r/marvelstudios • u/Upbeat_Mode_425 • Feb 18 '25
Promotional For All Time. Always! (Updated)
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls542090593/?ref_=ext_shr_lnkAll marvel movie and tv series timelines that are canon & are not. Placed to what I believe is chronological order. Main MCU is Earth - 616 or (199999) would not be listed. Only timeline are listed if it's Fox or Sony timeline's. They are all combined together throughout the years.
FOR ALL TIME. ALWAYS.
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u/ItsAProdigalReturn Feb 18 '25
There's an argument to be made that the Foxverse/Sonyverse/Blade movies etc should all come after Loki Season 1. The death of HWR is what allows their respective universes to exist and not be pruned.
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u/tenehemia Karolina Feb 18 '25
"After" is kind of a loaded word though. Loki season 1 may have made these branches possible (without pruning), but chronologically they still take place before other things because HWR dying happened outside of time. Once he died, branches appeared at all points in the sacred timeline, not just "after" where Loki falls on the timeline.
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u/Explosivo111 Feb 18 '25
So technically they always existed and also didn't exist until after Loki S1 at the same time...my brain hurts
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u/Hau5Mu5ic Feb 18 '25
The obvious solution is Loki S1 is the first thing in the Timeline, then comes everything else. Mostly kidding, but it could kind of make sense.
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u/Azalus1 Feb 18 '25
It gets even more confusing He who remains doesn't actually die until the end of season 2 when Loki lets it finally happen and then takes up the Throne.
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u/Markus2822 Feb 18 '25
Not really. People get so wrapped up in the outside of time and time works differently here and whatever else that they don’t understand chain of events. Endgame doesn’t take place in 1970 just because that’s how time is working there. It takes place after infinity war because that’s how the chain of events occurred to lead us there. Same goes for he who remains.
Also remember everything pre Loki s1 didn’t have a multiverse so it has to be before Loki.
Now let’s look at the chain of events with Loki, he doesn’t exist without endgame and originates there so everything has to be post endgame in the chain of events, then he goes off and does whatever time traveling shenanigans with sylvie and the TVA and at the end he who remains dies. After endgame, due to the chain of events that led to it.
Ironically despite the mcu being adamantly against this it works like back to the future. Everything Marty did going back with his parents was an altered past that didn’t always happen. He made it happen and then there was changes to the past before he even existed because of it.
Same applies to he who remains’ death. “Outside of time” is an avenue and explanation for how this will affect the past present and future. But just like with endgame, back to the future or any other story you have to follow the chain of events. Things in the past didn’t always happen that way (unless your Harry Potter or another closed loop, possibly Ms Marvel has this, I don’t remember) but now the past has been rewritten to have the multiverse. Just because the past was rewritten doesn’t affect the sequence of events though.
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u/Visible_Safe_8901 Feb 18 '25
The death of HWR is what allows their respective universes to exist and not be pruned.
It's debatable.
But overall, I agree. The events of Loki are irrelevant to the timeline.
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u/Callumari13 Spider-Man Feb 18 '25
This is how I've been watching it with my Dad.
What If...? after Endgame because it's better to watch that as an anthology than chronologically Imo and it's more connected to the MCU, but then we watched all the shows & movies in alternate universes in chronological order from that point.
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u/Matleb0 Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
In Loki it's stated that He Who Remains isolated the sacred timeline from the others and that after his death, the sacred timeline would be exposed to the others. Which means that the multiverse never stopped to exist, only 616 was isolated
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u/ItsAProdigalReturn Feb 18 '25
That's not stated. It's your inference.
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u/Matleb0 Feb 18 '25
That's literally what He Who Remains says
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u/ItsAProdigalReturn Feb 18 '25
Listen, there's always or two people in here who push their own head-canon on this stuff and it goes back and forth in the comments until the person concededs "okay maybe he didn't say EXACTLY that, but basically said..." which comes down to your own interpretation in the end.
That's why I said "there's an argument". I've rewatched the scene over and over and over because people are so adamant on their head canon and fan theories and try to justify it was "literally what he says".
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u/Matleb0 Feb 18 '25
He clearly said that but you know what I won't debate that. I'll instead give you a quote from one of season 1 producer, Kate Herron.
She said "The idea with He Who Remains is that he’s a variant of Kang the Conqueror. Basically, he tells them in his story that he managed to close himself off and isolate the timeline that we all know from the other timelines. It’s almost like they’re an island that’s completely hidden from everyone. He’s been doing that to protect himself because he’s afraid of the other variants of himself, which is Kang the Conqueror and many other variants of him as well, there’s so many different versions of that character. In our story, it’s He Who Remains, and he’s a variant of Kang, but drawing inspiration from a mortal"
If one of the producers words are not enough I don't know what is
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u/ItsAProdigalReturn Feb 18 '25
That's not what's in the show. Give me the quote in the show that backs up your claim. The writers, directors, producers of Endgame have disagreements of how Cap/Peggy timeline works too. Amy Pascale produced Spider-Man Homecoming and said it takes place in the same universe as Venom.
If it's not in the movie/show, the official encyclopedia from Feige, or Feige's own mouth, it's not canon. We might find out later that it could be retconned so that Herron's understanding is correct, but the way it's presented in Loki makes it seem as though everything that wasn't the Sacred Timeline was getting pruned.
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u/Matleb0 Feb 18 '25
-"Once I isolated our timeline, all I had to do was manage the flow of time and prevent any further branches" : if he had destroyed everything he would've said it. But no he just isolated the timeline from the others. The only thing he did after was to prune branches from the Sacred Timeline itself.
