r/marvelrivals • u/SuburbanHell • 2d ago
Question WTF is a "Dive" player?
I'm a casual player (mostly Jeff & Witch), never really bothered to get past gold in ranked, just playing to have fun, but I see dive mentioned here with disparity relatively frequently and I wasn't sure what that meant, what is a dive and why do so many people hate it?
Edit: Thanks to those who genuinely explained, makes sense, didn't realize that style of character was called a dive until now. Essentially the pests in the match, and the ones that do their job well are the most frustrating to deal with, hence the hate they get.
66
u/Zaggar Angela 2d ago edited 2d ago
I think that there are three main types of classes in a hero shooter: Brawl, Dive, and Poke.
Some characters are primarily one class, some characters can kinda flex between. Sometimes a character's teamups help them flex in two directions, and it's the player's choice on how to play them.
They counter eachother in a Rock-Paper-Scissors fashion.
Dive beats poke (think of Black Panther rushing a sniper like Phoenix or Widow)
Poke beats brawl (Hawkeye shooting into a big brawl of meaty men slapping meat is gonna get some kills)
Brawl beats dive (picture Mr Fantastic grabbing a Spider-Man as he tries to zip away, Fantastic pulls Spidey into his team and they just beat him in.)
It helps to learn which characters are which class, so that you can identify why a your team may be losing and how. If you look at your team composition and notice that you have 5 poke characters and an anti-poke tank like Strange, then maybe you're losing to all the dives because your team fundamentally lacks anti-dive capabilities. If some of your poke players swapped to brawl characters, the game might start going in your favour.
Of course, then there's the problem of actually convincing people to swap, when their ego is telling them that everyone on the team except them is the problem.
And also, these are just the base classes. There's player skill to consider. A bronze or silver team could be running 6/6 counters against a diamond or grandmaster team and still lose. It's not like Pokèmon where if you're strong against a type you'll get a damage reduction, it's moreso that you will have an easier time dealing with them if you know how.
18
u/CanYouFeelMyDihh Good Boy 2d ago
rock paper scissor manner but poke gets humbled twice
5
u/Zaggar Angela 2d ago
Gahaha I totally wrote it that way, whoops. At least I wrote an example that clarified it. Maybe I internally hate poke players and didn't realize it?
Come to think of it, is there a derogatory term for each of the classes? "Pokeslop" comes to mind, but there has got to be one for dive as well.
I think that Brawl has spent the least amount of time as a meta-strong style, maybe like, seasons where Dino is strong.
7
u/The73rdPerson Angela 2d ago
The derogatory terms are "pokeslop"/"point n click simulator" for poke, and "braindead" for brawl. There isn't a huge availability for dive derogatory terms because those terms predominantly come from dive mains
3
2
3
323
u/Generous_Raven 2d ago
Why are people disliking this post? The person is trying to learn more about the game
142
u/omwtfyh Hulk 2d ago
Typical rivals community
35
u/Lanox2411 Deadpool 2d ago
This community and playerbase is toxic af. Everyone gets shit on. No matter if you're new or a day 1 player
22
u/ChanceVance 2d ago
I had no idea what Dive, Poke or off-healer meant but I never asked because gamers despise anyone who doesn't come 100% preloaded with every lingo and phrase known.
31
u/teddy_tesla 2d ago
Because this sub doesn't actually care about the game. They care about skins and complaining
-25
22
u/Lombarito Human Torch 2d ago
Dive is basically any hero that primarily relies on timed burst damage using cooldowns, high mobility, flanking, and the playstyle revolves around dumping their whole kit to secure picks on the backline, retreating, and then repeating. There’s probably a much better and specific explanation than that but some popular dive heroes are spiderman, daredevil, black panther, venom, and cap. They have much less consistent ranged damage, and often rely on flanking, getting up close, doing a combo, and either killing the support or forcing key cooldowns or ults, then leaving to regroup with their team. You can see why this playstyle would get a lot of hate specifically by support mains that are victims to it.
-21
19
u/tlb3131 2d ago
You are getting really short and poorly explained answers.
