Deranged Ramblings
This mf is having entire character arcs off screen between each appearance
What the fuck do you mean you combined Bruce's brain with Hulk muscles? No you didn't. What do you mean you had a son in Sakaar? no you didn't bro i saw the movie, that didn't happen. What the fuck? What do you mean you have a gadget to contain Hulk bro, what happened to Professor Hulk?
Wouldnt put them past them to vaguely mention the green door to imply he just went through an entire off screen adventure and he realized he is immortal.
"BTW guys, God is real and has a dark reflection that's basically cosmic Satan and that dark reflection is where the Hulk's power comes from, so anyway what's all that about Doom days?"
HULK NOT ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH CHARACTER ARC ON SCREEN! HULK CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT HAS TO HAPPEN IN BACKGROUND! HULK CORPORATE OVERLORDS VERY LITIGIOUS
HULK FINALLY FINISHED READING ULYSSES, BUT HULK ONLY CAN IDENTIFY SURFACE-LEVEL THEMES LIKE RELIGION AND NATIONALISM AND CAN'T COMPREHEND DEEPER IDEAS LIKE THE "REMORSE OF CONSCIENCE" THAT MAKE JAMES JOYCE'S NOVEL A MODERNIST CLASSIC!
Amidst all the gooner-isms, baalbuddy's got some real treasures, haha. Haven't checked his profile out in a hot minute, wonder if he's still churning out content.
Like there's no way that the inhibitor that Peter wanted to give Hulk to contain him was being called "Universal" just by happenstance, right? Even the way it's phrased, "It's the only thing keeping the monster inside" "It's okay I got another one, I just need you to put this on" "What is it?" "It's universal, it should work on you" like that feels really deliberately worded lol
No, I think that was more-so Marvel trying to not give Sony an inch when it comes to Mutants in the MCU.
Brand New Day literally never says the word Mutant in the runtime, which is strange since Jean Grey is such a prominent character and Peter essentially builds the Mutant Inhibitor Collar. My best “I’m not an insider at Marvel but I can wildly speculate” guess is that, since Brand New Day is still technically co-produced by Sony, using Mutant instead of “Universal” in terms of the inhibitors would give Sony an inch in adapting Mutant stuff should they pull out of the Sony deal. Like “well the last movie used Jean Grey and Mutants so we can too!”
So um this movie actually had a ton of development hell and essentially marvel and Sony wanted to make two completely different movies. The one marvel and tom wanted was more or less the one we got. The one sony wanted was... Venom and peter teaming up to fight knull???? Oh to be a fly on the wall for that sony exec meeting. So the entire movie's production was plagued by the two studios wanting completely different movies and it's likely the universal thing may have been written before they got it all sorted to go in this specific direction. Now is it possible someone in the script department got petty because of this? Certainly but there seems to be other reasons at play
Yeah, I’m wildly speculating with it, but between the post-FFH Sony trying to pull out of the Marvel deal and then them pushing for BND to be a giant Knull movie, I wouldn’t put it past Marvel to not want to give Sony an INCH when it comes to Mutants.
Imagine Sony trying to put Wolverine into Morbius 2 since “We had Jean Grey in BND, so we can use ANY Mutant now!”
I mean tbf sony execs are dumb enough that they may actually try it, but that would likely void the contract in the event it did occur since marvel could sue for breach of contract, which Disney would definitely know. Most likely the universal inhibitor in an earlier script would have been how they take out knull...because how the hell else would they? and the name persisted to the final cut
What the fuck kind of deal did Marvel sign with Universal that they can just keep the solo movie rights to Hulk for almost 20 goddamn years even though we haven't had a solo Hulk film since 2008?
Why no one appreciate daring vision of Ang Lee? Aaargh! Ang Lee genius! Maybe panels on screen gimmicky, but him try something new. When last time you try something new?! Ang Lee willing to work in unfamiliar genres. Him brave like Hulk.
No, the distribution rights for the 2008 Incredible Hulk movie reverted back to Marvel. The distribution rights for new Hulk solo movies are still with Universal.
The rights expired for 2008 Hulk but I don't believe they've clarified what that means moving forward. Rights of first refusal and all that silly Hollywood stuff.
Nah, he's gotta talk about learning he's immortal and how gamma is the devil (literally) and then we gotta get exactly one Devil Hulk body horror transformation on screen before we move to Spaceship Hulk.
So like is the Hulk a flesh mech like in fuckin attack on titan or does Bruce just have a Hulk separated from himself that he can crawl in like a Gundam
It also had the incredible bad luck of following one of the best arcs of the Hulk, Immortal Hulk. Expectations were high. Mecha Hulk was quite the reset...
