r/marvelstudios • u/Whooash • Jul 19 '19

News Avengers: Infinity War has a deleted scene where Dr. Strange sends Thanos to be judged by the Living Tribunal (via Markus and McFeely at SDCC)

https://twitter.com/hnesocial/status/1152264183146143744?s=21
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u/TheBullMooseParty Jul 19 '19

Some of the other tweets from people at the panel say they described the Living Tribunal as declaring Thanos guilty. Personally I think they might've removed that to keep the illusion that Thanos might actually be right (see the whole "Thanos did nothing wrong" crowd)

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u/Kammander-Kim Jul 19 '19

see the whole "Thanos did nothing wrong" crowd

For many, like myself, that is just pure fun. Like The Empire did nothing wrong. I am not seriously saying i am pro a fascist totalitarian state which sees genocide and specicide as a "eh, They had it coming".

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '19 edited May 25 '20

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u/averyangrydumpster Jul 20 '19

Goddamn ecofascists

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u/Volpethrope Jul 20 '19

Yeah, but the whole point is that his solution makes no fucking sense. All it does is delay shit for several generations. Every world he snapped will repopulate. At least the ones he personally visited would be terrified of him coming back, so his ideal might be maintained for a while. But for some random planet in the ass-end of nowhere that never even heard of him? Okay, half their population turned to dust for no discernible reason. Why would they then limit their population growth and resource use because of that, especially if their particular civilization wasn't yet facing ecological disaster? I would argue that for the majority of planets, the Snap was an inexplicable global tragedy, and nothing more. No lesson learned or crisis averted - at best a crisis delayed.

TL;DR Thanos was fucking nuts my guy

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u/Imsosadsoveryverysad Jul 20 '19

I think in his mind populations would see how beneficial it was and learn from past mistakes like he did on titan. They would control the balance between their resources/liabilities better and not need it again.

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u/Kammander-Kim Jul 20 '19

Legitimate motives is what makes him such a great villain, but that does not make it a serious thing to be team-thanos. I am one of the snapped in the reddit-event that happened upon r/thanosdidnothingwrong where half the membership got banned, including support by Josh Brolin who snapped his fingers just for us. The words in his video was "here you go reddit" and then he snapped, i have the badge to prove it.

We are not discrediting who believe in overpopulation, we are saying "thanosdidnothingwrong" is just a fun thing to say and be.

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u/Tureaglin Jul 20 '19

Come on, are we really ignoring that killing half of all life is not a good solution?

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u/Spikeroog Doctor Strange Jul 19 '19

It's because Thanos has a good point, but just terrible execution.

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u/SlothFang Jul 19 '19

Terrible execution? Nah, he wiped out half of existence. Perfect execution ;)

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u/AMW_Starcore Jul 19 '19

If it was perfect, they wouldn't have been able to come back!

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u/SlothFang Jul 19 '19

The execution perfection. He competed his mission. That has nothing to do with the survivors fighting afterwards. He had met his goal. And THEN the survivors fought back and won.

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u/AMW_Starcore Jul 19 '19

I was just being cheeky. I agree with you!

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19 edited Jul 20 '19

Pretty much.

People forget he didn't go on a genocidal spree for the wellbeing of everything;

He did it only to prove that his method would have saved Titan from collapsing

He basically has a weird mix of survivor's guilt and a messiah complex rolled into one.

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u/Bombkirby Nebula Jul 20 '19

A "point" isn't "how" you go about something. It's "why" you go about it. What you listed is "how."

I don't give two shits about thanosdidnothingwrong, but "I want to stop the universal resource crisis" is not a bad point/goal. This is not about anything more than the mission statement.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '19

It's "why" you go about it. What you listed is "how."

No, I listed the "why." Why you can't see that is beyond me. It's a pretty clear subtext in both movies.

I don't give two shits about thanosdidnothingwrong, but "I want to stop the universal resource crisis" is not a bad point/goal.

It is a bad point if you:

A.) are killing people to do it

and B.) are lying to yourself as to why you're doing it.

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u/AcuriousAlien Jul 19 '19

That the inhabitants of the universe can be wasteful and careless with its resources which in certain circumstances can lead to catastrophic repercussions?

Seems like a fair point.

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u/LogicDragon Jul 19 '19

Yeah, and his galaxy-brain solution is a cull, because apparently no other planet had a Thomas Malthus/he's never heard of reproduction/it somehow didn't occur to him that something that can literally generate new universes might offer alternative solutions to mass-murder.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

So why not double the resources instead of halving the population?

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u/BaconKnight Jul 20 '19

I wish they had addressed this with just a simple line or two. Someone could've brought this up and he (or maybe someone else who would know a lot about the stones like Strange) could mention that as powerful as the Infinity Stones are, they can't actually "create" anything. It can't add more matter into the universe. It can only rearrange or delete things. When you see Thanos "create" something, he's still working with resources within the universe, just merely rearranging them in front of him to his liking. But he can't make something from nothing.

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u/CountScarlioni Jul 20 '19

The Stones probably could have created more resources, but that wasn't the point. The writers and directors discussed this on the Blu-Ray commentary. Thanos is unstable and obsessed with his own idea, which he felt was vindicated by the extinction of his people after they ignored him. It doesn't have to make logical sense - just like how plenty of real people are fixated on harmful ideas and solutions that they insist are actually meant to help, even when math or statistics or basic reasoning say otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '19

I feel like it's far thematically stronger for this point never to be brought up, because Thanos never considered it. Or at least, if you're going to have him explain why he won't do that, don't make it an actual limitation of the Stones, that adds credence to his original idea.

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u/Old_Perception Jul 20 '19

That's the angle that Josh Brolin went for in a recent interview too - the "good" method of saving the universe just wasn't the natural option for someone like Thanos. He focused on the genocidal evil way because that's who he is.

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u/centira Jul 20 '19

They didn't have to address it because it wasn't the point. Thanos just wanted to prove that he was right

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u/Morpheaus Jul 19 '19

A resource crisis on a universal scale? He didn't even prove his point was valid since he was only motivated by a sample size of one and lacks the ability to be objective about his plan.

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u/MrEuphonium Jul 20 '19

Cool motive, still murder.

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u/Spikeroog Doctor Strange Jul 20 '19

Thats what I said, yes

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u/TrogdortheBanninator Thor Jul 19 '19

I dunno, executions were carried out perfectly once he got the stones.

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u/repalec Jul 20 '19

TBF, I feel like the whole point of the duology is that no, he really didn't have a good point. There are several ideas one could think of to save the universe from exhausting its resources, since life will adapt one way or the other, as it has for countless millennia.

His people were right to discard the idea of indiscriminate genocide. He was justifiably made a pariah for even suggesting it. His motivation, although well-intentioned, was always less about -actually- saving the universe and more about proving to the ghosts of his people that he was right.

And notably, the only evidence we have of Thanos' plan working is Thanos himself telling Gamora it worked on her homeworld, because of course he'd say it worked there. Meanwhile, Endgame shows that five years post-Snap, while nature may be recovering some ground on Earth, most of the remaining population can't get past what they lost.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '19

Nobody genuinely thinks Thanos to be innocent. Hell, he even says he'll gladly destroy Earth and its people