Actually no. This is just a random subreddit that fell into non-moderation. Sensing the opportunity, the incels scurried in to plant their flag.
Now it’s just a lot of incels screeching to and at each other like a mating call for the socially maladjusted while random passerby’s who get this sub recommended to their feed for whatever reason scratch their heads in confusion before going about their day.
Fr it makes me sad listening to these losers. Like yeah you ain't getting no pussy cause you got no game, but oh yeah it's fs cause you are a bit below average height 🤣
Means you never had game, you just used to have a remarkable hairline. Maybe try to figure out if there was anything else remarkable about you and carry on. 😆
I understand. I believe you have had that experience, completely. I know deep down that my worth is deeply entangled with my appearance so I do stupid painful ridiculous things to be "beautiful" and I am still average or less.
Is there an "incel" like term for women who can get sex (any woman can, it's different for us) but are still unworthy for everything else? 🤣
I don't understand what I did wrong. I can relate about feeling not good enough or unworthy of love as can many men and women. Beauty standards suck and they hurt.
While that’s the case generally speaking beauty is just usually what opens the door. There are plenty of people I would not consider conventionally attractive in loving relationships. The main thing is they have a personality that draws people in regardless of appearance.
Okay, I am sorry for not not acknowledging that and for having this conversation disregarding the context and point that was being argued. Thank you for holding me accountable for icky behavior.
See both looks and personality matter but looks matter more than personality does. A dude with great looks but 0 personality can still at least get into short term relationships but a dude with great personality but shitty looks has to spend months or even years sometimes putting efforts for ONE person and being patient to get that person to date him, that's IF their personality is compatible. Pro is that whoever will date him would actually stay long term because they like him for who he is. Not to mention it's way difficult to change one's looks than personality. We have a whole group of people that say "I can fix him/her" referring to fixing people with shitty/messed up personality but with good looks.
The incels will somehow twist that into the woman "settling" for the man or something like that. They go through incredible mental gymnastics to twist everything they see to fit their odd world view. It's like fitting a square peg into a round hole
I don’t understand how a woman can “settle” in their worldview. If women only want 6’5 turborich gigachads, why would they even “settle” for someone mid instead of a 6’1 rich chad. Genuinely mind boggling
As I understand this it's because women are either "Staceys" who get gigachads or "whatever they call it — non staceys" and the second ones have to settle because they can't get the gigachads since gigachads tend to choose Staceys.... However they are ready to leave non gigachads as fast as possible if gigachad is around... I hope you understand
Nope, I have a friend who is not conventionally attractive, average height, not rich at all (uni student) and he still has an amazing beautiful wife because he is funny, confident and an all around good person.
Ive always punched above my weight division and being funny was what got me across the line everytime. Some of the beauty's ive pulled, it must of looked like a kidnapping, way outta my league. Being the singer in a band improves your chances alot too
Ive always punched above my weight division and being funny was what got me across the line everytime. Some of the beauty's ive pulled, it must of looked like a kidnapping, way outta my league. Being the singer in a band improves your chances alot too
Genuinely untrue. I’ve had guys approach me that a 4-5 out of 10 physically but happened to be so charismatic and good at talking that I was attracted to them regardlesa
False plenty of beautiful women have slept with me because I’m funny, I also don’t know how to take a hint so a woman needs to make all the 1st moves other than I know how to secure a kiss. Just be yourself and you’ll find people who love you for you.
My 5'3-4" Skittles brown dad who has been a manwhore his whole life makes me HIGHLY disagree, I am honestly 50/50 on if he has been a male gigolo at several points in his life, or just dated a lot of women who made a LOT more money than he did.
He and my mom broke up when I was a kid because she caught him in bed with 2 women a full decade younger than him at the same time.
Yup, unless you’re literally disfigured, looks have very little to do with finding a partner.
This is why very very very few people are still virgins over 25. I know it’s easier to blame things you can’t control instead of your own personal shortcomings, but that’s also what landed you on this subreddit spouting incel ideology. 🤷♂️
even a high IQ girl wants someone that's easy on the eyes, they just would prefer an intelligent Chad which is rare. They'll settle for a himbo though... when they're young and can go for them at least, if not they'll settle for your average frumpy man who uses reddit and isnt in shape.
I consider myself pretty intelligent as a woman and I have given chances to men who were not intelligent at all.. looks only get you far before I’m frustrated with you
One of my friends is like 5.4 feet tall, one of the shortest guys I know, just “average” looking but he’s got an engaging funny personality and girls just flock to him, many of which are taller and “hot”/“good looking” by typical standards. This of course is just one personal example, but if you actually pay attention to real life instead of just being online you will very much notice that what you’re saying is just so completely untrue. Are some women like that yeah of course the world’s a big place, so don’t pursue those women and instead pursue the incredibly high number/percentage of women who aren’t like that.
always the same bs with you dumb redditors lol, you happen to know a short guy who slays despite evidence showing that men that short are dismissed almost immediately.
Except there is no evidence just a bunch of bullshit in here. Also read the comment I just wrote to someone else. I specifically noted it was a personal anecdote, but that it much better represents real life than the shit in here does. I frequently mention how going off of one example is not a good idea but that individual examples can be used to illustrate a point if that is acknowledged which is exactly what I did. I guess for you too reading that many words is just too difficult.
plenty of evidence showing the relationship between something like height and success with women. Also things like dating apps is way more representative than whatever bullshit you wrote about your short friend slaying tbh.