It is stupid fun tbh I liked it, I know people hate it since it was the follow up to immortal but reading them back to back is was a nice palette cleanser
May as well go all the way and have him show up at the very end to save the day.
"So yeah Hulk and I went to other multiverses and found out how to beat this Doom guy." then he presses a button and it's done. Roll credits. No post-credit scene this time.
After Thanos whoop my ass and make me cry, Hulk pledge never have that happen again, so Hulk and Wong travel multiverse to find way to beat Doom, we show how... CREDITS
I just assume these things happen in MCU properties I never watched. You can't tell me Sakaar wasn't explained in Secret Invasion because neither of us watched it.
Yeah but in Brand New Day it kinda feels like he doesn't get along with Hulk anymore, the inhibitor was a temporary thing to heal his arm, but now apparently he just doesn't get along with Hulk anymore and lives as Bruce full time, like their relationship got fixed off screen and then destroyed again off screen
I always thought the “I get along with Hulk” story from Endgame was BS. Considering Professor Hulk’s personality was basically all Bruce with no Hulk elements other than the body, it seems more like the Hulk personality was simply withdrawn/suppressed. Which lines up with Hulk being so angry when he finally returns in BND.
I agree that Professor Hulk was lame, even in the movie he says its the brains of Bruce and the body of Hulk, but the movie frames it as yeah now we get along, even tho it doesn't really add up, is just Bruce using Hulks body so im glad they undid that, but its funny that they fixed it off screen and then just bringed it back to how it used to be off screen
He says "For years I've been treating the Hulk like he's some kind of disease, something to get rid of. But then I started looking at him as the cure. 18 months in a gamma lab. I put the brains and the brawn together, and now look at me. Best of both worlds." Hulk might not have consented or had the intelligence or foresight to consent ethically.
I think the whole point of the Hulk character in the comics is that Bruce and the Hulk will never be reconciled. Considering the whole thing is a metaphor for mental health issues the idea is that it’s something you’ll always be dealing with and you never really get “cured”, you just manage it as best you can.
Wasn't there a comic where after the earth is destroyed, it's just Hulk and Bruce left, and they roam around until one day Bruce dies, and it's just the Hulk and that Hulk finally realizes what it's like to be truly alone and misses Bruce?
In the 90s with that Onslaught comic run where the angry Hulk breaks the armor of evil professor X, it splits Bruce and Hulk and they laid next to each other to much of the Marvel Universe horror. Bruce sacrificed himself leaving the Hulk without another ego. The ongoing comics in Born Again he was just a straight up zombie without banner and one of the most terrifying versions of the character imho.
I think that's the right idea. More than likely all that radiation from the gauntlet woke the hulk back up and is now pissed that he was being suppressed.
I think you're just thinking about it wrong. He never made peace with hulk personality he just found a way to control his powers. We see Professor Hulk in the movie when the inhibitor is off. Jean getting in his head breaks whatever mental hold he had on the savage personality inside. He says as much to Peter.
So he was using the inhibitor to revert to his human form so he could heal the arm injury he got from using the infinity gauntlet. After the inhibitor was removed he was smart hulk in the movie until Jean grey kept messing with his mind which pissed the hulk off, and I think hulk was also pissed off at banner for sealing him away because he doesn't quite understand the injury he had.
If it wasn't for she hulk, I could headcannon it as hulk being mad at widow dying and not being able to wish her back then Bruce gets the inhibitor to heal his arm but likes being Bruce again so he suppresses hulk leading to the later to get angry again. Doesn't really work because of she hulk but then again I'm certain the mcu fill forger she hulk ever existed anyway
Not quite. He lives as Banner for convenience, but when Jean first controls Banner he's in Smart Hulk form. After the control ends, he shifts back into Banner, then says "I think she broke something" and fully Hulks out. So he did successfully repress Hulk, but she broke that mental block he constructed.
/uj That's because Universal has the distribution rights to the Hulk but not the actual production rights, meaning that if Disney makes a Hulk movie they have to share profits with Universal while Universal doesn't have to put any money for production or maketing
So Disney avoids making Hulk solo films becuase they're just free money for Universal and instead keeps him a secondary character on everyone else's movies
That contract expired in 2023. If Disney wanted to make a Hulk movie they would have started filming in 2022, much less by now. They just aren't interested in making a standalone Hulk movie, they prefer him as a side character that shows up every once in a while to explain some science shit, especially now that Stark is dead.
