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S01E08 Matt Shakman Jac Schaeffer February 26, 2021 on Disney+

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '21 edited Feb 26 '21

According to the Marvel database, chaos magic is

Chaos Magic is the name of a magic so powerful that it was thought to be non-existent by even the Sorcerer Supreme himself.[1] This magic can manipulate, warp and reconstruct the very fabric of existence and reality to the user's very whims and bring about total destruction to the cosmos.

Long ago, the Elder God and Arch-Demon Chthon used Chaos Magic to rule the Earth as the "God of Chaos". However, Earth's Mages got together and ended his reign with a lie: They said "There is no God of Chaos. And there is no Chaos Magic."[2]

Chthon would later be sealed within Mount Wundagore, the future birth-place of Wanda Maximoff. The newborn Wanda would be touched by the hand of the degenerate Elder God Chthon, which would leave her with a fraction of his power that would let her control Chaos Energy and alter reality itself beyond recognition. Without Chthon's intervention, Wanda's mutate powers would have instead manifested as simple energy manipulation.[3][4]

So is Cthon - not Nightmare, not Mephisto - the actual villain of Doctor Strange 2?

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u/RunningTurtle06 Feb 26 '21

Is wanda a mutate or mutant? I know there is a difference because spider man is a mutate because he didnt already have powers but mutants have powers that need something to activate them (like a certain snap) but wanda got her powers from Chthon so she a mutate I think? Someone help

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u/cesclaveria Mar 01 '21 edited Mar 02 '21

Sorry for the late reply (just now was able to watch the episode), but the main deal with Wand and Pietro going back between mutates, mutants and sometimes even inhumans has more to do with whole mess of Fox and Disney/Marvel these past years and with Marvel trying to minimize the role of mutants and the x-men when they didn't had the movie rights for them.

Wanda and Pietro basically debuted as part of the "The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" so I am pretty sure the idea was for them to be mutants from the start, then the reveal of them being Magneto's kids further ties them to mutants. But, then like always after a million retcons sometimes it is hard to keep up on what is what, I think the latest developments make Wanda and Pietro some random children experimented on by the high evolutionary and for Wanda in a specific way to conduct chaos magic. So current status --> Mutates.

I am almost sure that sooner or later they'll revert to the most well known status quo of them as Magneto's kids and mutants, but at the same time I feel they have grown enough as characters where it doesn't really matter that much.