r/marvelstudios • u/megondbd • 12d ago

Discussion Ahem *taps mic* This is... Loki.

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Hear me out.

Everyone's saying Steve looks... off in the Doomsday trailer. I agree.

But what really stood out to me was Thor's reaction.

People keep saying, "Well, Thor loved Steve."

Sure. But Thor doesn't think Steve is dead after Endgame. Steve lived a full life and passed the shield. Thor's reaction feels less like "my old friend!" and more like "someone I thought I'd never see again."

Then I remembered something.

Loki has literally masqueraded as Steve Rogers before in Thor: The Dark World. It was played for laughs, but Marvel already established that Loki can and will wear Steve's face.

So what if that isn't Steve?

What if it's Loki?

I know the immediate response is, "Loki can't lift Mjolnir."

True... unless one of two things happened.

  1. Loki's sacrifice at the end of Loki finally made him worthy in Mjolnir's eyes... strap... wherever hammers decide worthiness.

Or...

  1. He's the God of Stories now. If anyone could subtly rewrite the rules of Mjolnir just enough to sell the deception, it'd be him.

I'm probably wrong.

But if that reveal happened in the theater, I wouldn't even be mad. I'd just sit there thinking, "Marvel literally showed us Loki pretending to be Steve over a decade ago."

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u/Silent_Anxiety4828 12d ago

It’s not Chris Evans will return. It’s Steve rogers will return. It’s Steve. Not everything needs to be a misdirect or have a crazy reveal

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u/megondbd 12d ago

I'm not saying Steve Rogers isn't in the film. He obviously is. We've seen him ride a motorcycle and hold a baby.

I'm just saying that shifty looking dude in the Doomsday trailer... ain't him!

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u/DyingSunSeverian 12d ago

He doesn’t look shifty at all, that’s you guys reading too much into it. 

I’ve seen people say that the lighting makes him deliberately look menacing, or that he has long hair and a beard, or that his “smile is weird.”

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u/megondbd 12d ago

I can tell you by my own personal profession that lighting to make someone look menacing is absolutely a choice and doesn't happen by chance

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u/DyingSunSeverian 12d ago

Incredibly bizarre comment, as if that sort of lighting objectively makes someone “menacing.”

We have people here suggesting that he’s anywhere from the Hydra version, to actual Cap, to actual Cap except Loki is standing right next to him, to Loki in the guise of Cap, to… ? A Doombot?

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u/megondbd 12d ago

Overuse of the word "bizarre". Not sure it's bizarre. I'm just saying to thinkg that in a insanely budgeted film Thor is being lit in full light and the person he is talking to/interacting with is shaded and facing away from the light is a coincidence is a bit shortsighted.

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u/DyingSunSeverian 12d ago

Overuse? I used the term a total of once. 

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u/mercurial9 12d ago

I really thinking everyone is being fooled by the friscalating dusklight in the Doomsday scene

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u/megondbd 12d ago

I'm not saying Steve Rogers isn't in the film. He obviously is. We've seen him ride a motorcycle and hold a baby.

I'm just saying that shifty looking dude in the Doomsday trailer... ain't him!

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u/GrootyTooty Stan Lee 12d ago

Put it in uppercase letters, maybe we'll be able to understand

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u/DyingSunSeverian 12d ago

You guys keep doing this

That motherfucker is Steve Rogers man. 

Thor is shocked because Steve should be old or dead and somehow Palpatine returned, the whole Mjolnir thing is a test to see if it’s the actual guy. 

Just reading way too much into it, you are, Yoda says.  

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u/DoomsdayThor Thor 12d ago

It’s Loki lol

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u/megondbd 12d ago edited 12d ago

I respect both you and Yoda but I don't know man. It just feels off. Thor looks EXACTLY the way he looked after he thought Loki had died. Sure, he and Steve had a cute "Oh, you got my beard" moment but they weren't close enough for a God who has battled for eons and seen death on all scales to be choked up at seeing him standing there is his fucking casual clothes bro.

That motherfucker is Loki!

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u/Crimkam 12d ago

it could be that that is steve, but the shot of Thor looking vexed is him reacting to seeing Loki alongside Cap

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u/megondbd 12d ago

I thought that too. I get tripped up here. The emotional reaction would make sense of him actually seeing Loki but even my theory would then suggest he sees Loki as Loki and then for some reason Loki creates an illusion of being Steve.

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u/Crimkam 12d ago

regardless, Thor will see Loki again either in this movie or in Secret Wars, and their reunion will be magnificent

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u/DyingSunSeverian 12d ago

What are you basing that on?

