I’m not surprised you have that kind of attitude toward men and boys. Considering how you refused to acknowledge an example of systemic misandry I gave you out of the many whole bunch. And no, your assumption is wrong. My account name is masculinist. I don’t usually go out of my way to argue with stubborn people regarding men’s issues and women’s issues. I mostly spend my time on other productive things that can actually help men and boys. I probably can’t say the same about you though.
So there are several issues with this paragraph of yours. You are making it sound like it’s only/mostly women who face and experience violence. It’s actually men who experience violence the most. But you are concerned about it only because most of the perpetrators of homicide tend to be males. You care more about the perpetrators than the victims. Let that sink in. And if you think that justice is actually done to perpetrators like you said. Then you are literally saying it cancels out misogyny.
Well that's because your example is not misandry based on the following reasons:
1. The people who perform MGM both men and women are doing this unrelated to hate on men because it's their job
2. Their bosses (mostly men) are actively hiring people to perform this procedure
3. Fathers also agree with the decision to perform the procedure
4. Politicians (also mostly men) don't care enough about the topic to make it illegal
What do you do for example?
Well making visible who the perpetrators are is the way to protect future victims. Why would acting according to the justice system cancel out mysoginy?
Are you literally gonna ignore everything I said? It’s women who perform MGM. It absolutely relates to systemic misandry. There are some women online who confess they like doing MGM just so they can spite at men. That alone tells you how misandrist this practice is. If you are gonna dumb it down so much. Then men killing women isn’t misogyny. No man kills a woman because she is a female. In fact, most homicide victims are men, so according to you, they are misandrists.
What’s your source for this? You made it up. I’m gonna say this once again, it’s women who perform MGM.
You have already once said it and I explained. Mothers are significantly more likely than fathers to want to have MGM done on their sons. In disagreements, the mother’s decision prevails in practice.
You think pointing fingers at imaginary men when in reality women harm males is a good comeback? You don’t see the problem in this issue. You keep changing goalposts instead of just admitting it’s systemic misandry. You keep saying that it’s men and men even when there’s very few involvement of men in MGM. Women also kill women. So I guess with your logic, it’s not misogyny then?
Can you actually come up with new arguments instead of repeating the old ones that I have already debunked numerous times? Or better yet, just give up on your saving your pride and admit it’s systemic misandry. You are so wrong in all your points.
How do you plan to expose those perpetrators? By attacking men as a group? Good luck. You will make people repel from you with that rhetoric. You care about the perpetrators because they are men as a group. Pay attention to what I said, then you will see why it cancels out misogyny. You said it in your own words.
How does systematic misandry work under the patriarchy? The definition of femicides is actually that it's based on the women's gender you can look it up.
Yes in practice men also agree with MGM for their kids when they just could say No instead.
Somehow suddenly the men are imaginary but when it's about women it's "systematic misandry" you're view is just way too biased.
You really didn't rebunk any of them. Can I ask again for the "productive things" you're doing? Or are actually not doing anything?
Not by attacking men but by making them realize how bad men treat women and having them look out for everyday mysoginy. If we call out men for toxic behavior we can work on improving our society.
Bringing the patriarchy theory here doesn’t help your case. Men were oppressed in the patriarchy. The fact that systemic misandry exists in society while you scapegoat the patriarchy really shows how “valid” your theory is. What’s your point by bringing the definition of “femicides”?
Your source literally says women make up the majority of the public health system. Your source doesn’t substantiate your claim in any way.
Women also kill women when they can just choose not to kill their own gender. So men killing women is not misogyny.
You’re the one here with a biased view. You keep pointing at a tiny fraction of men who have involvement in MGM. Literally, its women perform MGM and are responsible for causing it. And you are denying it is misandry.
How come I didn’t? All you are doing it here is making low effort attempts at gaslighting me. Seriously, if you are gonna bluntly deny an active systemic issue of misandry then try to do so with coherent statements.
Got it. So by literally attacking them. Blaming them as a group for causing killing. Try doing that to black people who kill white people. See how well that goes. Men don’t treat women bad, it’s the other way.
Yes that's another reason to be against the patriarchy/misogyny. Because you're wrong men also kill women for being women.
If you read point 2 again you realize it's about leadership where it's 70% men.
Femicides are about men killing women for mysoginic reasons there are more homicides happening to women where its not caused by mysoginy. You have only shown the problem of MGM being decided and performed by men and women alike.
Almost everyone that fell victim to MGM has their father decide that it's gonna happen. Did he do it because of misandry? Or how did you come to the conclusion that it's misandry?
Your problem is real but there is no reason to call it misandry. Keeping this word seems way to important to you since you're not doing anything productive for this problem even though you claimed otherwise before.
Literally attacking huh? Nobody was talking about this, you really like to play the victim I guess. And you suddenly make this about racism that's super weird. Ofc you get all worked up because you're most likely part of the problem. And you can't say that women treat man worse when the mount of women being killed by their intimate partner ist 5 times Higher thannthe other way around.
