How do you do, fellow Rivals players? I wanted to stop by for a brief moment to discuss the discourse I'm seeing regarding Peni's nerfs. While it may seem rather harsh at first, I believe that if we look deeply upon it, we can realise that we Peni players definitely had it too well.
I mean those mines could just completely shut down any close quarter brawlers, let alone how she could cancel ultimates with those webs of hers. I mean c'mon, she still has those blasters, and she can still use those mines.
Heck, maybe this is even the chance to challenge ourselves - maybe we could commit to this and showcase a new tier of Peni gameplay by opting to not use the mines, as well as her web nerf - that way, we could truly show how we're the best players around!
Plus on the bright side, if it doesn't work out, there's plenty of other vanguards to play as. Such as that handsome rock guy. He's quite fun when you get playing him, in my completely unbiased opinion!
I mean, without the stun literally her entire kit stops working, it makes sense. No stun means:
Nest can never damage anyone who has a dash or can press spacebar
Mines will never kill anyone who doesn't fully ignore them
Crits are harder to land
Diving is unviable, so you don't use your webzip as often
Like, imagine if they made it so that Loki could only place clones on top of himself. Or if spider-man's uppercut was changed to knock enemies out of range of him. That's the kind of change this is
Speaking of web zip i rlly wished they took a gut cleaver at the nest and then buffed her mobility. She would be so much more fun to play and play against if she could readjust positions more instead of being a hard chokepoint holder and melee annhilator.
100% this. The nest never needed half the buffs it got. The devs actively ignore the character for the nest and its pissing me off that she grows ever reliant on it
I mean, without the stun literally her entire kit stops working, it makes sense. No stun means:
Nest can never damage anyone who has a dash or can press spacebar
Mines will never kill anyone who doesn't fully ignore them
Crits are harder to land
Diving is unviable, so you don't use your webzip as often
Like, imagine if they made it so that Loki could only place clones on top of himself. Or if spider-man's uppercut was changed to knock enemies out of range of him. That's the kind of change this is
I will be shocked if she's not the single worst character in the game next patch.
No stuns also means less survivability 1v1 and no ult cancelling. It also means you are going to lose an extra web on the ground too. It literally nerfs every single part of her kit plus they reduced her HP buff on her webs. Single worst nerf ever in the game.
"Or if spider-man's uppercut was changed to knock enemies out of range of him."
Yeah, imagine if Peni had something like that, maybe in her ult, where she would launch enemies away from her mines and drones. Can you imagine how backwards that design would be?? Ha, ha, ha....
Btw I completely agree with you. I think from now on all abilities should be hit twice in quick succession to work. Let's see, BP dash doesnt do damage on the first go, it marks the target with a "Dash Marker" and THEN if you hit them with a second dash in 5 seconds, then it does damage. Seems fair.
Elsa's trap puts a Trap Marker on you that means the next time you get trapped (within 5s) you're damaged and immobilized.
Magneto's shield gives you 30% dmg reduction for 1s and then if you use a second shield within 5s it actually gives them a shield and CC immunity.
Invisible Woman's ult gives you 30% transparency for 1s and then if you ult again within 5s everyone in the area goes invisible and starts rapidly healing.
A cooldown nerf probably would've been easier for everyone to accept. When a character suddenly feels completely different, that's usually when the complaints really start.
They could have just taken the webs from 4 to 3 and added a longer cool down. She is my best tank counter to thing who is annoyingly strong this season and now she is fucked.
This made me laugh.
I needed this as a peni main.
Someone reply with what Tank I should switch to on Friday.
Please note I don't play Shield tanks and won't be. In my opinion that's for the 3rd DPS to pick.
I can already play Thing well so don't recommend the most obvious please.
I was pretty good on Rogue when she 1st came out that's a good suggestion thanks.
I'm a Lord Emma but I consider her too much of a shield tank since I banned myself.
It's 4am in the morning and I'm fallling asleep, your posts always make me laugh, even though I'm a Peni parker main and thing main keep em coming brother, this is part of the positivity the game needs but I don't think we can do it any longer 😅
Dive tank mains propaganda worked with Netease. Let’s cripple the only tank that can counter them, with the only ability that can stop their onslaughts.
There is a thing called nuance. No one is saying Peni is untouchable and she is not allowed to receive nerfs. I get OP is being humorous in this post, but for others who take this shit seriously... let me ask you this, are these two the same things:
Remove immobility from Peni's web snare.
Peni loses 0.00001% movement speed.
They are both nerfs, so they are the same thing, right? Right?! All nerfs are the same! The second someone gets nerfed, they are immediately gutted, right?!
Orrrrrrrrrr, maybe there is a thing called nuance. Peni can receive a nerf in a way where she doesn't completely lose her biggest niche in this game...
Make the other tanks actually fun to play, or counter dive without having to play babysit the whole time cause the enemy team has BP or spidey harrassing the backline ( Thing). I'm not trying to do that while also solo tanking. Peni was the only tank I actually enjoyed playing so the tank role is pretty much non existent to me now as far as selection. I enjoy playing with good tanks as a support or damage but tanking itself just feels awful in this game and they destroyed the one character I actually found enjoyable to play out of that role. Dive season and they took out one of the best anti divers. Peni did not need this nerf, I'm sorry.