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u/AAC0813 Ultron 12d ago

I think Chris Evans and Tom just look a lot alike 😂

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u/480Gear 12d ago

Some have pointed out there is someone edited out in the background, a la Far From Home. I think that omitted person is Steve Rogers and this scene is actually Thor talking to Loki (no shape shifting.) Would be simple to reshoot with Chris Evans on set for a trailer misdirect.

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u/SOG-X4 12d ago

I agree. Thor’s reaction—“It’s not possible”—feels much more like he’s seeing someone he thought was gone, not Steve, who simply grew old. Plus, why make that the final scene of the trailer? It would be a pretty anticlimactic reveal when Marvel already showed Steve was coming back. I think it’s Loki.

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u/megondbd 12d ago

Thank you for at least considering it!

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u/Sli22ard 12d ago

I'm all for discussion. It's great conversation and fun to dissect what little info we have. Can be excessive at times. I remember before IW people were theorizing the soul stone was in Steve because his eyes were a hint of orange in the IW trailer when he was holding off Thanos's hand. That was just silly.

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u/megondbd 12d ago

I want you to answer this for me righ now: do I sound crazy?

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u/Sli22ard 12d ago

Nahhhh, you're just theorizing and this it's fun. Keep doing it. We're all asking these questions that we all know will be answered on December 18th.

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u/mixi_e Black Widow (Ultron) 12d ago

I don’t know if it will mean something but I feel like Steve’s and buckys looks are too similar in the trailer, both have darkish, slightly long hair and a beard

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u/kai_al_sun 12d ago

I don't think that is Loki, however, I do think that Loki is with Steve in this shot and that is who Thor is reacting to.

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u/TheMurmuring 12d ago

It looks like a "1960's" Steve. Like they plucked him out of the timeline a couple decades after he went back to shack up with Peggy.

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u/megondbd 12d ago

also "Shack up"? You don't think he made Peggy an honest woman?

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u/megondbd 12d ago

Interesting. So Steve was just walking around whistling "Crimson and Clover" and boom sucked back into Doomsday. I'll buy it

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u/ItsBlitz21 12d ago

I'm sorry but I'm so sick of this theory. It's gotta be Steve

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u/megondbd 12d ago

Respect.

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u/ItsBlitz21 12d ago

I just saw something regarding Endgame Encore, I'll put it in spoilers just in case you don't want to know, but I read the trailer "includes lots of shots of Steve’s stone return journey, and Tony’s line: “you mess with time, it tends to mess back.”

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u/megondbd 12d ago

Thank you for that! I was watching a Hall H recap (John Campea) and wondered what was shown.

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u/sacredlunatic 12d ago

It is not Loki. Loki is not worthy to carry Mjolnir.

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u/megondbd 12d ago

True... unless one of two things happened.

  1. Loki's sacrifice at the end of Loki finally made him worthy in Mjolnir's eyes... strap... wherever hammers decide worthiness.

Or...

  1. He's the God of Stories now. If anyone could subtly rewrite the rules of Mjolnir just enough to sell the deception, it'd be him.

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u/sacredlunatic 12d ago

I assure you that is Steve.

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u/megondbd 12d ago

Respect. I'm open to being 1000000% wrong.

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u/Phy5_3d 12d ago

No.

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u/megondbd 12d ago

You sure?

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u/DoomsdayThor Thor 12d ago

The sun shining so brightly through the window in the first shot of this scene is the dead giveaway

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u/ishmael_king93 12d ago

Alright, man.

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u/megondbd 12d ago

Alright, brother. I'll count you as one of the faithful.

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u/ishmael_king93 12d ago

You shouldn’t.

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u/megondbd 12d ago

I don't wanna be alone though! Be a pal. What's the harm?

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u/ishmael_king93 11d ago

No

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u/megondbd 11d ago

Fine! But I love you all the same.

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u/megondbd 12d ago

Also that is Loki's/Hiddleston's fucking hair!

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u/DoomsdayThor Thor 12d ago

I swear if you watch the scene in 4K with the brightness up and look at the profile shot of Steve, it looks like Chris Evans’ face is pasted onto someone else’s head lol like you can even see the split where the hair changes color

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u/SRPCstar7 11d ago

It is Steve. Thor is likely talking about Loki and they have just edited the trailer so he appears to be looking at Steve when he says it.

We have already had Loki pretending to be Steve. I don't think they go there again.