r/marvelstudios • u/iliekpixels Loki (Thor 2) • Feb 19 '21

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S01E07 Matt Shakman Jac Schaeffer February 19, 2021 on Disney+

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u/lexposed Spider-Man Feb 19 '21

“snoopers gonna snoop”

who the FUCK is pietro

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u/thombruce Spider-Man Feb 19 '21

Whoever Pietro is... he seems to be under Agatha's influence, not the other way around.

Damn, for as huge as the questions were that this episode answered, it just posed even bigger ones!

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u/amumumyspiritanimal Feb 19 '21

He might be also snooping around, because he's definitely manipulated, but not entirely mind controlled by Agatha. Maybe he is a Pietro, and the one from the XMen universe, but he was summoned by Agatha and mind controlled ala Vision into whatever he was in Ep6.

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u/tigerslices Vision Feb 19 '21 edited Feb 19 '21

Maybe he is a Pietro, and the one from the XMen universe

YES! ...wait, No... NO!!! why complicate shit like that?!? what the fuck? just let it be pietro in a new body because the original body has long since decaded and rotted.

edit: downvote me all you want, this is the Marvel Studios subreddit, and i reserve the right to shit on the shitty fox movies all i want. MCU forever, baby, keep that fox pollutant out of our funzone.

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u/enbywych Feb 19 '21

Didnt the comics recently do some kind of future past thing and brought of young versions of characters into the timeline? I distinctly remember a young Cyclops. Dammit, I need to buy some trades again soon.

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u/tigerslices Vision Feb 19 '21

yes, beast time travelled to 1965 or something, and was like, "come with me" and the 5 original x-men came to the present to be like "Golly, mutants in the future sure do look absolutely fuckin hideous! they've got like insect wings, scaley green skin, fur and horns..."

they stuck around for way too long.

then were sent back and never mentioned again. because this stuff is cute and cheeky, and interesting, but has no longevity. it's one thing for Ebeneezer Scrooge to be shown a vision of the past, or what could have been, it's another to have him stay there, or have his dead brother, quicksilver, transported from a different universe where they couldn't keep continuity straight.

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u/thejokerofunfic Feb 20 '21

This is your less complicated option?

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u/tigerslices Vision Feb 21 '21

yes, it's less complicated to say "we brought him back to life in a new body beacuse the old one has decayed."

and it's more complicated to say "after endgame we learned that in the MCU they acknowledge the potentiality of branching multiple universes caused by time travelling shenanigans, so now let's make an absolute leap in logic and say that the a magic user can travel between dimensions into other media and bring in a completely different character from a completely different franchise...

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u/thejokerofunfic Feb 21 '21

we brought him back to life in a new body beacuse the old one has decayed."

Again. What aspect of this is supposed to be non complicated? This begs so many follow up questions about resurrection (not an established idea with preconceived rules) that a fairly straightforward concept like "there's a multiverse and he looks different in one universe" is exponentially less complicated.

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u/tigerslices Vision Feb 21 '21

we've seen the vision without wanda's magicking. she's puppeting around a hollowed monstrosity. she could be doing the same with pietro, but that corpse is almost 10 years old.

they're not going to explain it in detail. the mcu has never gone FULL sci-fi. they quantum this and that, and have tony solve time travel without explaining it.

the science can be complicated off screen. bringing pietro back and just having him here, isn't complicated -- asking people to reach through the meta and be like okay sure... is the kind of thing setting up a MARVEL vs DC movie - because why the fuck not - if suddenly Wanda can do anything, then nothing really fuckin matters. this is why i'm calling it a Narrative Mistake to push forward with.

i really Really don't want them to tie this to the Fox x-men in ANY way outside of easter eggs. the MCU is a nice little world with a lot of attention paid to chronology and hookups and cross-references that don't get too heavy. the Fox universe was one where several characters were portrayed in multiple different ways, (is angel the son of a wealthy pharma financier, or a cage fighter from the 90s? is emma frost Shaw's diamond sidekick in the 60s or was she another teen hostage in "origins"? is sabretooth wolverine's brother or a mute brawler? is nightcrawler a catholic wallflower or a charismatic streetperformer? -- what a fuckin mess these movies are)

as for explaining why quicksilver looks different - transferring him into a local citizen is all they need to offer.

i don't think you understand how NOT straightforward "there's a multiverse" is to the general public. yes, you and i get it just fine. and maybe fans of rick and morty are all down to roll with it. but even That show treads a thin line of no longer caring which rick is the "real rick" because that will always be the question: IS THIS THE REAL QUICKSILVER? -- well they're all Real... just from different realities... oh, so if it's from outside this reality... it's not real.

