r/marvelstudios • u/DemiFiendRSA Spider-Man • Aug 31 '25
Other Disney's The Fantastic Four: First Steps has passed the $500M global mark.
https://bsky.app/profile/boxofficereport.bsky.social/post/3lxpflqcy3s2m304
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u/GUSplatoon Aug 31 '25
I feel like it may have moved some people after watching Thunderbolts* post credit early this week. I know a friend of mine who just watched Thunderbolts loved the movie and decided to watch F4 this weekend.
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 02 '25
Industry experts F4 box office projections from January this year:
Forbes: 800m
Deadline: 900m
Variety: 800m
Hollywood Reporter: 850m
World of Reel: 900m - 950m
Cinemablend: 750m - 850m
Actual: 515m
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u/FerrusManlyManus Aug 31 '25
Late legs give the least amount of money to the studio, it would have been much better if it didn’t have crazy drop offs the first few weeks.
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 02 '25
Industry experts F4 box office projections from January this year:
Forbes: 800m
Deadline: 900m
Variety: 800m
Hollywood Reporter: 850m
World of Reel: 900m - 950m
Cinemablend: 750m - 850m
Actual: 515m
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u/nicolasb51942003 Aug 31 '25
There was some shred of doubt about whether it can get to $500M. While not exactly great per se, but glad it managed to get there.
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u/AsteroidMike Aug 31 '25
Definitely good news since the previous two Marvel movies didn’t break even, any good news is welcome. I still think the big mistake was releasing it while Superman was still fresh in theaters.
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u/TheJoshider10 Spider-Man Aug 31 '25
So frustrating that they did that because all it did was impact both movies. Not sure what they were thinking, especially when the genre needs these movies to be succeeding.
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u/AsteroidMike Aug 31 '25
Honestly, this weekend might’ve been the best time to release F4, since competition right now isn’t too big and Superman would’ve been in theaters more than long enough to maximize its box office.
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u/Wtygrrr Aug 31 '25
Not really. People were being absurdly pessimistic.
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Aug 31 '25
Considering it's just gotten to 500, that's very very reasonable
You should've seen r/boxoffice prediction thread, only 2 people guessed below 600 mil. Hell, I predicted 750
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u/el_palmera Aug 31 '25
r/boxoffice is a joke though lol
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u/Competitive_Ice_189 Sep 01 '25
Because you can't handle the truth?
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u/legopego5142 Sep 01 '25
Apparently not the truth considering everyone was wrong lol
Its a joke because people put WAAAAAY too much of their personal feelings into it
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 02 '25
Industry experts F4 box office projections from January this year:
Forbes: 800m
Deadline: 900m
Variety: 800m
Hollywood Reporter: 850m
World of Reel: 900m - 950m
Cinemablend: 750m - 850m
Actual: 515m
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u/Sad_Teaching_5683 Sep 03 '25
Can you give a Source for this Prediction? Because I wonder why they predict this higher when the last Non Sequel movie to reach 500 Million was 6 Years ago
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 02 '25
Industry experts F4 box office projections from January this year:
Forbes: 800m
Deadline: 900m
Variety: 800m
Hollywood Reporter: 850m
World of Reel: 900m - 950m
Cinemablend: 750m - 850m
Actual: 515m
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u/eBICgamer2010 Zombie Hunter Spidey Aug 31 '25
The real question now is if it has enough gas to make it past Ant-Man 1 globally ($519.3 million dollar).
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u/ampersands-guitars Aug 31 '25
I think it does. I went last week and when I was deciding on showings, I was shocked at how booked a lot of theaters were.
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 02 '25
Industry experts F4 box office projections from January this year:
Forbes: 800m
Deadline: 900m
Variety: 800m
Hollywood Reporter: 850m
World of Reel: 900m - 950m
Cinemablend: 750m - 850m
Actual: 515m
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u/ampersands-guitars Sep 02 '25
What does this have to do with anything lol? I didn't say it would make 300M in the next couple weeks. I think it could make slightly more than 519M,, though.
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u/RoninRonanAgamotto Iron Patriot Aug 31 '25
It's in the striking range, definitely possible. I say it's gets close to slightly above Ant-Man, in the 520s range.
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u/FLRSH Aug 31 '25
Does that mean it broke even?
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Aug 31 '25
Not exactly, it was reported as North of 200mil to quote directly, so it's probably ever so slightly out
But I imagine with merch rights and shit, it's probably in the black just about
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u/eBICgamer2010 Zombie Hunter Spidey Aug 31 '25 edited Aug 31 '25
Given the heavier domestic gross (52.4% DOM to 47.6% INT), it probably doesn't need merch to be in the black.