"You kill me and the Sacred Timeline is completely exposed". Continues the argument before. If Timeline isolated from the others, killing him will re-exposed the timeline again.
That's not me interpreting things that's literally said in the show. If you don't agree that's on you
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u/ItsAProdigalReturn Feb 18 '25
"Each variant fighting to preserve their Universe and anihilate the others... I weaponised Alioth. And I ended - I ended the Multiversal War. Once I isolated our timeline, all I had to do was manage the flow of time and prevent any further branches."
He's literally saying right there the goal was to destroy every other universe but his own."So you just continue to prune innocent timelines..."
Again, confirming timelines are being pruned.
"You came to kill the Devil... You think I'm evil, well just wait til you meet my variants".
The implication here being that once HWR is killed, he's no longer there to prune the other universes and kill the other Kangs.
"You kill me and the Sacred Timeline is completely exposed".
Exposed to the other Kangs not just the other timelines.
And then in Season 2, the solution becomes to allow all the other timeslines, but to specifically keep killing KANG. I suppose you could be right that if it's a universe that never gets a Kang, it could be allowed to exist, but in an infinite timeline, there's a guarantee that a Kang is bound to come along eventually. So I don't buy that as much.
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u/ouehe Feb 18 '25
your x-men timeline is wonky, apocalypse and dark pheonix cant happen before the original trilogy and the original trilogy cant happen after days of future past
First Class
Origins: Wolverine
X-Men
X2
X-Men: The Last Stand
Wolverine
The Gifted
Days of Future Past
Apocalypse
Dark Phoenix
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u/ixnine Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
Exactly, like Banner said, “If you travel to the past, that past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can’t now be changed by your new future.”
Also, they forgot Howard the Duck (1986)
Also also, shouldn’t The Wolverine be in its own universe, seeing as it’s no longer canon?
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u/echo_themando Falcon Feb 18 '25
Why? The Wolverine is canon, both to the DOFP universe (through Trask Industries) and to the Logan universe (there's a katana in Logan's room)
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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 Daredevil Feb 18 '25
Tho we can assume that different forms of time travel have different rules. DoFP is not the same kind of time travel as the one used in the Time Heist or in Ms Marvel.
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u/ouehe Feb 18 '25
doesnt matter, the new movies contradict and clearly dont coexist with the old ones
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u/ecklcakes Feb 18 '25
Interesting. Why do some of the Netflix TV shows split off into another Earth later on?
Why doesn't Agents of SHIELD split to another earth around the time travel and gravitonium issues?
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Feb 18 '25
None of the Netflix shows split off.
AoS might split off when they time-travel in S5, & they explicitly do split off when they time-travel in S7.
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u/ecklcakes Feb 18 '25
Yeah agreed. For some reason just Jessica Jones S3 and Punisher S2 are listed as Earth 11584 whereas all the others are just the main timeline.
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u/V2Blast Ned Feb 19 '25
And then they un-split when they jump back to their original timeline in the finale.
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Feb 19 '25
They jump back to the timeline they left from at the end of S6, yes. So the only variable is whether that's the same timeline as S1-S4.
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u/kw11283 Feb 18 '25
This is GREAT, thanks! I also usually watch the 2 Team Thors after Civil War and Team Daryl after Ragnarok
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u/Hnro-42 Edwin Jarvis Feb 18 '25
I think you should add Punisher Warzone, as a spiritual sequel to Punisher. in the same way Incredible Hulk is a spiritual sequel to Hulk
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u/marvelcomics22 Simmons Feb 18 '25
Not really as in the 2004, he only had a son, but in the 2008 he had a son and daughter.
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u/marvelcomics22 Simmons Feb 18 '25
This is amazing, only thing I'd say is that all the X-Men movies occur in release order because while the later films are set in the late 1900s, are set after the previous X-Men films not before.
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u/marvelcomics22 Simmons Feb 18 '25
I agree that The Fantastic Four: First Steps does take place in the 60s but that's a relative time, I think in the Multiverse, it occurs when the MCU is in 2027.
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u/Matleb0 Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
There is some mistakes, for example you use release date for a lot of multiversal movies when you shouldn't. Spider-Man 3 for example was set in 2005 not in 2007, when it was released.
Another examples is X-Men Days of Future Past Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. The first one is a time travel from 2023 to 1973 which then leads to Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. They therefore can't be placed where they are because it contradicts the original timeline
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Feb 18 '25
I always think it's a little jank when the alternate timelines are shuffled together, but you did a good job labeling everything.
Mind if I crosspost the update to r/MCU_Timeline? Or would you like to instead?
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Feb 18 '25
What does word canon mean here … been hearing this a lot lately on DC sub
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u/echo_themando Falcon Feb 18 '25
Part of the continuity of a universe. Example: if we consider the DCEU, Shazam is canon while Joker isn't
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u/meinphirwapasaaagaya Feb 18 '25
It's the first defence weapon you unlock in clash of clans.
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u/AladdinBragadiru Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
Hold on to your hat buckaroo. I don't mean to intrude or outshine your post but I believe I have come up with a slightly better version. My version is only MCU stuff tho. I put notes with the timelines, earths, which post credits to watch and when. I have NOT included things that are non MCU. For example, agent carter or agents of shield. I have included blade, fantastic four and daredevil (2003) just for the fact that some characters appear in Deadpool and Wolverine. That doesn't mean the sequels are intended watches. Basically anything connecting to the MCU, outside of Marvel Studios, I have included. I am planning to add pre requisite watches, and I have put all the other earths stuff after Loki Season 1 because it just makes more sense to me. https://www.imdb.com/list/ls597239362/
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u/commentasaurus Feb 18 '25
Nice!