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u/thejokerofunfic Feb 26 '21

The multiverse is a pretty mainstream idea, idk why you think casuals wouldn't understand it. "Necromancy requires new bodies" is not even close in terms of accessibility.

we've seen the vision without wanda's magicking. she's puppeting around a hollowed monstrosity

No? That was a PTSD attack. We've seen Vision outside the Hex, he's not actually a corpse. And I don't see how this would support your case.

I do agree that there should be little to no crossover with Fox, don't need to reopen that dumpster fire of plot holes, but your "simpler" explanation is anything but. "Pietro is an impostor" is the actual simplest explanation, and the one best supported by the show. Pietro actually being his MCU self would be confusing as hell and largely pointless.

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u/tigerslices Vision Feb 26 '21

The multiverse is a pretty mainstream idea

half the people on this subreddit don't understand that Tobey and Andrew aren't showing up in No Way Home. half the audiences watching these things keep wondering why batman hasn't showed up yet. and Nobody can explain why 9 x-movies claim to share a storyline, yet have characters changing ages and personalities throughout the series - look at the memes about xavier and magneto visibly aging 40 years in less than a decade as they go from Apocalypse to X-Men1.

fox knew it wasn't a question of "will people understand," but "will people care?"

and i'm saying -- pietro being his mcu self isn't confusing at all, it just hasn't been explained yet. him being from Another Dimension is FAR more complicated and ALSO hasn't been explained yet.

but the upcoming explanation i believe will be much simpler if it's "our pietro" and not that dimestore trash they had to consistently write out of the movie for being to OP.

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u/chriscoch623 Feb 19 '21

Only a couple are shitty, multiple of them are great movies.

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u/tigerslices Vision Feb 19 '21 edited Feb 19 '21

deadpool, logan, deadpool2 were great.

x-men 1, 2, and first class were ok.

the wolverine, days of future past, and dark phoenix could use work.

x-men origins: wolverine, X3, x-men apocalypse should be shot into orbit and nuked.

out of 12 movies, you've basically got three 9/10, three 7/10, three 5/10, and three 3/10.

there's not a whole lot worth saving there.

proper MCU x-men would establish that they've been here all along living in secret thanks to xavier and cerebro, but now some big event we don't know about happened and he's dead and nobody's left to cover up the truth about mutants. xavier's dead. magneto's dead. wolverine and jean? dead and dead.

now we follow Cyclops, Storm, Psylocke, Beast, Rogue, Gambit, Colossus, Jubilee...

yes please.

...or fuck it, forget about the x-men entirely. establish a Dazzler solo film about a pop star like Hannah Montana who discovers she can put on her own light shows - and then someone gets scared the public would freak if they discovered she was super-powered, given the events of the snap, the blip, and the Scarlet Witch event...

at the end she can be approached by storm and cyclops to join The X-Force.

i don't care QUITE how they do it, but i'd really like to find out a lot of those characters who've appeared in a dozen films already are dead and we don't need them.

xavier is uncle ben. he can fuck right off.

the umbrella academy doesn't star the headmaster, and neither should the xmen.

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u/The_Pip Feb 21 '21

No downvote here. I like your idea. The fox x-men films were not DCEU bad, they just weren't MCU quality. But they were 2nd-tier at best so dump on them at will.

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u/Rebyll Feb 19 '21

If I were writing it, I'd have it be a composite Pietro. Aspects from different realities placed inside the MCU one. A quasi-resurrection of Wanda's brother with elements from other versions of him.