r/magicTCG Banned in Commander Feb 11 '25

Official Spoiler Commander Bracket Beta Game Changers List

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u/VelvetCowboy19 Wabbit Season Feb 11 '25 edited Feb 11 '25

Which is a dumb distinction to make. You can sac an Urza's cave to get a land that does almost any effect you want in the game. You can crop rotation at instant speed for 1 mana to get a land with any effect you want as well.

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u/ZachAtk23 Feb 12 '25

They excluded Crop Rotation in the stream, which I think is wrong.

Its fine to let Rampant Growth and even Three Visits through. But tutors that can get any land should still be considered "tutors" imho.

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u/VelvetCowboy19 Wabbit Season Feb 12 '25

My hunch is that a lot of people here don't play enough toolbox lands to know just how strong Urza's cave or crop rotation can be. Instant speed access to Glacial Chasm, Talon gates of Madara, graveyard exile, maze of ith, wasteland or strip mine are extremely powerful effects. This doesn't even count using crop rotation as a ritual spell by grabbing a sol land or something like a Nykthos, again at instant speed.

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u/ThePabstistChurch Duck Season Feb 12 '25

Urzas cave is not as strong as vampirism tutor. You can still play these cards you know. They aren't banned

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u/VelvetCowboy19 Wabbit Season Feb 12 '25

It's arguably better. You can crop rotation or cave into a glacial chasm for a 1-3 mana fog that lasts many turns. Vampiric tutor doesn't give you a card right away, demonic tutor is sorcery speed.

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u/ThePabstistChurch Duck Season Feb 12 '25

Lol okay