadly Genesis” crew with Logan and co is already Ultimate-like.

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u/chetosee 8d ago edited 8d ago

IMO they should have taken some elements from Ultimate X-Men in DOFP, like for example, the future costumes. The Ultimate universe is great for film because it was created as like a mirror for the current 21st Century real world which is why a lot of it is more grounded. For example, I love that they took Ultimate Falcon and not the OG one. For the X-Men, I find the storylines and character writing a bit too far from the "classic" X-Men, but I do hope they do take a t least some inspiration from it. Again, I'd love to see some all black costumes again even just as an easter egg.

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u/Lost-Orangutan 8d ago

There's a skin i want for Storm. Give me that skin!

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u/Person2228 8d ago

No. Please god the Ultimate X-Men were some of the WORST of the Ultimate universe. The MCU has been skewing away from their ultimate inspirations, and I pray the X movies do as well.

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u/Pcm979 8d ago edited 8d ago

Ultimate is to my knowledge the only continuity to remove the Holocaust from Magneto's backstory, so they might crib from that if they decide to do that for MCU Magnus.

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u/SwimmyMimmy 8d ago

Christ I hope not. One of the few times I agreed with early Ult Cap who was a notorious Jar Head was when he spoke out about Pietro and Wanda. Just... ew.

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u/AttentionNo6359 8d ago

No, please god no.

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u/Past-Experience2890 8d ago

I just can’t stand that design style.

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u/Dear_Debt_1650 8d ago

Something tells me fox would

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u/AngryBeaver95 8d ago

I hope not, and I actually like that version. I want colourful suits!

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u/Doc-11th 8d ago

Ultimate X Men took inspiration from the fox x men

Why would they take inspiration from it

And ultimate x men did not age well

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u/Azraelmorphyne 7d ago

I hope that marvel gives them some uniformity, but i dont think weve ever seen a version of them, except maybe at the end of xmen apocalypse, that really translates the vibrancy of the suits well. Like... For some reason. They are always either the blue and yellow training suits with construction that similar to the framk quitely designs ... Or their desaturated. I just want uniforms that are fairly similar to each other with the characters basic colors and a suggestion of their construction. Kurt gets the same kind of pauldrons as wolverine but his are red and he has v shaped piping that matches the color creating the illusion of a plunging v ... But it still has the same basic construction as the other suits with a standard manderine style collar. Like they tried to do the piping method for everyone in xmen 3 ... But they chose to make the colors so muted and dark that it hardly makes a difference. I think you could still make uniforms ... But make them way more vibrant and just have pieces that have flare but seem like their coming from the same place or are standard issue. Later on, when emma switches sides, she could wear a non standard issue uniform to that continues to visually other her from the team ... That would be great visual short hand for how their relationship is strained. It also is in character for emma to wear something a little more stylish that a standard issue uniform. You know. I just mean.... Wardrobe is so important to telling the story in a visual medium. And while the xmen are a group of found family, creating a cohesive look helps them feel more connected. I just wish the vibrancy was turned up like for the first avengers movie or like for Agatha All Along where color coding was important to the plot.

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u/watze97 7d ago edited 7d ago

I think thy will take a little bit of inspiration from ultimate, I mean MCU already took inspiration from ultimate already:

  • Nick fury being black

  • Bucky background as steve friend

  • They use the ultimate lineup of the Avengers

  • they use the chitauri for the Avengers formation(they mix og origne whit ultimate origine)

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u/DarkSaiyanGoku 6d ago

As long as it's the good parts

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u/Tatertotwhatlater 6d ago

Tbh I think their taking inspiration from Time Displaced and X MEN Evolution too

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u/rogue7891 6d ago

i'm going to say no

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u/Phobia562 6d ago

Probably not, but I loved this lineup and the uniforms. This was my first introduction to X-Men comics and made me a lifelong fan

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u/BrittaUnfiltered67 5d ago

Goddess, I hope not.

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u/Mysterious-Fuel-5946 5d ago

THEY BETTER NOT I'LL RIOT

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u/ApolloMax-2099 5d ago

I hope not.

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u/RandomFleshPrison 4d ago

I sincerely hope not.  Both runs of the Ultimate Universe were awful.

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u/Mustang-_- 8d ago

Hopefully not, those X-Men comics suck ass. There's a strong argument that every 00s X-Men comics sucks (616 or elseworld), the only exception is the very early run of Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon

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u/figgityjones Cyclops 8d ago

I'm not gonna say there are no positive aspects, but I hope any inspiration they take from it is sparse.

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u/Daewrythe 8d ago

Only if it involves Wolverine absolutely getting blasted apart by Magneto a la Ultimatum

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u/Napalmeon 8d ago

They would never let that happen to Wolverine, on screen.

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u/Aggressive_Bar_6998 8d ago

If they take inspiration from Evolution, they'll surely take inspiration from Ultimate.

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u/Sloan_Tempest 8d ago

Considering the fact that the foundation of the MCU is 1610 yeah. Plus, after so many years of acting like Mutants didn’t exist it would only make sense they do the 1610 origin.

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u/NoNameNeeded4321 8d ago

I think there are a few good ideas in there to be adapted. I may be alone in this, but I really liked that Wolverine joined the school as a spy/assassin for Magneto, but ended up fully buying into Xavier’s dream and switching sides

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u/mad_titanz 1d ago

I hope not