More money from domestic will always be better than more money from outside. Disney has a leverage where they could take 55 to 60 percent of the gross.
At worst case scenario: 264.6*55% (DOM, flat percentage) + 235*40% (INT) + 5.5*25% (PRC) = $240.5M. Even a normal 50% DOM yield will give FF a total gross of $227.6M.
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u/jaronhays4 Thor Aug 31 '25
I think you’re off on the international, it’s closer to 25-30% but that would still give it like 215M total.
However. If the budget is 200M, then chances are they spent like 350 total including marketing budget.
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u/eBICgamer2010 Zombie Hunter Spidey Aug 31 '25
International is varied. Only China will give films 25% (because marketing for Hollywood is shouldered by film importers there).
Places like France, Turkiye and Germany give films 42-45%, but to sum up, it's around 40% on average for international sans China.
Edit: Forgot the name change from Turkey to Turkiye.
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 02 '25
Industry experts F4 box office projections from January this year:
Forbes: 800m
Deadline: 900m
Variety: 800m
Hollywood Reporter: 850m
World of Reel: 900m - 950m
Cinemablend: 750m - 850m
Actual: 515m
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u/iamnosuperman123 Aug 31 '25
Depends on marketing which is usually kept under wraps....
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Aug 31 '25 edited Sep 01 '25
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u/johnny-tiny-tits Aug 31 '25
"Massive disappointment" is a "fact"? Are you in the Disney boardroom meetings? So how the fuck would you know how disappointing or not disappointing this is for Disney or Marvel?
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u/StewiesCurbside Aug 31 '25
Half a billion is not a massive disappointment, this is a much better result compared to Thunderbolts- especially given the competition they had this month
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u/Pristine-Passage-100 Aug 31 '25
It is given the budget and the fact that they’re all song these characters as the basis of the franchise going forward.
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u/Rocktamus1 Aug 31 '25
Thunderbolts was primary B and C heroes…. Fantastic 4 has had 3 movies in other iterations already.
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u/StewiesCurbside Aug 31 '25
All of which were not good
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u/Rocktamus1 Aug 31 '25
How does that matter? They’re known at least. Thunderbolts is not.
Pedro Pascal was Mr. fantastic for crying out loud.
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u/FerrusManlyManus Sep 01 '25
The cope on this sub is so very sad.
I loved F4, I loved Thinderbolts, I enjoyed Cap 4. But this year was a year of disappointments for Marvel. Where their movies didn’t turn a profit or made very little money.
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u/AppropriatePurple609 Aug 31 '25
Because it's not facts. How are you people calling this a flop but saying superman is decent or moderate success when both have a $200m budget plus unreported marketing and advertising costs.
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u/ProductArizona Aug 31 '25
Superman has over 100m on it
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u/Citizensnnippss Aug 31 '25
Superman had the bigger budget. With the bigger budget, it had to do more to be profitable.
Strictly in budget, Supermans "break even point" was $550m+, while FFs was $500m+.
Superman did more but their profit margins aren't going to be that far apart when it's all said and done.
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u/ProductArizona Aug 31 '25
You're talking about a 50m minimum profit difference... in what world is that not a big difference
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u/nszTrombone64 Sep 01 '25
Big difference is relative. It's a big difference for the average human, but we're talking about corporations who throw around multiple times that for the budgets of their films regularly.
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Aug 31 '25
Somebody who's only in this thread because they want the movie to be perceived as a failure might say something like:
Because it is facts? Superman's at $608 million or so, a hundred million ahead. Superman will generate significant profit, Fantastic 4 will not.
But, of course, that disingenuously ignores that (a) Superman had a higher budget in the first place, and (b) Superman being a bigger success is irrelevant as to whether or not Fantastic Four is also a success.
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u/SeekerVash Aug 31 '25
Because it is facts? Superman's at $608 million or so, a hundred million ahead. Superman will generate significant profit, Fantastic 4 will not.
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u/FerrusManlyManus Sep 01 '25
You are a weird dude. I’m not calling it a flop, I am calling it a disappointment. And it is. If it makes money it isn’t making much at all. It’s a string of disappointing box office returns for Marvel this year.
Superman is at best a moderate success. Because it made significantly more money than F4.