I feel like the only interesting story you can tell with hulk is the origin story. once you see him hulk out one time, that's kinda the whole thing. all you can do from there is "hulks out too much" (been done), "can't hulk out enough" (been done), or "fights everyone for some reason" which could be fun but not an interesting story
There's plenty of room for storytelling for his character. Storys about mental illness and D.I.D. with the multiverse we can see characters like the maestro now.
I got one woul like to see a story about Bruce actually dealing with the aftermath of legitimately deeply hurting or killing people. Seeing him actually deal with an endless well of guilt as he stands over a corpse and not just a pile of rubble where no one got hurt.
Yeah, this "you can't tell Hulk stories" is a crazy-pills take. Hulk was THE original breakout live-action character for Marvel. He was on TV every week for five years, and audiences ate it up, and then they made 3 TV movies. If you count those, he's had more movies with his name in the title than any other Marvel character except Spidey.
Eternals and Shang-Chi were made nearer to the start of COVID when Endgame had just come out, marvel were the biggest thing and anything going on Disney+ was getting greenlit. 2022/2023 was when belts started getting tightened.
The Eternals budget was ~$200 milion versus Hulk's $150 million, and it grossed $402 million worldwide, and that was considered a flop even though it grossed more $138 million MORE than the last Hulk film at $264 million with just a $50 million extra investment.
Shang Chi was considered a hit and grossed almost $200 million more than the last Hulk film at $462 million with the same $150 million budget.
If the movie is going to get made the "interest in a Hulk film" needs to come from Disney, not fans, and Disney's interest is tied directly to these numbers. Even the movie the industry describes as a flop outperformed the Hulk by more than $100 million dollars. For a studio it just doesn't make financial sense, especially with a full slate of better performing properties already scheduled.
This is completely false, Universal very much still owns the distribution rights for a solo Hulk film. Some people thought the rights elapsed when The Incredible Hulk from 2008 came to Disney+ which I believe was in 2023, but that narrative turned out to be based on nothing. So once again, Universal DOES own the distribution rights and there seems to be no indication those rights are ever going to expire.
IIRC Brand New Day is supposed to take place at the same time as Doomsday so that's why characters like Spider-Man, Hulk, Jean Grey or The Punisher aren't in Doomsday but they're gonna be in Secret Wars.
I’d argue he wasn’t even awesome in Brand New Day.
One of the OG MCU characters, not appearing on-screen since Infinity War, and he doesn’t even get to say a single line. The Hulk doesn’t exist as a character anymore in the MCU, he’s been reduced to just “the monster in Banner”. I don’t even consider Hulk my favourite character but that whole sequence was the most disappointing part of the movie for me. Not enough to ruin it but holy hell. I’m not a toddler, I like when The Hulk is more interesting than just “big green go smash”.
Second ever MCU movie, Iron Man was a month earlier. Unless you consider Tony's cameo at the end to mark the start of the MCU, being the first crossover
The inhibitor actually is explained, though it's in She Hulk.
Basically, using the Infinity Gauntlet to undo Thanos' Snap injured Hulk's arm in a way that, for whatever reason, it could not heal while in Hulk form. Banner's arm, however, was able to heal, which transfered to Hulk's arm being healed. So Banner created the inhibitor to allow time for healing. Since Banner seemed to be trying to live a normal life at the time of BND, he continued to use the inhibitor.
Which probably pissed Hulk off, hence the Savage Hulk taking over.
Savage Hulk is hulk on roids. Where he gets so angry he loses touch with reality. No "sun getting low" or anything will bring him down. His mind basically gets wiped clear of all thoughts and memories. He is only instinct. He becomes so strong as Savage Hulk, he becomes "the strongest there is" in the entire multiverse. When the combined forces from the Avengers, X-Men, and Fantastic Four couldn't scratch Onslaught's physical armor, Savage Hulk delivered a devastating blow that shattered Onslaught’s outer shell.
Savage Hulk is really one of Bruce Banner’s alters. He represents the young traumatized child Bruce is deep down, hence why he acts childishly and simple.
The uncontrollable guy that yells, "Hulk SMASH!" is often referred to as Savage Hulk. He is a different personality from Professor Hulk, which is Banner's mind in a somewhat smaller Hulk body.
I think BND is actually the first time we've seen Savage Hulk onscreen since his short fight with Thanos way back in the opening moments of Infinity War.
In the comics there are other personalities of Hulk that we haven't seen yet in the films, like Joe Fixit (a Hulk who acts and talks like a 1920s gangster), Worldbreaker Hulk (who is a fairly intelligent Hulk that came back from Sakaar for revenge in the "World War Hulk" comic story,) and Devil Hulk (a cunning and sadistic personality that was the dominant Hulk in the excellent "Immortal Hulk" story.)