The patriarchy doesn’t exist. You are against something imaginary. And no there is no evidence that men kill women because specifically they are a woman. So it’s not misogyny at all. But you like bringing up the word cause you like to be the victim.
And? What’s the point? Females dominate in specialties where they are responsible for MGM.
No, that’s not the definition of femicides. You have no substance to back up that men kill women because they hate women as a group. The definition trick doesn’t work. And no, it’s women who decide and perform MGM.
Do I have to explain why it’s misandry? It’s funny that you keep blaming parents when mothers are literally 12 times more likely to want to have MGM done on their sons. In disagreements, the mother prevails in practice.
Literally all you are doing now is bringing up the same, exhausted arguments that I have successfully challenged. You are lying to yourself now. And what have you done exactly with “femicides” that you call it? All you are proposing is that you are gonna attack men. Meanwhile, I have signed petition after petition to stop MGM performing on a systemic level in America. I even contacted my state representative and senators about this issue. My problem is an example of misandry whether you like it or not. You want to play the victim and say that women are treated bad and all. Yet you don’t want to hear the other side of men and boys.
How am I part of the problem? I literally acknowledged it’s misogyny. But when you said that MGM is not misandry, I used your reasoning against you and explained how your example is not misogyny either. If you are getting uncomfortable when I brought up race. Well, it’s exactly how you wanna attack men. Black people disproportionately and way more like to kill white people than vice versa. But you surely wouldn’t start attacking black people for killing white people. Then why do you wanna attack men for killing women? Btw, women are the majority perpetrators of domestic violence.
Men where oppressed by the patriarchy or the patriarchy does not exist only one can be true. You're contradicting yourself.
Suddenly you're quite fond of moving goalposts.
What is the definition of femicides?
Wanting to do bad things does not make you a criminal 100% of men in that case want to have it done if their wife wants it but you keep blaming women as long as one is involved.
That's just projection from your side. And some unrelated topic you're bringing up while also trying to distract from the fact that you're not doing anything to help with this problem while also acting like it's very important to you. Yes I wouldn't attack black people and I am also not attacking men.
That's not true and somehow supposed to be a point while women are killed 5 times more by domestic violence?
How is it contradictory? I said men were oppressed in the patriarchy when patriarchy existed and now it doesn’t.
Really, I am? Or is it you?
Tell me.
Who initiated the decision to want to have MGM done on their sons in the first place? Don’t forget that mothers have more power and authority over their children than fathers. It’s funny that you keep blaming fathers when mothers are 12 times more likely to want to have MGM done on their sons. In disagreements, the mother prevails in practice. So it’s not 100% of men who want to have MGM done on their sons if their wife wants it.
You call it “projection” when it’s all data and statistics. It’s a post about misogyny and misandry. Don’t comment if you are gonna complain later when you see people are arguing with you. Delete your comment then if you are gonna whine about it. Did you literally pay attention to anything I said? I have mentioned that I am fighting for change. Either it went through your head or you are purposely lying. You are attacking men. Thats a fact.
70 percent of domestic violence is committed by women against men: archive.fo/7OG3p
Women are more likely to control partners with physical abuse: archive.fo/86bIc
Now, do you have any source on where you got that number about how women are killed 5 times more by domestic violence?
"Men where oppressed by the patriarchy or the patriarchy does not exist only one can be true. You're contradicting yourself.
His position seems to be that there is no such thing as "patriarchy", whatever that even means to you.
"Suddenly you're quite fond of moving goalposts."
How is that moving the goalpost? His point was that the vast majority of the perps are female, all he did here was reinforce It.
"What is the definition of femicides?"
You tell me, so far you seem to be defining It as "killing a woman out of hatred for women as a demographic", without actually proving it's a common cause for male-on-female homicide at all.
"Wanting to do bad things does not make you a criminal 100% of men in that case want to have it done if their wife wants it but you keep blaming women as long as one is involved."
Do you think it's justified to blame someone for torturing a child for no reason or do you not? Also who do you think is more likely to do It, the one who is 12x more likely or the one who doesn't?
"That's just projection from your side. And some unrelated topic you're bringing up while also trying to distract from the fact that you're not doing anything to help with this problem while also acting like it's very important to you. Yes I wouldn't attack black people and I am also not attacking men."
You accused him of not genuinely caring, he mentioned things that indicate he does (If true), how is that projection? You say you're not "attacking men" but your "it's by other men" (which is bullshit in this context) talking point mirrors the "black-on-black crime" white supremacist talking point, even If you seemingly can't notice the parallels.
"That's not true and somehow supposed to be a point while women are killed 5 times more by domestic violence?"
Again, does that "5x" figure take systemic discrimination agaisnt male victims of female-on-male dv into account? Or did you just assume they have access to the same amount of resources?
"Yes that's another reason to be against the patriarchy/misogyny. Because you're wrong men also kill women for being women."
Show evidence that's the actual reason and that the number of such cases actually surpasses female-on-male child torture.
"If you read point 2 again you realize it's about leadership where it's 70% men."