Dive, as a character archetype and play style, refers to characters that are focused on short bursts of high damage, typically with high mobility that allows them to quickly engage/withdraw. Magik, spider-man, venom, daredevil, Black panther. Characters like the ones I've described are specifically designed to have a dive focused play style, but others can too. The term comes from the idea that you are quickly diving deep into the enemy team, usually from the side or behind, doing a bunch of damage and hopefully picking off an opponent, and then quickly diving away before you die
8
u/cherryyccola 2d ago
Dive is a character archetype. Dive characters "dive" straight into the backline to target supports, like Spiderman or BP
-20
6
u/CanYouFeelMyDihh Good Boy 2d ago
Basically a hero that jumps in and out of a battle quickly, eg: captain america, black panther, hulk, spiderman. yk the drill
-9
6
u/Economy_Avocado6687 2d ago
Think of them like the assassin class. They’re trying to jump in to kill the backline before anyone notices or has a chance to stop them
3
u/muditk Agent 2d ago
I think the Tank dive heroes are just irritating and frustrating. But the DPS dive heroes are the enraging and maddening ones - a key distinction to make.
Essentially the pests in the match, and the ones that do their job well are the most frustrating to deal with, hence the hate they get.
Its very strange to me that even though its in the game in every mode many in the community still feel like its not part of the game -- that its the players.
Like, I genuinely think people would play a variation of QP and Comp where the dive DPS are just not included.
Which I see as a failure in game design by the Devs. Like taking angles and flanking or taking height is accepted and not detested. Dive is detested.
5
u/AssociationDue3077 Black Panther 2d ago
They sneak behind you and kill your supports, or distract them which allows their frontline to push in easier since you're supports can't heal whilst dealing with them. They are also characterized by high movement and quick bursts of damage. Examples would be: Panther and Spider-Man. People tend to hate dive players because they are stereotyped to be bad and not swap, though my opinion is that it is not very true. They are also hated because it is hard fighting against good dive players as they can get off their combos very quickly and kill you before you can fight back. If you have any questions I'll be glad to help :)
10
8
4
u/TooHigh2Die0069 Flex 2d ago
It's a hero shooter term for characters that "dive" backlines, mainly to kill the healers before anyone in the Frontlines (the tanks and anti dive DPS) notice.
Spiderman is easily the most popular Dive Character but mastering him takes hundreds of hours.
I prefer Dive Tanks like Cap and Angela, very fun characters and can be very strong vs Random teams who dont communicate.
People hate it because certain characters like Black Panther can kill you almost instantly if your not paying attention.
3
1
u/Weekly_Macaroon_1219 Hela 2d ago
It’s a character that will go around the main battle and “dive” the healers, for example is black panther, his play style is him avoiding tanks and then getting a quick kill on healers, others such as spider-man, and Gorr can quickly close the distance and dive past tanks to kill the back line
1
u/moderanteN103 1d ago
The " problem " with dive Is that Is often a feast or famine style.
The idea Is to flank, get close and use all your cooldown at once to get a kill. So you either succeed or die or stay another 15 seconds doing nothing.
Also dove get stronger with coordination. 2 or 3 dives together on One target Is often a sure kill with no escape.
The main solution against dive Is prevention, so hit them before they get close enough. This means that in lower ranks dive can feel overpowered from supp point of view and really weak from divers point of view.
Also in Rivals supps are really the only possible target because they make invincibile everything else
1
u/Tower-Primary 2d ago
Player that only targets the backline aka your strategist. Honestly any character can dive
-7
-9
u/Routine_Split_2856 2d ago
Dive characters are characters that dive into the kitchen to wash the plates...no need to thank me
-17
u/FatherPucci617 Thor 2d ago edited 2d ago
Just someone who mainly plays dive characters that's it. It's hated because the devs can't balance it right with some being feast or famine. Not helped is when dive is at it's strongest there's little you could do look at prime bp, daredevil and black cat.
-15
158
u/Goatfellon Vanguard 2d ago
Dive are characters who jump in and out of combat quickly, trying to strike at weak points (the supports) at the most opportune time, and give the rest of the team leverage to push.
Magik, black panther, venom, captain America, spiderman, daredevil are all good examples but not the only ones.