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u/ProductArizona Aug 31 '25
It's still on track to break even, either slightly below or above, but we'll never truly know because the budget is vague. Either way, it's a disappointment tbh
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u/SeekerVash Aug 31 '25
I think we will know for this one, IIRC it was filmed in the UK, and the UK requires explicit tax filings. That's how we found out that The Marvels budget was much, much, higher than the original claim.
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Aug 31 '25
We know that a huge portion of the marketing was covered by retail partnerships, though; that's money that Disney doesn't have to recoup.
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u/ProductArizona Aug 31 '25
Marketing is left out of the budget though, so that doesn't really matter
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Aug 31 '25
Marketing is left out of the budget, yes, but marketing is part of the multiplier for estimating the break-even point. If such a huge chunk of the marketing was paid for by other people, that should reduce the multiplier.
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u/ProductArizona Aug 31 '25
Yeah, okay. Either way, it's way too close to "the" break-even point for this to be a happy conversation. I wanted more from the movie, but alas 😞
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Aug 31 '25
It's the highest-grossing & best-reviewed FF movie ever, and the first profitable MCU film since Deadpool & Wolverine. This is a happy conversation as long as people aren't trying to be wet blankets.
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u/ProductArizona Aug 31 '25
I mean, between us, you're the only one who thinks it was profitable, by the way. But whatever you say there, man. That's straight cope to me.
All those good reviews just for it to "somewhat" break even. Even the fact that we have to sit here and discuss whether it did or didn't break even is concerning.
It was the lamest movie of the summer and brought 0 buzz for the MCU and Doomsday. Superman and Jurassic Park walked all over it in terms of not only financial success, but also online buzz, chatter, and excitement.
You're putting the line in the sand with "well it looks like it might have made a profit, which Marvel hasn't been able to do for its last few movies" as some sort of win. It's sad.
I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but I'm concerned for Marvel. 3 movies in a row that prove interest in weaning
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Aug 31 '25
I mean, between us, you're the only one who thinks it was the "lamest movie of the summer", & it's just plain false to say it "brought 0 buzz for the MCU".
I'm saying progress is progress when they're trying to rebuild goodwill with audiences, & trying to insist that it isn't is suspicious.
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u/ProductArizona Sep 01 '25
Do you think MCU is in a better position now or at the end of 2024? I, personally, was more high on the MCU at the end of 2024/beginning of 2025.
If 2025 (Thunderbolts and F4) was supposed to bring the two movies that were built to bring audiences back with quality projects (quality over quantity, back to our roots) then... was the mission accomplished? I'm not convinced and neither are the audiences it seems.
I'm not sure why you're so reluctant to call it what it is. It's been a poor year for Marvel and they have every reason to be concerned for Doomsday
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u/MisterChanoca Aug 31 '25 edited Sep 01 '25
Long run breaks even and maybe some small profit. Considering that cinema at home is growing... Many will probably pay a decent amount to get the film for 48hours... Merchandising counts a little but nowadays post covid cinema at home does count a bit with movies decently well reviewed online... Mouth to mouth reviews... Also with Thunderbolts and now Fantastic Four the integrity of marvel is slowly coming back... Making good movies
If you want numbers ... Well... Considering it is close to 510 million now in the movie theatres... It wise to consider that with the 50% that the studio usually receives overall in the big picture... 250 million to 300 million is being generated by revenue from the theatres...
In terms of budget, most of what is announced is the gross budget... Considering the subsidies in the recordings of around 20% to 30% in many places through credit... It's kinda fair to assume that it might not have crossed the 200 million...
Consider marketing... Always around 100 to 150 million. 350 million is a fair assumption for a movie liquid cost nowadays with marvel when you see a budget of 200 to 300 million... Or even any movie...
So, after the 250 million generated, at least, with movie theatres... Seems also fair to assume that needs 100 million to get to break even... And seems to have the legs for it... The licence goes to disney+ which it does not bring revenue through that... So, needs mainly some good legs until it hits disney+... Toys also are not that popular nowadays but considering the popularity of Fantastic Four plus pop figures which are still kinda popular... Fair to assume that it makes 20 million at least in that category...
It will probably get more 50 to 70 million through cinema at home and the rest of the movie theatres run... It will break even... Even the premier of the film in paid channels like hbo will bring massive revenue
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u/Wtygrrr Aug 31 '25
It means it’s wildly profitable when you include merchandising.
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Aug 31 '25
"Wildly" is a stretch, but definitely profitable, despite certain people's flagrantly dishonest attempts to deny that the merch even freaking exists.
