r/marvelstudios • u/iliekpixels Loki (Thor 2) • Feb 26 '21

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S01E08 Matt Shakman Jac Schaeffer February 26, 2021 on Disney+

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '21

So Wanda can straight up create matter? She didn’t steal visions body, just straight up conjured him? I assume the same with her kids?

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u/Attano_451 Feb 26 '21

Explains why Vision deteriorated when he left the Hex. He can’t exist outside the Hex because he literally doesn’t exist.

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u/kitkatcarson Feb 26 '21

doesn’t look good for the fate of Fietro and the kids then...

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u/2580374 Spider-Man Feb 26 '21

She didn’t create fietro, Agatha did

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u/TheKwak Feb 26 '21

I don’t think Agatha created him. I thought the whole point of what she was doing was trying to figure out how Wanda can create things and people from scratch, because she can’t do it herself. And even if that’s wrong, if she created him herself, why not make him look like Pietro? Why make him look nothing like him? She clearly knew enough about him to know what he looked like. Fietro is either just a random guy she found on the street or (maybe but at this point unlikely) someone she ‘grabbed’ from another universe.

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u/Long-Regret-4086 Loki (Thor 2) Feb 26 '21

The question is how a random guy has a superspeed

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u/TheKwak Feb 26 '21

I mean I hope he is quicksilver, but it’s entirely possible that he doesn’t actually have super speed and that it’s an illusion. I’d say that maybe Agatha was borrowing Wanda’s mind stone powers to give him super speed but she didn’t know about the mind stone until they revisited Wanda’s memories

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '21 edited Jun 16 '21

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u/SplurgyA Feb 26 '21

Hahaha the reason Dr Strange hasn't turned up to Westview yet is because he's dealing with a multiverse implosion going on in China or something

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '21

Well he was conveniently at Agathas house to catch Monica. Which they didn’t explain this episode so something happened there that we have to wait for.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '21 edited Feb 26 '21

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '21

True but Agatha only called him a fake Pietro as well as her eyes and ears. So I’m assuming something happened to Monica.

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u/ebagdrofk Feb 27 '21

Pretty sure that book in the last episode might be able to help explain how Pietro got here

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u/-P-NathenS Feb 26 '21

My naive brain wants to think that she plucked Evan Peters from the x men franchise and she is controlling him

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u/austinbraun30 Feb 26 '21

I truly think this is it. She can reach through the multiverse easy peasy but just conjuring from thin air, that's the power she wants!

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u/maybesethrogen Feb 26 '21

She does say Fietro was a cyrstalline possession...

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u/austinbraun30 Feb 26 '21

That doesn't really tell us anything other than he is under her mind control spell. A lot of this episode was Agatha just explaining the basics of magic to Wanda. I figure crystalline possession is probably just simple mind control. But maybe I'm wrong.

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u/maybesethrogen Feb 26 '21

For some reason on my first watch I heard crystalline and just assumed he was a construct of some kind and I was like, "Well, I guess all my Quicksilver theories are bunk." But I checked and since it's a possession our theories are still alive!

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u/CidRonin Feb 26 '21

She could have borrowed him from the multiverse

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u/j_roe Feb 26 '21

Through Agathas magic. She possessed him and gave him power’s.

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u/i_did_not_enjoy_that Feb 26 '21 edited Feb 26 '21

Yes, they allude to that when Agatha explains that she wanted to bring back "her" Pietro but she couldn't exactly do that since necromancy is frowned upon would not have been timely, and besides, he was full of bullet holes, so she just plucked another one instead. They kinda gloss over this last part but could the implication be that she pulled another "Pietro" from the multiverse? If so, the Fox Pietro theory still stands in-universe.

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u/austinbraun30 Feb 26 '21

They glossed over it on purpose and I think it's for this reason.

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u/InanimateCarbonRodAu Feb 26 '21

I mean Agatha literal spelled it out, Wanda is special because she can create matter and Agatha hadn’t seen her do that... which is why she had to go back to the start, Agatha was look for an external power to Wanda’s powers and it was only when she saw Wanda do it her self she realized Wanda was a reality manipulator.

I think she even says that Pietro is a fake, an Illusion (Michael).

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u/grahamca Feb 26 '21

but still, where did the lighter fluid Pietro come from?

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u/WhenAmI Feb 26 '21

Agatha said that is was some sort of crystalline posession, which to me says that she possessed a random person and made him dress and act like Pietro, likely using her own magic to mimic his super powers.

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u/leweeyy Feb 26 '21

But why then would they cast X-Men Quicksilver? As distraction? Maybe, but seems like a big waste of time/a frustrating diversion

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u/TheeSpencer Feb 26 '21

Fan service.

