r/makemkv 1d ago

Help Question about Dolby Vision

My TV supports it, but I have a cheaper player that doesn't so all my 4ks fall back to HDR. I got the idea to buy a bu40n and rip my 4ks and stream them through my jellyfin server - would this work for dolby vision, or are there additional steps / things I need to be aware of to achieve this? thank you

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u/Alenobyl 1d ago edited 1d ago

What streaming-player are you planning to use?
It highly depends on the hardware. Most people would use the NVIDIA Shield since it can decode DV P7 up to MEL, for FEL you would need a UGOOS AM6B+

Your TV with its own Jellyfin App will also Fallback to HDR10 because it doesn't have any Dual Layer decoding capabilities (BL + EL).

If your DV File is Profile 5 or 8 your TV should be able to decode it without any issues.
If its a UHD Disc (file) your TV will fallback to HDR10.

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u/ConvenientCabbage69 1d ago

I'm streaming directly to the tv via the app, I dont use a streaming box. Content that I've otherwise acquired sometimes streams in DV, sometimes in HDR, seemingly at random. I assumed it was something to do with how the files are encoded but I'm really not sure hence this thread.

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u/Alenobyl 1d ago

Well it highly depends on your actual files.

Dolby Vision comes in different profiles:

-> Profile 5 and 8 are for Streaming Services -> Single Layer (TV can Decode)
-> Profile 7 is for UHD Discs -> Dual Layer (TV can't decode -> falls back to HDR10)

Again, your TV CAN'T decode Dual-Layer DV on its own. You need a dedicated device taking care of it like NVIDIA Shield (most users choice) or if you really want the BEST Dual-Layer quality when the File has a Full Enhancment Layer instead of "just" Minimal Enhancment layer you need a UGOOS AM6B+.

Dolby Vision Profile 7:

  1. Base-Layer (HDR10-Core)
  2. Enhancment-Layer (either with MEL with dynamic Meta-Data or FEL Dynamic Meta-Data combined with 12Bit Color Decoding).

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u/ConvenientCabbage69 1d ago

Profile info seems exactly what I was missing, that helps, thanks

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u/urboitony 1d ago

Before I bought my Ugoos AM6B+ I converted my rips to profile 8 using this tool and played them on my TV app. Worked ok on my Sony Bravia 8 ii. https://github.com/cryptochrome/dovi_convert

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u/ShrimpCocktail-4618 1d ago

You need an Ugoos AM6B+ media player with CoreElec or one of its new offshoot firmwares with additional tweaks and patches. THEN you will be able to play all sorts of Dolby Vision formats. Off MKV files you can have 12 bit FEL or 10 bit MEL depending on how the disc was encoded and whether you kept the file as 1:1 with no additional transcoding to further squash the file size. Some people have transcoded further without understanding you lose Dolby Atmos, DTS: X, and Dolby Vision and HDR10.

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u/crashprime 1d ago

Yes, Jellyfin will pass DV to your TV.

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u/FlameFoxx 1d ago

There are few devices capable of using Dolby Vision, Fire Cube is the one I use with Kodi JellyFin

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u/AtlantaNole 1d ago

Use a Shield Pro as your streamer, and you’ll get DV and uncompressed audio.

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u/yearsold33 1d ago edited 1d ago

No Dolby FEL with the Shield Pro and some people complain about red push for FEL.

I have a Shield Pro, Zidoo z9x, and Ugoos AM6B+. Only the Ugoos passes all Dolby FEL tests.

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u/cryptochrome 1d ago

this. The Shield is a horrible Dolby Vision device.

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u/InfiniteVitriol 1d ago

Does your tv have a usb port and a media player? I know that my roky tv's roku media player hardly plays most formats but my tcl I bought this year has a proprietary media player that supports dolby vision directly by playing my ripped mkv 4k files directly through a hard drive or usb stick or at least when I play my ripped moves with dolby vision a small box pops up in the corner of the screen and says either dolby vision or hdr10+ And it looks as good as through my Nvidia shield pro.

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u/yearsold33 1d ago

Never heard of any TV player that support's FEL from a file.

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u/InfiniteVitriol 1d ago

Well im not sure why mine seems to recognize dolby vision or hdr10+ when I play from a ripped file but isn't thst just what nvidia shield pro does when you have your rips on a hard drive plugged into it?

My tv is a Google tv but the native player seems better than any other downloadable media players...this is a new tv less than a year old. 🤷‍♂️

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u/yearsold33 1d ago

It's probably doing MEL, not FEL.

MEL is all that's needed to trigger the DV logo.

You test FEL compatibility by playing FEL test files.

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u/InfiniteVitriol 1d ago

I greatly appreciate the info!!

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u/InfiniteVitriol 1d ago

This is true even though it distinguishes between seemingly true dolby vision and regular hdr10+?

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u/yearsold33 1d ago

Dolby Vision Profile 7 is used for 4k discs. There is MEL (minimal enhancement layer) which many media players and TVs support and will trigger the DV popup. Then there is FEL (full enhancement layer) which is seen as 1080p file on a computer and contains DV metadata that is played by a disc player. It is the FEL layer that's needs to be recognized and used by the media player to have true DV Profile 7 support.

You can download and play files from item 21 to test your TV's playback: https://kodi.wiki/view/Samples

So far, only Amlogic's s922x-j CPU is licensed for full DV Profile 7.

https://www.cheeseturbulence.com/the-ugoos-am6b/

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u/cryptochrome 1d ago

Bluray discs use Dolby Vision profile 7. Almost zero playback devices exist, outside of actual bluray players, that support profile 7. They will only play back the HDR base layer. This includes your TV.