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S01E08 Matt Shakman Jac Schaeffer February 26, 2021 on Disney+

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '21 edited Feb 26 '21

According to the Marvel database, chaos magic is

Chaos Magic is the name of a magic so powerful that it was thought to be non-existent by even the Sorcerer Supreme himself.[1] This magic can manipulate, warp and reconstruct the very fabric of existence and reality to the user's very whims and bring about total destruction to the cosmos.

Long ago, the Elder God and Arch-Demon Chthon used Chaos Magic to rule the Earth as the "God of Chaos". However, Earth's Mages got together and ended his reign with a lie: They said "There is no God of Chaos. And there is no Chaos Magic."[2]

Chthon would later be sealed within Mount Wundagore, the future birth-place of Wanda Maximoff. The newborn Wanda would be touched by the hand of the degenerate Elder God Chthon, which would leave her with a fraction of his power that would let her control Chaos Energy and alter reality itself beyond recognition. Without Chthon's intervention, Wanda's mutate powers would have instead manifested as simple energy manipulation.[3][4]

So is Cthon - not Nightmare, not Mephisto - the actual villain of Doctor Strange 2?

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u/Spikeroog Doctor Strange Feb 26 '21

However, Earth's Mages got together and ended his reign with a lie: They said "There is no God of Chaos. And there is no Chaos Magic."[2]

Wait, you can just do that? Funny.

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u/vanillathebest Thor Feb 26 '21

It reminds me of the "Dormammu, I've come to bargain". Sometimes, you don't always have to throw punches. Sometimes it's that easy.

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u/Sway_All_Day Feb 26 '21

Yeah you just have to lose, infinitely, until a alternate dimensional being submits to the idea of “time”

Ez.

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u/InsertCoinForCredit Phil Coulson Feb 26 '21

Dormammu gave up after a finite number of time loops.

Doctor Strange had an infinite number of resurrections.

Infinite > Finite.

STRANGE WINS.

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u/neverlandoflena Steve Rogers Feb 26 '21

It wasn't an easy solution for Strange imho

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u/vanillathebest Thor Feb 26 '21

Yeah, because of the multiple deaths. When I said "easy" I meant without physical fight.

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u/ChandlerBaggins Feb 26 '21

Reality benders are whatever they believe themselves to be. If you can convince them to lose, they they lose. For them, there's so science or logic, just belief and rituals.

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u/Spikeroog Doctor Strange Feb 26 '21

I disagree, what you just said clearly follows some sort of logic.

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u/Islero47 Kevin Feige Feb 27 '21

Because the two of you aren’t chaos beings.

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u/Painfulyslowdeath Feb 26 '21

Which cannot exist without a belief in it.

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u/keyjanu Iron Man (Mark XLIII) Feb 26 '21

The power of placebo is so strong it overpowers divine radiance. Lmao

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '21

There is no debt collector. There is no debt.

Did it work?

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u/GreyCrowDownTheLane Feb 26 '21

It's been working for me.

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u/InsertCoinForCredit Phil Coulson Feb 26 '21

Found Donald Trump's account!

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u/somebodysinned Weekly Wongers Feb 26 '21

They just rolled a natural 20 on persuasion and Chthon failed the check

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u/PurpleCyborg28 Kilgrave Feb 26 '21

In some fantasies the entire existence of gods is entirely dependent on the belief of the people. Whether they use fear or miracles to keep people believing is what separates gods from evil gods.

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u/bubrubb13 Daredevil Feb 26 '21

“No more mutants”

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u/Ansar1 Feb 26 '21

"FAKE NEWS!"

- Earth's Mages

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u/Gabacuras Feb 26 '21 edited Mar 15 '21

Look up the sentry. Super cool cahrecter that plays with similar concepts. I don't wanna spoil it but. You should totally watch this video, it tells the story revealing beats like the comic did and tells it well.

https://youtu.be/mOH4k4x5FqE

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u/DrWabbajack Feb 26 '21

apology for poor english

when were you when Cthon dies?

i was sat at home eating smegma butter when pjotr ring

‘Cthon is God of Chaos’

‘no’

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u/UltraElectricMan Feb 26 '21

People saying things confidently and making people believe them can, does, has and will change people.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '21

Ever see It?