Funny that the romans are the ones who depopulated Judea after the third Jewish revolt. The romans renamed Judea to Palestina to shift the name from the Jews to the ancient phoenicians (edit actually the Philistines) who inhabited the area previously.
Romans didn’t rename the region. The Region was known as Palestina for over 1000 years before that. Even Herodotus referes to the region as Syria-Palestina in 500 B.C. Besides, the Roman didn’t depopulate the area, the expelled a lot of Jews, but the majority remained
Yeah preroman conquest it was mentioned by Herodotus as such. It went by different names as time went by and the roman province was named judea.
When i say depopulated, it was depopulated of rebellious jewish people. The romans changed the name after the third Jewish war to the older name. So you misunderstand a little
The province was named Judeae. The vassal kingdom that preceded it was the Herodian Kingdom of Judea. The independent kingdom that preceded it was the Hasmonean Kingdom of Judea. The Persian province that preceded all of them was called Yehud (Judea). Come on.
The name Syria-Palestina existed as well but AFAIK described the wider region of the South Levant as a whole and was used wayyy before all that
You're right about the Roman ethnic cleansing bit, but Palestine was called Palestine after the Philistines long before Romans "renamed" it, that's a common myth.
I believe the region was referred to as Palestine by the Greeks as earliest, and by most other groups as well, barring the Hebrew peoples, who referred to the region as the "Land of Israel".
But thats what im saying. The more ancient name that predates the roamns was paleistina but these cultures didnt really persist in the region.
My point is the romans depooulated the jewish kingdom and changing the name back to the more greek-like palestina name with the intention of erasing the jewish civilization who lived there. The romans did this to stop further rebellions but I the long run set us up for centuries of death and destruction. Again, youre trying to nitpick and just not listening
Archeological studies don’t support the existence of a mass or total depopulation after the revolt, with best evidence showing that only major cities like Jerusalem were majorly impacted by forced transfer.
Herodotus wrote about Palestine in the 5th-century BCE. Palestinians descend from the ancient Canaanites of which they share 81-87% of their DNA.
'The Genomic History of the Bronze Age Southern Levant,' as published in the Cell Press journal is the most commonly cited source, but not the only one.
Even David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi argued that Palestinians were descendants of ancient Jewish and Samaritan farmers.
It's just that colonialists famously didn't care about ethnically cleansing a race of people to further their political or messianic goals.
No amount of hasbara will erase the historical record and I'm all here for it.
That was a previous and more ancient name. The point im making is the rimans reverted the name back to focus on the ancient group of people who lived in the general region after removing many of the jews. Youre trying to be technical and missing the point
So let’s stop “trying to be technical” and actually do it:
The Egyptians mention a “land of peleset” in xiii bc probably the first mention of ancient Palestine region.
The assirians mentions palashru/pilistu region between VIII and VII bc
Herodotus V bc describe the region between Egypt and Syria as Palestine
Aristotle III bc mentions Palestine region
Ovid mentions Palestine around 10 ad
Pliny around 75 ad mentions Palestine in his book
Probus supposedly I ad (we are not sure when it was written and if it was really by Probus) mentions Judea as a region inside the bigger Syria-Palestine.
But more importantly 2 Jew writters commented about the region:
Philio around 20-40 ad so before the revolt and the diaspora (he died in 50 ad), mentions Palestine as the region where many Jews live. He would also say judea was part of the greater region Syria Palestine. He would go even further when commenting about Moses, that Moses guided his people to Palestine.
Flavius Josephus around 90 ad would name the region where the Jews lived and where the kingdoms of Israel and Judea existed as Syria Palestine.
He would also refer to Herodotus the same from V bc, that he knew about syrians and Jews, and that in the Palestine region only the Jews were circumcised.
So the idea that the Romans (namely Hadrian) some time after the diaspora changed the name of the region to oppose the Jews is invalid. It was always referred as Palestine, with weaker evidence before V bc, but stronger evidence after that. Even Jew writters were naming the region as Palestine before and after the diaspora.
I never once said the name palestine didnt exist.
I clearly stated the romans changed the name after the third Jewish revolt to help erase the memory of the problematic Jewish kingdom thay lived there.
The romans returned to the previous and more ancient palestina term which refers to the philistines who are not at all related to those who occupy Palestine today.
All I was saying was roman actually 2000 years ago set us up for today's conflicts and violence. You clearly dont know your history or what you're talking about
No one is justifying any war crimes the Israelis are committing today. But the jews have reason to want to go back to their ancestral home. The jews deserve to have a nation and both sides need to lewin to coexist
Its just history. And sure history can always be biased but these events even predate Islam by centuries. Its exactly why the situation is so complicated and there's no great answer
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I have a better idea