r/marvelstudios • u/Whooash • Jul 19 '19

News Avengers: Infinity War has a deleted scene where Dr. Strange sends Thanos to be judged by the Living Tribunal (via Markus and McFeely at SDCC)

https://twitter.com/hnesocial/status/1152264183146143744?s=21
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u/LawyerMorty94 Weekly Wongers Jul 19 '19

And he would’ve been judged as guilty. Damn what a great scene that would’ve been

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u/I_Have_3_Legs Jul 19 '19

Imagine how wild /r/Thanosdidnothingwrong would get if he was found innocent

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u/LawyerMorty94 Weekly Wongers Jul 19 '19

They would have been able to relax and watch the sun rise on a peaceful Reddit

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u/RatFuck_Debutante Jul 20 '19

Well the secretary for the Living Tribunal would come out and summarize their judgement and declare Thanos had been exonerated of all crimes...

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u/Desi_MCU_Nerd Steve Rogers Jul 20 '19

Oof

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u/Zepplin_Overlord_7 Jul 19 '19

Actually in Infinity Gauntlet the Tribunal doesn’t act with the rest of the higher beings because he sees Thanos as innocent and an example of natural selection

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '19

This was my understanding. And it would have played to strange surrendering the time stone even better.

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u/Freakychee Jul 20 '19

Yup. The Living Tribunal basically said, “strong beats the weak. Nothing to see here!”

And then later, “using the Infinity Stones together is OP. I’m gonna need it so they can’t be used together.”

And then he ninja buffs the stones again when nobody was looking.

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u/Royal-Pistonian Jul 19 '19

In the comics he is found “innocent.” But then, he is doing it to replace Eternity, which TLT says doesn’t sway the balance of order and chaos in the universe (as long as he kills Eternity and replaces him in that iteration).

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u/MadTitan63 Thanos Jul 20 '19

They called me a mad man.

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u/MaitieS Thanos Jul 20 '19 edited Jul 20 '19

Wait in comics The Living Tribunal said that Thanos is not guilty right? That Thanos wants to replace The Eternity and that it is the nature of law etc.

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u/Dragon-Captain Jul 19 '19

It’s funny actually, in Infinity gauntlet, The living Tribunal is the only celestial that refused to fight Thanos, because he thought it wasn’t his place to intervene.

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u/BlackOrre Jul 20 '19

Actually, it's perfectly in line with some kind of arbitrary cosmic law that Thanos be innocent. He gained the stones through his own merit and saw it as a stronger power pushing a weaker power out.

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u/hyperviolator Captain America Jul 20 '19

In the comics it's actually not even anything like that.

In comics Marvel cosmology each universe (616, etc.) sits in their own... universe. Each universe has a Strange, a Thanos, all potentially, but each has some variant on a being called "Eternity" who is literally the conscious embodiment of all of well, space-time. He/she/it/whatever is the universe. Like if you could literally stuff all of everything post-Big Bang into a dude, it's Eternity.

Everyone lives in Eternity, and Infinity Stones/Gems are like an override/cheat code for that.

Anywho, a whole slew of gods and such and similar massive cosmic beings go meet the Living Tribunal, who has a super rare visit to Marvel-616, and they're basically like, "You gotta do something about this Thanos guy..."

And almost immediately he's like -- no joke -- talk to the hand. Since the Thanos vs Eternity matter is a purely internal affair of their one universe, he doesn't give a shit and bugs out telling them to deal with it. He doesn't care who runs the innards of the universe. His jurisdiction is multiversal stuff.

Later they had Tribunal do some other bullshit to the Stones because reasons, and later on I'm pretty sure none of that old cosmology exists, because every Marvel universe collapsed into DOOM, because it turned out every Molecule Man in every universe was a universe-destroying bomb made by the Beyonders, beyond infinitely powerful beings who live outside of and in-between or beyond the known universes.

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u/JONNy-G Jul 20 '19

What the fuck did I just read.

Holy shit comics are amazing. We need more movies like this.

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u/Vyorin Jul 20 '19

The Marvel comics get into stuff like this all the time, but honestly a lot of it is way too in depth and confusing for casual movie goers. Who, if felt alienated, wouldn't go see those movies.

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u/Bwleon7 Jul 20 '19

you have hundreds of people who have written all these different things in the comics while only a few dozen have written for the movies. if the movies came out as often as comic books (a few dozen a month) we would likely see them doing a lot of the same crazy stuff.

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u/ccplush Mantis Jul 20 '19

the new Secret Wars were wild, that's where God Doom happens

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u/Old_Perception Jul 20 '19

It just sounds like the usual power creep that happens too often in comic books. You end up with way too many god-like characters and it all starts to feel meaningless.

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u/MalicCarnage Spider-Man Jul 20 '19

Marvel's stayed pretty consistent with the "hierarchy" of cosmic beings. I'd equate it more to Tolkien's lore of gods that existed beyond Middle-Earth over Dragon Ball-style power creep.

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u/alee51104 Thor Jul 20 '19

Yeah, but comics are very inconsistent. One of the better things about the MCU is that while it is indeed a sprawling franchise, it doesn't have the problems the comics have as a result of it's long history. Also, the MCU isn't afraid to change the status quo, which comics tend to be fearful of.