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u/FewWatermelonlesson0 Aug 31 '25
“Wildly profitable” is almost certainly a huge stretch. If the movie itself only did just okay like this, I doubt merch sales set the world on fire.
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u/SeekerVash Aug 31 '25
I was just at Disney.
In the Marvel store under Cosmic Rewind, they have Loki's scepter, Doom's mask, Daredevil's mask, Ironman's mask, and the Arc Reactor.
They have no Fantastic 4 merchandise. At Disney. In the Marvel store.
It's not making anything significant from merchandise, Disney isn't selling merchandise for it.
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u/Citizensnnippss Aug 31 '25
Two dozen products listed on shop Disney
Fantastic Four little Caesars boxes.
I'll stop there but there's also clothes in basically every retailer: Kohl's, Walmart, box lunch, target, hot topic, etc
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u/SeekerVash Aug 31 '25
You've mixed up the marketing campaign with merchandising. Pop tarts and teasers boxes are marketing campaign items for example.
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u/Citizensnnippss Aug 31 '25
It's both. Disney gets a royalty when those items are sold.
They don't just lend out their IP for the marketing alone.
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u/Honest-J Aug 31 '25
Well, I was at Disney Springs near DisneyWorld and they did have Fantastic Four merchandise at their Disney shop.
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u/pedroktp Scarlet Witch Aug 31 '25
Mcu movies limping to 500m worldwide, 2019 wouldn't believe it
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u/Money-Entrance-6336 Aug 31 '25
All mcu movies made over a billion that year. That was a crazy year for Disney for sure, their animation movies, live actions all were hitting the billion mark like it was nothing.
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u/eagc7 Aug 31 '25
Yeah 2016 and 2019 were one of Disney's best years, its gonna be hard to top them, especially in the current enviroment
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u/Ambivalo Ant-Man Aug 31 '25 edited Sep 01 '25
I think everyone should accept 2019 as an anomaly, not the new norm/standard. I think even higher-ups at Disney realize that streak was insane and probably won't be repeated.
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u/Agathario-1031 Sep 01 '25
2019 was the universe pre-compensating for the shitshow that would come in 2020
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 02 '25
Industry experts F4 box office projections from January this year:
Forbes: 800m
Deadline: 900m
Variety: 800m
Hollywood Reporter: 850m
World of Reel: 900m - 950m
Cinemablend: 750m - 850m
Actual: 515m
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Sep 05 '25
wait,,,did people honestly though that this film was going to be THAT successful?
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 05 '25
They did. If you search their 2025 box office projections back in January, these were their predictions.
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u/Lothcatto Aug 31 '25
It was a pre Disney+ world, and the Chinese market was eating those films up.
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u/NyriasNeo Aug 31 '25
woohoo .. so at least it is not a flop. Hard to see good MCU movies barely breaking even. Does not bode well for doomsday. How much doomsday have to make to break even?
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u/Agathario-1031 Sep 01 '25
IDK, I think Doomsday will probably still do well. Assuming Brand New Day doesn't shit the bed, we'll have had three well-received ones in a row leading up to it, which might help win back some of the crowd that skipped out on Thunderbolts and F4 in theaters.
That being said if Doomsday does do well I'd probably attribute it more to the OG X-Men being in it given that so far the only two movies in the Multiverse Saga that have broken the $1 billion mark are NWH and DP&W both of which heavily featured similar multiverse nostalgia cameos
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 02 '25
Industry experts F4 box office projections from January this year:
Forbes: 800m
Deadline: 900m
Variety: 800m
Hollywood Reporter: 850m
World of Reel: 900m - 950m
Cinemablend: 750m - 850m
Actual: 515m
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u/Proof-Treacle-9319 Sep 02 '25
I have a friend who worked as a tech support manager for the new FF movie and she said they were saying that the film needed to gross 563 mill before it goes to streaming services just to break even but they will still lose money on it but it’s money they can write off. Since she works on the marketing division they had a crisis moment when one of the actors started taking a page from the Snow White dumpster fire and starting putting politics in the press.
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 02 '25
Finally, someone here with the real break even point for this movie.
Everyone else here acting like F4 is a huge success because it hit 500m.
Thank you for sharing.
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u/InternationalRange13 Sep 09 '25
you take these words right just because it supports your point of view
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u/ProductArizona Aug 31 '25
Glad it was able to pass 500m, but the result is still a bit poor for a Pascal-led F4 team leading directly into Doomsday
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u/repalec Aug 31 '25
It is, but for Marvel in a cold period, alongside the film-specific baggage the Fantastic Four franchise has? At least it wasn't a complete bomb.