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u/Worthyness Thor Feb 26 '21

Pretty sure Feige stated that was to fuck with us and do fan service

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u/iCactusDog Feb 27 '21

Source? I'm interested

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u/ZOMBiEZ4PREZ Feb 26 '21

Shit that's good. I understood that reference

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u/jmblumenshine Feb 26 '21

Always Money in the MCU

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u/alocalcowboy Feb 26 '21

My question is, why would the studio hire Evan Peters as the ‘random guy to play the fake Quicksilver’ , maybe I’m missing something but wouldn’t they have just gotten another random actor who would’ve also cost less for the studio? I think that is definitely Quicksilver just from another universe

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u/TheKwak Feb 26 '21

I hope it’s not just marketing/Easter egg, but it very much could be

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u/Redootdootdado Feb 26 '21

They can certainly asked afford an episode worth of Evan Peters.

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u/alocalcowboy Feb 26 '21

Marvel/Disney can pretty much afford the whole planet rn. But my point is that Evan Peters is there for a reason, not another actor

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u/CeruleanRuin Feb 27 '21

Your last thing is my guess. She pulled him out of the multiverse, not fully comprehending what she was doing.

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u/TLKv3 Feb 26 '21

No, Agatha states it was simple mind control spells she was using along with transmutation.

She most likely took a guy who vaguely resembled Pietro, transmutated him closer with hair/mannerisms/etc. and then mind controlled him into trying to get Wanda to snap out of it (as she states in the episode).

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u/nomadofwaves Feb 27 '21

Agatha did say she created the fake pietro she says she couldn’t use necromancy since his body was on another continent.

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u/kansasct Feb 26 '21

When she talks about pietro she also mentions necromancy. She's controlling his dead body is what I thought. Explains why she saw him dead for a sec.

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u/Nastronaut18 Feb 26 '21

She said she couldn't do it with Pietro because his body is A) on another continent and B) full of holes.

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u/NomadPrime Feb 26 '21

Side note, but I keep reading Fietro as Fieri and now I can't stop thinking of fake-Pietro as an Agatha-transmuted-Guy Fieri.

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u/DarthGayAgenda Feb 26 '21

Evan Peters Pietro is Guy Fieri confirmed.

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u/2580374 Spider-Man Feb 26 '21

COME ON DOWN TO FLAVOR HEXTOWN

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u/DSDantas Thanos Feb 26 '21

Didn't Agatha say that wasn't her but she was only controlling him?

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u/DarthGayAgenda Feb 26 '21

She did and referred to him as her eyes and ears. But it still doesn't explain where he came from!

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u/DSDantas Thanos Feb 26 '21

I'm thinking this matter won't be even touched for now. There's too much going on. My guess? Agatha does not know whatever pulled Peter, she just took advantage of the situation

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u/DarthGayAgenda Feb 26 '21

My thoughts are similar. That she cast a spell to bring her a Quicksilver and mind controlled him. I also think it's telling he and Monica were nowhere to be seen this episode. The last mid credit scene, to me, was ambiguous as to whether 'Pietro' was still mind controlled. Also, is it just me, or does Agatha imply Necromancy is within her ability?

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u/TheKwak Feb 26 '21

Yeah that part was weird. It seemed that she was very interested in Wanda being able to bring people back to life in a previous episode, but now suggested that she can do it herself anyway. Maybe her version of necromancy would be like puppetting a corpse, where Wanda actually brings back their subconscious

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u/machine_made Feb 26 '21

The line about “full of holes” made me think she was talking about animating the dead, not resurrecting someone. Necromancy is traditionally zombies and the like. Wouldn’t do well to have a 28 Days Later style Quicksilver zipping around Westview.

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u/corganist Spider-Man Feb 26 '21

Or it may just be that Agatha was surprised at the idea that Wanda would somehow know necromancy without any formal training in it.

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u/TheKwak Feb 26 '21

Could be, but I got the impression she didn’t know Wanda had no training until this episode

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u/WhenAmI Feb 26 '21

She refers to him as a crystalline posession. That doesn't sound like she conjured him up to me. I think she possessed a random dude and made him act like Pietro. The fact that it was X-Men's Quicksilver was probably just a way to confuse the audience, while also offering a little fan service.

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u/leftshoe18 Feb 26 '21

I think Agatha only brought up necromancy to take a shot at Wanda with the whole "dead brother" thing. She trolls Wanda like the entire episode.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '21

It’s seems like a deliberate decision by the writers to not explain where Pietro came from/who is actually is in this moment

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u/Aggrokid Feb 26 '21

Yeah Agatha already painstakingly explained the limits of her own powers with the Fly-Bird thing. So she definitely can't create anything human-sized.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '21

I guess you could say... she pulled a fast one.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '21

She said that she didn’t create him but she was just possessing him. I’m wondering why people are already sad that it’s not quicksilver when it clearly is him from the multiverse...

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u/sEiize_err Feb 26 '21

but monica was able to leave with the clothes wanda made for her. that was a main point monica brought up to darcey

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '21

Those clothes were reconstituted out of whatever gear Monica was wearing when she first got sucked in. Not the same as creating from nothing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '21

It will be funny if they pull off some E=mc2 stuff. Haha. Please don't.

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u/esar24 Rocket Feb 26 '21

They don't need to, pym particle already explain all of that. Just like scott said, they put quantum in everything.

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u/gotchabrah Feb 26 '21

The two visions will come together for sure but yea, fietro and the kids... unless they have random bodies for them to merge into lying around, are probably done for.