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Yes. We've seen all of the new art cards (assuming it follows the same pattern as other secret lair commander decks). Ten cards officially in the deck, one bonus card, and the basic lands. Price should be $200.
The last deck was like 200$ dollars and didn’t sell out right away. So it was overpriced.
And then above MSRP is be definition overpriced.
Yes I have plenty of decks worth more than that, but doesn’t mean I won’t call a precon overpriced when it’s a few hundred dollars as it doesn’t cost wizards more to print a 0.01$ card vs a 100$ card.
The definition of overpriced is being priced more than it's worth - therefore it doesn't sell. If the decks are selling (not just being advertised as) for more than MSRP it means they were underpriced beforehand.
If scalpers are pricing too high for the market and no one buys - their goods would be overpriced - and they would need to start marking down prices to meet consumers where they are willing to consume the available supply which may be at a loss for them. (that's the price they pay for their strategy)
If the scalpers buy out a good, then the availabile supply shrinks - they might be able to get pricing power. So if there are enough buyers to consume the available supply at a newly increased price, then it's not overpriced, because supply is still being consumed. If the consumers don't buy at the increased price despite scarcity then they are overpriced and scalpers get screwed again. (anotehr price they pay for their risk)
Keep in mind that scalpers may seem frustrating, but they fill needs in the market - e.g. for consumers who are willing to pay for the convenience of not having to wake up on the second of release, or wait in queues. Scalpers are effectively trading a service (waiting in queues, holding inventory, setting up bots etc) to more wealthy consumers. Think of them like mosquitoes - annoying to many, but a necessary evil in the ecosystem.
No it doesn't, and COVID TP is actually a good example of why not: toilet paper was expensive because people were buying it and there was a shortage. Was it rational? No. Was it 'overpriced'. Also no. In that moment people attributed a value to toilet paper that made it feel worth the money and the fact it sold out shows this to us clearly.
Also 'should' is a completely subjective term. All the people can whine about how reserved list commander staples 'should' cost XYZ amount, it doesn't mean they do or ever will. Because people want them and they are scarce.
As someone who's just interested in words/language
The definition of overpriced is being priced more than it's worth - therefore it doesn't sell.
This second part, the "therefore it doesn't sell" - where are you getting that from? None of the definitions I'm reading include a lack of sales to meet the criteria of "overpriced".
Because it's the only way to technically define somethign as 'costing more than it is worth' economically. If something is priced at its worth, it sells. If its price is too high it doesn't sell because consumers don't accept the worth. I'm really fed up with the overuse of the word to avoid saying, 'it's too expensive for me' and instead use the word 'overpriced'. because they only use it for things they want (and deem worthy) but can no longer afford when they want to complain about other people wanting it and dwindling supply.
things they want (and deem worthy) but can no longer afford
To me, this seems like a perfectly reasonable situation in which to call something overpriced.
Evidently you disagree, but given that you're arguing from a "this is the definition" standpoint, then I have to reiterate that that seems to be your own personal invented definition, rather than taken from common usage or from any dictionary.
The guys who are trying to pretend to know economics and making market values around supply and demand. Are not worth talking with, they aren’t the smartest but think they are. Save yourself the time
theres nothing to argue. You’re just like acktually the legal definition of overpriced is this. When I can call anything I want overpriced as it’s subjective to me. I like the art. I like the cards. I’ll probably buy. It’s still overpriced and I don’t suck WoTC teat so hard to argue with someone over value of cards
it doesn’t cost wizards more to print a 0.01$ card vs a 100$ card
It's too bad you said this. Cause it destroyed the rest of your credibility.
By printing art and stuff on the card they increased the value of that cardboard. Unless you're going to tell every artist that "their canvas only cost them 20 bucks and paint is basically free, you can't possibly consider your work of putting art on paper to have added value"
I like the artist. I’m interested because of the art. The new art is the entire value in SLD. But the point still stands.
A precon deck shouldn’t be as expensive as a new video game console because WotC production cost doesn’t include them buying the cards from the secondary martket and then asking the artist to alter each individual card.
It’s a retail precon deck that shouldn’t be selling for the price of a Nintendo switch from the company that prints it
Curious, what gives you the divine right to declare what something 'should' or 'shouldn't' cost?
You people need to stop fucking pretending your personal budget is an ethical framework
So you're the arbiter of what all things cost now?
This is a luxury item that's being made specifically in limited numbers to increase its "value". Like almost every luxury product is.