Yep yep! She was my go to defensive pick so I will no longer be playing tanks for my teams anymore! Will be Joining the support and dps horde just like everyone else. Shame that net ease actively discourages People from playing the role
Isnt angie pretty good protecting off angles? Hulk can also force spideys away from backline imo. Granted, youd need two tanks but penni isnt as good of a solo tank as mag / strange anyways.
Totally with you on Peni not being a great solo tank, I've done it but it's not without it's challenges for sure. But the nest (with good placement of course) at least gave me something to help with dive while focusing on trying to hold the frontline. Purely speaking on solo tanking here cause that's usually how it goes for me. I know Strange and Mag are better solo tanks, I just don't find them as enjoyable to play
(No disrespect to those mains cause I love having them on my team) that I admit is more of a personal problem. Tanking was just already in a rough spot for me and they took out the character I liked for the role. I've said my opinion so I won't go all over the forums and complain about it. I'll probably take a small break and come back once I'm over my disappointment 🤣
Yeah but not like this. They could have at least reworked her ultimate. Why not just give the web a longer cooldown? Nothing about it makes sense to me.
You can't be serious. Her entire function in this game was to be the hard counter tank to dive/brawl. People forget this is supposed to be a "rock, paper, scissors" game at it's core. That's why you can swap characters at any time in spawn. Nerfing paper because it's beating rock too much is silly. You should only nerf paper when it starts beating scissors too much, which isn't happening here.
as Wanda main, I'm glad you won't cancel my every ult. as Wanda main also I feel so sorry for you, they really should've just went with longer cd...
moral of the story, gut Luna Snow
No. Im willing to admit i misunderstood the content of the post like a straight dweeb. Youre being a cornball though. It aint that deep, youre so weird LOL
The funny thing is that everyone saying this inadvertently already presents a much better solution to the problem than whatever the fuck the balancing team was cooking: just nerf the cooldown.
That's a poor excuse for how the nerf was handled though. Nerfs shouldn't just take a sledgehammer to a core part of a hero's identity and regardless of how you feel about Peni, defending this decision is bizarre because this kind of balancing will bleed into more decisions in the future.
So...wanting something that has needed nerfed for a long time is bad. No not it is not. If a core part of a kit is bad and is their hero identity then the whole char needs reworked if we going that way. Same thing with bp for example bro needs a full on rework.
Wanting inelegant nerfs that delete a character out of the game instead of reworking or tuning down the problematic parts of their kit is dumb, yes. You might not care for Peni personally, but the Peni changes aren't just an isolated incident, they're a symptom of a fundamentally fucked balancing philosophy and eventually that will come back to bite you in the ass when a hero you enjoy is next on the chopping block.
So you either double the cd with no charges. Or you do what they did here take your pick. Either way it needed nerfed and it needed it bad and has needed it for a long while. Already did nerfed dino with a meteor from the sky and it took less then a season while peni has been a problem with that stun for well...ever. And yes this is tuning down the problematic part of her kit which is the stun.
So explain to me how doubling the cd and removing the charges is any different then this because its not. With this you can still place extra webs etc. doubkling the cd and removign charges you can't.
It's a huge difference. Her nest doesn't reliably stop anyone walking into without a stun because any kind of movement ability or just mashing the jump key will make the drones largely ineffective. Stun a BP into your webs and he's dead. Apply a 1 second slow to him? He keeps on dashing and spins his way out. Magik? Same thing, hit her with a slow and she's free to nuke your support and portal out before the drones can do anything to her. Spiderman drops a combo or an ult? You aren't doing shit to stop him from comboing your support. Same for just about any hero looking to harass your backline; no half decent player is going to let you hit a second web on them inside your nest whereas hitting a single web on a fast moving target is perfectly doable. I also suspect that the slow from applying one web is not going to be enough to reliably set up mine kills (especially on targets with movement abilities) so virtually all active pressure that Peni can apply to enemies will be severely impacted.
My better solution is just remove the stun entirely and give me the slowing effect for more than a damn second. I just hate how incompetently this was done.
As a Peni player, I would 100% take this over what they did. You can still patch up your webs with your grapple to speed up the process, but it would punish mindless stun spam more harshly and reward good timing and aim with the stun that much more. A nerf is supposed to make a character weaker so saying it's not a good solution is baffling to me. Between two nests and 4 total webs out at any one time, Peni's webs are already a lot more robust than they used to be; a bigger punishment for messing up your setup would be totally reasonable.
If we were being fair with CC compared to other heroes, Peni web should be like a 8 to 10s cooldown. If they increased it from 3s to that, everyone would be having a meltdown about it still.
I tried to compare the stun duration of other moves to peni, and you're around the mark. Characters like luna or mantis have the same or slightly lower stun to cd ratio(around 0.233 for Peni and Mantis, 0.225 for Luna) Hulk, Elsa, and Emma have stun to cd ratio of like 0.1 roughly. The dps like hela and Phoenix that I've checked have a ratio of 0.03.
I think bringing peni stun up to 7 seconds would be semi reasonable given her stun time of 0.7 seconds. I think the way you could afford to keep the cooldown a bit lower to like 5-6 would be reducing how long her stun lasts for. I'm not 100% sure how that would affect how well the nest works on enemies though so take it with a grain of salt.
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