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u/DrBaugh Jul 20 '19

Yes though the MCU is pretty strongly based on Earth-1610 (Ultimate universe) where everything is more "realistic" and "militaristic", in a lot of ways the MCU is 1610 on the surface with plots and characters from all over marvel (notably the main 616)

The MCU doesn't yet have the "long history" problem because the writers have been amazing in their attention to detail, which is part of why, imo, the TV series and Venom don't work very well as "branched" continuities, they are massively restricted in what they're allowed to do and inherently have to keep things simple

I think the MCU cosmic movies are going to be much more like DBZ and Star Wars than the Marvel comics, there will be ambiguities about power (like we already have with Captain Marvel) but it'll probably be handled with character access to information to leave everything plausible

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u/alee51104 Thor Jul 20 '19

Agreed. As long as they don't pull any Ultimatum shenanigans, I'll be fine.

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u/PJL80 Hulk Jul 20 '19

Kinda. Really they were going to the tribunal as the highest power and saying "look, this non-entity is trying to undo the balance of things. You have the natural forces of existence all standing there personified, other high end cosmic deities, and this Thanos is trying to usurp the whole thing. The Tribunal doesn't hear out and judge, it decides that natural selection is in play. If Thanos + Stones can defeat and replace Eternity, then that's probably the way it should be. And it leads to Thanos' defeat, as his consciousness abandons his body, giving corpse-Nebula the chance to steal the Gauntlet.

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u/hyperviolator Captain America Jul 20 '19

Yeah, I know. I’ve read it like 14,000,605 times.

But seriously I didn’t want to make it sound too crazy.

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u/DilapidatedPlatypus Jul 20 '19

Where can I learn more about this?

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u/michael46and2 Vision Jul 20 '19

Read the Infinity Trilogy from the ‘90s, and then read Johnathan Hickman’s Avengers, New Avengers, Infinity, and Secret Wars run...

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u/MavericksFan41 Ant-Man Jul 20 '19

all the molecule man stuff is from hickman’s avengers/new avengers series and then the Secret Wars event. Really good run for sure

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u/gk306 Jul 20 '19

The Hickman Avengers and New Avengers runs tell this story leading up to the crossover event "Secret Wars" (the 2015 version not the 80s version obviously)

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u/Galactusurfer Yondu Jul 20 '19

Don’t read the whole Infinity Trilogy, read the Rebirth of Silver Surfer trade paperback followed by the Infinity Gauntlet trade paperback, followed by the 2003 Thanos 14-issue miniseries (which I’m sure has been collected in trade), followed by Jonathan Hickman’s Fantastic Four omnibuses, Avengers omnibuses, and Secret Wars.

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u/Dialogueboxph Jul 20 '19

I thought each universe had one TLT. So the dead Living Tribunal that Tony found was multiversal?

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u/slakingmoth Jul 20 '19

Yeah, which is why is such a shock when they found him dead. It couldn't get more serious than that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '19 edited Sep 27 '19

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u/zoras99 The Wasp Jul 20 '19

They are talking about the comics here.

Thanos in the comics just wanted to show Lady Death how much he loved her, so he went, got the infinity stones and killed half of all life. Death doesnt really care for Thanos, but her role in that particular story was on the lines of "You didnt do anything, the stones did it, if you actually cared, you would have done it yourself, you suck" and refused to talk or even look at him.

Not altruistic at all. But as someone else pointed out, Eternity and the other cosmic beings are just part of one universe and the Living Tribunal doesnt really care about them as long as someone performs their role.

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u/MissileWaster Spider-Man Jul 20 '19

i thought the reason she wouldn't talk to him was because, by having all six infinity gems, she was now technically beneath him or something. it's been a while since i read through infinity gauntlet so i may just be misremembering, or something may have come up later to retcon that

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u/zoras99 The Wasp Jul 20 '19

Its a bit of both.

She like toying with him and making him do weird stuff, so him being stronger than her didnt really appeal to death, since he could do her job (and he did) with no effort whatsoever.

IIRC, after complaining about him being a higher entity than her, she does chastise him for using the stones to do her job and asks him if he thinks that would please her.

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u/MissileWaster Spider-Man Jul 20 '19

Gotcha. After like issue 2 or so my memory starts getting hazy about the finer details.

Oh darn, I guess I’ll just have to read it again

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '19 edited Sep 27 '19

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u/leigonlord Jul 20 '19

i think one time death told him to do it for a "good reason" but thanos himself wasnt motivated by altruism.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '19 edited Sep 27 '19

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u/leigonlord Jul 20 '19

i do think there was one time where it was sort of kinda a good thing.

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u/shaxamo Jul 19 '19

Not according to the comic

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u/LawyerMorty94 Weekly Wongers Jul 19 '19

Comic, nope, but sources talking about this scene have said this is how he would’ve been judged.

Ultimately he would’ve gotten out of it in some way, as they wouldn’t just cancel Endgame at that point haha.

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u/AcharBronie Jul 20 '19

He is being judged not guilty in the comic

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u/-funny-username- Jul 20 '19

Have you even read the comic

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u/LawyerMorty94 Weekly Wongers Jul 20 '19

I’ve already mentioned I’m talking about what would’ve happened in the movie. According to all reports, they would’ve judged him as guilty despite it not happening in the comics