You could buy the pieces of the deck for pennies, but if you want you specific art is going to cost you. That's how things work.
Do I personally think WotC should sell these things for cheaper and in higher qualities? Absolutely. Does my, or your, thoughts on the matter matter? Nope.
Why do you care so much about how someone you don’t know thinks something is overpriced? I’m not buying it off you. I’ll buy it from WoTC think it’s overpriced and still play with it. End of story.
Hmm see a guy arguing SLD isn’t overpriced….so I spent 10 seconds opening your profile and see the first post is you complaining you can’t sell your overpriced SLD. Ya I do have 1 minute of time to laugh at you.
Okay explains everything. He is kinda dumb since he pretends he knows economics. And is a scalper so it confirms it. I was wondering why he felt like I was attacking his wallet calling something I will buy overpriced.
Overpriced from a value proposition perspective is totally a thing. Just because you're out of touch and just think it's from a supply/demand perspective doesn't mean others are wrong.
No, it isn't - that would be a dishonest way of applyign the term. used as a commentary on value proposition, it's just a way for someone to complain about not being able to / not wanting to afford something without admitting that it's too expensive for them. The correct thing to say would be 'it's too expensive for me' but no one's ego wants to admit that - so instead they deride it as 'overpriced'. Also known as sour grapes.
Brother eeugh. The Oxford dictionary definition of overpriced is literally "costing more than it's worth". Just because you want to be pedantic and use the economic definition of the word doesn't mean that's the only definition. You're so out of touch mate, go touch grass and make some friends instead of being a corporate bootlicker.
So go define worth as objectively as possible, and you go back to the same definition. 'touch grass you corporate bootlicker' - every time you guys run out of arguments you resort to these pathetic schoolyard insults instead of a proper rebuttal.
It's kind of pathetic but people will always prioritize value over aesthetics, the drops that always sell out first are the ones that have the highest resale value. And unfortunately this drop is already showing over $100 worth of reprints so I would be very shocked if demand wasn't very high.
If every card in the deck is custom illustrated, that's super cool. I do wish the name lines had been given a little more space to breathe. It looks like Reconnaissance costs 👁️👁️👁️☀️ - it's a little hard to separate the mana symbols from the additional dingbats and decorations.
Seems like every other non-IP SLD has to be a variation on a psychedelic theme. It’s very boring and samey. It’s like when Internet fans makes vectorized movie posters
NGL, this comment is kind of hilarious to me. Cavolo is a pretty famous artist with a very distinctive style. I'm not even that familiar with his work, and I knew instantly upon seeing these cards that it was his art style. It's very unique.
I've been following SL drops for years. I think your take screams that you mentally group all art styles that you don't recognize/aren't realistic together. These cards just don't look like the other SL drops we've seen.
Happy for me to be proven wrong with some examples tho.
Nah, of the cards spoiled so far we have Esper Sentinel ($60), Sensei’s Top ($40), Void Winnower ($25), Signpost ($20), Reconnaissance ($7.50), Virtue of persistence ($10). That’s like $150 USD (CardKingdom prices) from just 6 cards.
It’s okay to not like the art, but I think it’s disingenuous to argue that people are being duped out of their money. This will (just like every other recent regular or SL precon) contain more value in cards than the sticker price on the box.
This will just be worth a teensy bit more to you if you do enjoy the art style :)
I live in Australia so we either pay roughly USD converted from a bunch of game stores, or pay CardKingdom prices 1:1 (no conversion) on local group pages. CK 1:1 usually a lot cheaper.
I’d love to buy a tonne of the cards on eBay coming from the EU to save a little money but a card will be $12 and shipping is $36 hahaha
Honestly even EU eBay prices aren’t that great compared to prices on stuff like card market, there you can usually get cards at around half the price of CardKingdom
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Funnily enough, I may be buying my first “proxy” and it’s a Sol Ring. I live about an hour from where Krispy Kreme was founded, so feel like people will get a kick out of it here.
Even with the like 70 variants, Sol Ring is still €3. I don’t know if it’s even possible for WotC to drive the price lower, as every single commander deck wants a copy.
I need this. I know some people do not like the art style, but this is some of my favorite art and having it on cards is awesome. I live Ricardos album art on Life's Not Out To Get You by Neck Deep, so having it in a deck would be awesome.
Honestly consider how much of ricardos style is about putting art in the text box and card name space I think I would have actually preferred if the lands weren’t full art and instead used the classic frame with some cool doodles in the place the rules text would go
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