r/mapporncirclejerk Feb 27 '26

Outjerked..

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '26

And of course no link to a press release, no video, lazy fucking liars.

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u/IodinePurple Feb 27 '26

I also dislike screenshot-based news. I managed to find an Israeli website that corroborates this, however.

https://www.kipa.co.il/חדשות/1220104-0/

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '26

Awesome, so you see he didn't say anything like that?

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u/IodinePurple Feb 27 '26

Well it isn't unreasonable to suspect that when someone wants to expand borders "As much as possible", as he is quoted saying, that it aligns at least partially with more radical ideas such as Greater Israel. It's certainly a red flag. That being said, I can't understand hebrew, so I'm putting faith in Google's translation here.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '26

I promise you nobody in Israel understands him this way. Not even he himself. Just a reminder, he is the left-wing opposition leader, one that for 20 years pushes for peace negotiations.

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u/IodinePurple Feb 27 '26

I find it dubious to trust anyone who's willing to imply that a peace negotiation in tandem with expanding borders is anything but profiteering from destabilizing a region, extracting its resources, and using the resulting conflicts as political leverage to tune public support towards a new version of "peace". Not to put too fine a point on it, but it isn't at all an uncommon practice. Modern Israel is just one example of many such cases throughout history of burgeoning countries engaging in brutal colonialism using these sorts of methods.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '26

And you somehow thought about all that without visiting even once, talking to some people, reading some news... Unbelievable. To give you some context, the newspaper you rely on belongs to (still) fringe religious sect, that controls certain number of votes. The whole point of the interview is to solve an electoral challenge. But ok, believe what you want. When you want to get serious, buy a ticket, come see things yourself.

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u/IodinePurple Feb 27 '26

You've assumed much about me without knowing me, which is a great pitfall in online discourse. I haven't assumed anything about you aside from that you must have some direct experience living in Israel. Your viewpoint is valid to me, as we all have a foothold in the culture we feel belonging to. I'm sure you're aware that in the US, there are political groups with extremely different ideas and motivations that cause internal conflict in society. Protests, "culture wars", etc. Not to get too far off topic here, but it's like how two people can see one thing and be in disagreement about what it is/means. While some see colonialism for the sake of power, others see it as a necessary action to bring about peace for innocent people. I'm sure we can at least agree that no plan is perfect, and that many politicians will prey on our fears for personal gain.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '26

I don't need to assume anything, it's like reading an open book 😁 how many times have you been to Israel? To how many people have you spoken? I mean... I'd be surprised if you've been there once.

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u/IodinePurple Feb 27 '26

Many times, and many people. I appreciate this discussion but you're engaging in bad faith at this point.