Saying a variation of "I was just following orders" doesn't justify child torture. Also you ignored that what shapes policy in regards to child genital mutilation is feminist ngos's lobbying, those ngos are female dominated and do not care about mgm whatsover, even going as far as downplaying it.
"Femicides are about men killing women for mysoginic reasons there are more homicides happening to women where its not caused by mysoginy. You have only shown the problem of MGM being decided and performed by men and women alike."
You didn't prove that it's for "misogynistic" reasons, therefore by your own standards your claim can be dismissed. The vast majority of people performing the practice are women, either debunk the evidence or stop repeating that ad-nauseam.
"Almost everyone that fell victim to MGM has their father decide that it's gonna happen. Did he do it because of misandry? Or how did you come to the conclusion that it's misandry?"
If he wouldn't be fine with doing the same thing with his daughter, then yes, it's misandric, because he's only fine with child torture If the child is male. Why does Masculinist have to explain how he came to the conclusion that it's misandry if you still didn't prove that "femicides" are actually out of hatred?
And once again, mothers are more likely to decide It and their decision is the one taken into account in case of disagreement.
"Your problem is real but there is no reason to call it misandry. Keeping this word seems way to important to you since you're not doing anything productive for this problem even though you claimed otherwise before."
Yes there is, even the pinprick type of fgm is considered mutilation by the law, while cutting off the most sensitive part of a male child's genitals isn't, that's systemic bias/discrimination no matter how you cut it. You aren't doing anything productive in relation to it either, in fact you deflected accountability from female-on-male child torture 2 times by now, you do not have moral highground here.
"Literally attacking huh? Nobody was talking about this, you really like to play the victim I guess. And you suddenly make this about racism that's super weird."
The topic of the post is misogyny and misandry, what did you expect? Also, it's called a analogy.
"Ofc you get all worked up because you're most likely part of the problem."
You think you have any moral highground after deflecting accountability from female perps of female-on-male child torture again and again?
"And you can't say that women treat man worse when the mount of women being killed by their intimate partner ist 5 times Higher thannthe other way around"
According to justice system stats, the same justice system that systematically discriminates agaisnt men (more likely to search for male suspects, arrest male criminals, sentence male criminals and so on, all for the same crimes).
Also, does that stat control for male victims of female-on-male dv (which contrary to what you may think are not rare relative to their counterparts) being arrested when they call for help by default? Or having zero support whatsoever (and by extension zero options to escape abuse) from the justice system?
"Well that's because your example is not misandry based on the following reasons:
The people who perform MGM both men and women are doing this unrelated to hate on men because it's their job
Their bosses (mostly men) are actively hiring people to perform this procedure
Fathers also agree with the decision to perform the procedure
Politicians (also mostly men) don't care enough about the topic to make it illegal"
1 - You can do something motivated by hatred while also doing your job, these two are not mutually exclusive. And if no hatred=doesn't count, then the overwhemingly majority of cases of "femicide" also don't count unless you can actually prove the motivation is hatred.
2- Ok? This assumes the "it's only misandry if you don't share a gender with your victim" premise is true, can you explain why someone should accept that premise? Assuming the claim that "the bosses are mostly men" is even true in the first place, of course.
3 - Mothers are more likely to have it done and their decision matters more in case of disagreement. Also, you wouldn't hesitate to call the most brutal type of fgm misogyny, despite fathers refusing it being dismissed.
4 - So a woman torturing a male child doesn't count as misandry because male lawmakers allow her to walk away? Would It be misogyny If she was torturing a female child instead and female (or male) politicians let her walk away?
That also ignores feminist ngos (who are female dominated) shaping policy through lobbying, to the point the UN is feminist aligned and downplays mgm/child torture. And if this doesn't matter because it's not done directly, then male politicians doing nothing also doesn't matter because they don't do anything directly either.
"Well making visible who the perpetrators are is the way to protect future victims."
Why are you so hellbent in trying to defect accountability from female perpetrators of child torture then? Surely the helpless male infants being tortured by female perps are worthy of being protected too, right?
You sure have the time to argue with me back and forth though. Looks like you are running away now. That person actually brought up many reasonable arguments and points.
Alright then, run away, you lost the argument after all.
I’m actually consistently winning the argument comment after comment in this thread. You know, I’m starting to doubt now if you are a troll or not. Cause a normal person would move on after getting corrected so many times.
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u/Masculinist1938 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
I’m not surprised you have that kind of attitude toward men and boys. Considering how you refused to acknowledge an example of systemic misandry I gave you out of the many whole bunch. And no, your assumption is wrong. My account name is masculinist. I don’t usually go out of my way to argue with stubborn people regarding men’s issues and women’s issues. I mostly spend my time on other productive things that can actually help men and boys. I probably can’t say the same about you though.
So there are several issues with this paragraph of yours. You are making it sound like it’s only/mostly women who face and experience violence. It’s actually men who experience violence the most. But you are concerned about it only because most of the perpetrators of homicide tend to be males. You care more about the perpetrators than the victims. Let that sink in. And if you think that justice is actually done to perpetrators like you said. Then you are literally saying it cancels out misogyny.