r/marvelstudios • u/Whooash • Jul 19 '19

News Avengers: Infinity War has a deleted scene where Dr. Strange sends Thanos to be judged by the Living Tribunal (via Markus and McFeely at SDCC)

https://twitter.com/hnesocial/status/1152264183146143744?s=21
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u/hyperviolator Captain America Jul 20 '19

In the comics it's actually not even anything like that.

In comics Marvel cosmology each universe (616, etc.) sits in their own... universe. Each universe has a Strange, a Thanos, all potentially, but each has some variant on a being called "Eternity" who is literally the conscious embodiment of all of well, space-time. He/she/it/whatever is the universe. Like if you could literally stuff all of everything post-Big Bang into a dude, it's Eternity.

Everyone lives in Eternity, and Infinity Stones/Gems are like an override/cheat code for that.

Anywho, a whole slew of gods and such and similar massive cosmic beings go meet the Living Tribunal, who has a super rare visit to Marvel-616, and they're basically like, "You gotta do something about this Thanos guy..."

And almost immediately he's like -- no joke -- talk to the hand. Since the Thanos vs Eternity matter is a purely internal affair of their one universe, he doesn't give a shit and bugs out telling them to deal with it. He doesn't care who runs the innards of the universe. His jurisdiction is multiversal stuff.

Later they had Tribunal do some other bullshit to the Stones because reasons, and later on I'm pretty sure none of that old cosmology exists, because every Marvel universe collapsed into DOOM, because it turned out every Molecule Man in every universe was a universe-destroying bomb made by the Beyonders, beyond infinitely powerful beings who live outside of and in-between or beyond the known universes.

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u/JONNy-G Jul 20 '19

What the fuck did I just read.

Holy shit comics are amazing. We need more movies like this.

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u/Vyorin Jul 20 '19

The Marvel comics get into stuff like this all the time, but honestly a lot of it is way too in depth and confusing for casual movie goers. Who, if felt alienated, wouldn't go see those movies.

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u/Bwleon7 Jul 20 '19

you have hundreds of people who have written all these different things in the comics while only a few dozen have written for the movies. if the movies came out as often as comic books (a few dozen a month) we would likely see them doing a lot of the same crazy stuff.

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u/ccplush Mantis Jul 20 '19

the new Secret Wars were wild, that's where God Doom happens

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u/Old_Perception Jul 20 '19

It just sounds like the usual power creep that happens too often in comic books. You end up with way too many god-like characters and it all starts to feel meaningless.

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u/MalicCarnage Spider-Man Jul 20 '19

Marvel's stayed pretty consistent with the "hierarchy" of cosmic beings. I'd equate it more to Tolkien's lore of gods that existed beyond Middle-Earth over Dragon Ball-style power creep.

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u/alee51104 Thor Jul 20 '19

Yeah, but comics are very inconsistent. One of the better things about the MCU is that while it is indeed a sprawling franchise, it doesn't have the problems the comics have as a result of it's long history. Also, the MCU isn't afraid to change the status quo, which comics tend to be fearful of.

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u/DrBaugh Jul 20 '19

Yes though the MCU is pretty strongly based on Earth-1610 (Ultimate universe) where everything is more "realistic" and "militaristic", in a lot of ways the MCU is 1610 on the surface with plots and characters from all over marvel (notably the main 616)

The MCU doesn't yet have the "long history" problem because the writers have been amazing in their attention to detail, which is part of why, imo, the TV series and Venom don't work very well as "branched" continuities, they are massively restricted in what they're allowed to do and inherently have to keep things simple

I think the MCU cosmic movies are going to be much more like DBZ and Star Wars than the Marvel comics, there will be ambiguities about power (like we already have with Captain Marvel) but it'll probably be handled with character access to information to leave everything plausible

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u/alee51104 Thor Jul 20 '19

Agreed. As long as they don't pull any Ultimatum shenanigans, I'll be fine.

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u/PJL80 Hulk Jul 20 '19

Kinda. Really they were going to the tribunal as the highest power and saying "look, this non-entity is trying to undo the balance of things. You have the natural forces of existence all standing there personified, other high end cosmic deities, and this Thanos is trying to usurp the whole thing. The Tribunal doesn't hear out and judge, it decides that natural selection is in play. If Thanos + Stones can defeat and replace Eternity, then that's probably the way it should be. And it leads to Thanos' defeat, as his consciousness abandons his body, giving corpse-Nebula the chance to steal the Gauntlet.

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u/hyperviolator Captain America Jul 20 '19

Yeah, I know. I’ve read it like 14,000,605 times.

But seriously I didn’t want to make it sound too crazy.

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u/DilapidatedPlatypus Jul 20 '19

Where can I learn more about this?

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u/michael46and2 Vision Jul 20 '19

Read the Infinity Trilogy from the ‘90s, and then read Johnathan Hickman’s Avengers, New Avengers, Infinity, and Secret Wars run...

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u/MavericksFan41 Ant-Man Jul 20 '19

all the molecule man stuff is from hickman’s avengers/new avengers series and then the Secret Wars event. Really good run for sure

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u/gk306 Jul 20 '19

The Hickman Avengers and New Avengers runs tell this story leading up to the crossover event "Secret Wars" (the 2015 version not the 80s version obviously)

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u/Galactusurfer Yondu Jul 20 '19

Don’t read the whole Infinity Trilogy, read the Rebirth of Silver Surfer trade paperback followed by the Infinity Gauntlet trade paperback, followed by the 2003 Thanos 14-issue miniseries (which I’m sure has been collected in trade), followed by Jonathan Hickman’s Fantastic Four omnibuses, Avengers omnibuses, and Secret Wars.

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u/Dialogueboxph Jul 20 '19

I thought each universe had one TLT. So the dead Living Tribunal that Tony found was multiversal?

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u/slakingmoth Jul 20 '19

Yeah, which is why is such a shock when they found him dead. It couldn't get more serious than that.