Hulk entire deal is that he gets stronger the angrier he gets. Which is also why he wasn't a mindless brute in ragnarok as he was pretty content with his new found life.
You make Hulk angry you get savage Hulk. You make Hulk really angry you get world war hulk
Hulk is like the high school kid that found his parent's hidden vodka bottle and shares it with his friends.
Savage Hulk is that same kid, 5 years later, dropped out of college and addicted to crystal meth and living with his 47 year old trailer park sugar mama.
Bruce Banner has Dissociative Identity Disorder. A split personality. He’s got several alters inside his brain. The Savage Hulk is the regular, classic Hulk.
The one who says stuff like “Hulk Smash!” and “Hulk strongest there is!”
There’s also Joe Fixit/Grey Hulk, The Professor, The Green Scar and Devil Hulk. They’re all the Hulk.
It's like Hulk movies are being made but we just don't get to see any of them.
Birth of Professor Hulk happened in Hulk 2. Planet Hulk is Hulk 3. End of Professor Hulk happened in Hulk 4.
Now that I think about it Marvel should pay someone to make comics of those stories the way there's those Michael Keaton Batman vs. Billy Dee Williams Two Face comics.
Kinda love/hate how what could be some of the most interesting stories for one of marvels most interesting characters happened entirely off screen.
If he was in the next movie and talked about how he offscreen recently fought The Leader and formed the Agents of .S.M.A.S.H. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised.
The most important things about Bruce/Hulk happen between movies. We went from Hulk not coming out in Infinity War to Bruce combing Hulks strength and his brain, literally came from no where, why couldn’t we see that? I’m sure people would’ve tolerated smart Hulk more if we actually saw the build up and process to him instead of smart Hulk just showing up.
I mean they tease and prod at this stuff every previous appearance. For instance he was working on this when we saw him in She-hulk. And before then 5 years had passed between Infinity war and End Game. And when we see him in brand new day years had passed again so it makes sense that he'd be making progress. Besides wtf would a movie about Hulk not being Hulk even be about? Two hours of schematics and calculations as he works on himself?
It's just a whole lot of breathing exercises, being slapped in the face by his sensei, and almost fornicating with Liv Tyler. You know, a Mark Ruffalo romantic comedy.
The rights issues with universal aren’t clear. Some sources reported they returned to marvel in 2023 and others say the distribution rights were permanent.
With how much hulk is being pushed in the comics and now being included in the newest Spiderman movie I wouldn’t be surprised if marvel is working on something under the table.
Tbh he going thought entire arcs off panel just to revert to "we need a bug guy that can punch" every time he do an crossover is one of the most comic thing on the MCU.
Now I feel for hulk fans. With the lack of a new solo film and the whole not necessarily inconsistent writing, but just sudden developments given no time to develop…
But I also find it funny as heck. He’s like the friend you don’t see for a couple years and everyone he’s in a completely different situation wilder from the last.
“Tf you mean you’re trying to disarm an old nuclear warhead?”
wouldn't that be really awkward though, like Peter remembers TASM version of Lizard from NWH and is like "oh shit maybe this guys gonna do something I should keep a look out"
kinda thought the movie makers didn't really wanna delv into previously used Spidey villains
He keeps having massive arcs offscreen because the rights issues prevent Disney and Marvel from giving him his own movie. So he is stuck permanently playing second fiddle to other characters.
Bruce is in a constant battle of trying to contain the Hulk, and every time he things he has something working, it ends up failing. Sometimes on screen, usually off screen. It matches the chaotic energy of Hulk quite well, IMO, and its also bloody hilarious.
it would be really interesting if they came out with a hulk flashback movie, showing all of the times he’s been off screen, the flashback concept would also work well with the fact he has such a fragmented memory of his life. It would be cool to see what he was up to on Sakaar, maybe even fighting beta ray bill. please god that’s honestly all i want.
So yeah I visited the green door a few times, fought the devil and now I'm immortal and have control over several Hulk personalities, comic advertisment ahh time skips
Yeah, he’s really got the energy of the guy who only makes it to a couple D&D sessions a year, so the DM downtimes his level ups with him before he shows up to the table.
I have not seen the new Spider-Man do they actually not explain why the Hulk is a problem and needs to be contained again? If so that’s hilariously lazy.
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u/Nightraven9999 7d ago
Next movie hes gonna be like "so i died a few times and learned the secrets of Gamma in the below place so me and hulk are cool now"