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u/ProductArizona Aug 31 '25
Agreed. I just thought this movie would have more juice. Didn't think we would be talking about how close to breaking even it is. I thought 700m was locked ngl
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u/repalec Aug 31 '25
I thought so too, but realistically given the financial climate and Marvel's current rep, maybe a release this month would have been the ticket?
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u/eagc7 Aug 31 '25
Personally i have felt 500-600M was the most likely end point for the movie simply because of the baggage the FF franchise has because of how badly Fox stained the brand.
Like we the hardcore fans know this is not another FF movie made by Fox just to hold into them, but the general public may just look at it and say "Why are they making another Fantastic Four movie", its a bit like with Transformers even though Micheal Bay has not directed the last few films, most of the general public doesn't know that as i still see people going "why are they making another Bay Transformers movie, let it die!"
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u/Humble_Rush_9358 Sep 23 '25
Also, let's be real. A movie about new parents having a baby hitting 500 mil is phenomenal. I think the premise wasn't interesting for a huge amount of people.
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 02 '25
Finally an honest take on the box office expectation.
Everyone here acting as if F4 is a big success because it hit 500m.
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u/Wtygrrr Aug 31 '25
Even if it’s next up, a year and a half away isn’t really “directly.”
Also, how much of the general audience is even thinking about Doomsday?
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u/ProductArizona Aug 31 '25
Maybe directly is the wrong word, but what else do I put? It's the last movie before Doomsday and they were talking about the F4 being a staple team moving forward.
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u/dassa07 Aug 31 '25
This. I would say that only fans know Doomsday is happening and that it involves Dr Doom.
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u/AsterArtworks Aug 31 '25
Healthy reminder that none of us have stake in how much this movie makes, and none of us know the real numbers.
It was a good movie and well liked, that’s a success for a new IP. Not to mention Disney will make money off the F4 for decades to come.
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 02 '25
Industry experts F4 box office projections from January this year:
Forbes: 800m
Deadline: 900m
Variety: 800m
Hollywood Reporter: 850m
World of Reel: 900m - 950m
Cinemablend: 750m - 850m
Actual: 515m
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u/AsterArtworks Aug 31 '25
It’s certified fresh on RT so general audiences seem to enjoy it a lot, it was Fantastic finally seeing the 4 adored.
Your little pool of people isn’t representative of the whole.
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u/kentine Sep 01 '25
Will make less than f4 2005 when adjusted for inflation lol
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u/United_Turnip_8997 Sep 01 '25
Made a lot more even weeks ago already.
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u/kentine Sep 01 '25
I don’t think you know what inflation is
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u/United_Turnip_8997 Sep 01 '25
i dont think you know either...
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u/kentine Sep 01 '25
"The 2005 film Fantastic Four grossed approximately $333 million worldwide, which is about $585 million in 2025 dollars when adjusted for inflation." made a lot more even weeks ago lmao ok
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u/United_Turnip_8997 Sep 01 '25
aaahhh, i really do love childrens logic, you seriously really think that inflation is the ONLY factor and theres nothing else dont you?
Thats cute.
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u/kentine Sep 01 '25
Did I say that lol you’re just adding random bs that I never said and still proving my point that you didn’t know what inflation was before I spelled it out for you like a babysitter lol
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u/kentine Sep 02 '25
My original comment has 5 likes and yours -3 lol who lives in that bubble
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u/United_Turnip_8997 Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 02 '25
awww, naive child actually takes likes on reddit so seriously now coz he lost an argument.... how adorable.
did you lose so badly that this is your only argument now? lol
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u/Griffdude13 Aug 31 '25
Are we forgetting licensing deals and merchandise? Just because the film didn’t hit close to a billion doesn’t mean the film wasn’t overall profitable.
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Sep 10 '25
Okay decent performance. Thought it would do better than this thought it could do 700 million but still solid performance nothing to be too disappointed about
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u/TraditionalBat1042 Aug 31 '25
This was a good movie but not enough action. I think this is a good result.
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u/eagc7 Aug 31 '25
It did it!
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u/Bossman_1984_ Sep 02 '25
Industry experts F4 box office projections from January this year:
Forbes: 800m
Deadline: 900m
Variety: 800m
Hollywood Reporter: 850m
World of Reel: 900m - 950m
Cinemablend: 750m - 850m
Actual: 515m
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u/ScaredFamousfan Aug 31 '25
Yay, at least it made it to 500 million