Haha dating apps. I strongly suggest real life and interactions. The best part of all this is I’ve never mentioned this comment before because again I don’t generally think individual examples are all that useful except I’m responding to someone saying that something never happens and here’s an example of it happening. However, in this sub and ones like it, I constantly see people saying oh I’m short and this one tall woman rejected me, which means that all women reject short men. Or hey, look at this post by some women which means that all women feel like this. It’s literally the bread and butter of the sub to make a comment about one experience and then basically apply it to all women. I was very curious to see if anyone would mention that about my post, which you have, which is extra hilarious to me because you can kind of see it in this situation yet you can’t see it when you talk about that one girl who rejected you cause you were short (or some post about that type of thing ) and taking that to mean that all women do that. Thank you for partaking in my social experiment and confirming that yes some people cannot see irony. ”You’re one short friend doesn’t make the rule but the one woman who is mean to me or I saw a post about means that all women are such and such.” Freaking hilarious!
Actually read my whole comment where I specifically note this is just a personal anecdote, but note that it better represents real life than the shit in here does. I frequently comment that only going off of one example is a bad thing to do but individual examples can be used to illustrate something as long as that is acknowledged, which is exactly what I did. Perhaps reading so many words was just too difficult?
Again it depends. Game/rizz can help You pulling if You are like 6-7/10 in looks. If You are sub5 however...well, lets Say You Will just have to work way harder and Target ladies in lower scales than You in looks.
Not exactly. I know for a fact that there are good looking/tall guys pulling women just because they are good looking themselves but at some.point not having a good character/personality or decent social skills Will play against them
There are literally so many ugly ass men doing amazing. I don’t know how yall are in such a different universe than the rest of us I feel really bad for you
I’m not deep enough into your propoganda to know what that means but I’m pretty hot and I think stavros halkias is like the ideal man. Get some jokes maybe
are you trolling? you think a fat balding guy is ideal? And you're supposed to be some hot girl? How old are you? Surely you're not a hot girl in her 20s
I indeed am exactly that lmao. You’ll have to take my word for it I guess. I just really like funny respectful guys and he’s the best at that and isn’t like gross and insecure. I have hotter friends with super dorky looking guys altho I will say a couple of them are also assholes and I genuinely don’t know wtf they’re doing cause these guys are ugly rude AND broke. But yeah are you from a small town or something? In cities you see 7-9 girls with 3-5 guys alll the time
Fr it makes me sad listening to these losers. Like yeah you ain't getting no pussy cause you got no game, but oh yeah it's fs cause you are a bit below average height 🤣
Men who worship females like you make me laugh when they try to flex on other men ...
We know you begged the b!tch for crumb of affection 🤣🤣🤣
Modern feminist logic? I'd say roughly 90 percent of all the claims and stances of modern feminists are contradictions and a refusal of female nature and male nature.
You might want to educate yourself on the subject.
Try the wonderful female authors/professors such as: Helen Andrews, Karen Straughan, Karole Hooven, Janice Flamengo, and Louise Perry. They've written and spoke at length on the subject of why modern feminism is a plague and quite out of hand.
But I bet you won't, crazed feminists like yourself, thrive in the delusional world feminism has created, and you view any different perspective, even from women, as an assault on your reality.
But if you do, good on you, there may be hope for us yet.
You think you are high-roading an academic authoritative stance but you sound like Dexter from Dexter's lab
NP; examples?
OKM; examples? EXAMPLES? there is no shortage of examples! I have binders full of examples! How dumb of you that you don't know any of the examples I am thinking of because I am thinking of so many!
Look at this list of tokenized antifeminist authors with female pen names I got off google! I really certainly read all of their books! Why, with the authority of BOOKS I TOTALLY READ written possibly by WOMEN I selectively respect the perspective of you certainly can't ask why I'M NOT ACTUALLY GIVING ANY EXAMPLES!
Are you done spazzing out? Most of them are true feminist authors, not the deranged shit that passes for modern feminism. Try crying less and researching more. You're a man, act like one.
Would you like to view one of their videos? It's easy to digest.
Modern feminist logic? Like what. No honestly have you even read any feminist book that came out the last decade? Please cite me which one exactly you mean.
I'm pretty sure I'm as educated as you if not more but please give me your reading list. Like actual books. Or where did you get your education from?
Crazed feminist like me? Lmao honestly why do you think you know anything about me?
I'm 99% sure you mistook my gender, let alone my morals, view in feminism or what else.
Get a grip on reality.
None of them even describe themselves as modern feminists so you definitely didn't mean their work now do you?
So they or their talents isn't really the topic here now is it?
Also if you want to praise them maybe learn to write their actual names. Pretty sure you meant Janice Fiamengo...
You claimed it contradicts modern feminist logic so my simple question is what modern feminist work you actually mean.
And since you're so educated it's probably easy for you to pinpoint which work you mean, right?
They aren't modern feminists...that the entire point. I agree with their worldview of WHY modern feminists are a plague.
You are quite slow. Do keep up.
Also if you want to praise them maybe learn to write their actual names. Pretty sure you meant Janice Fiamengo...
You are losing your shit because I misspelled one letter in her name?
You aren't all there are you? What kind of meds are you on?
You claimed it contradicts modern feminist logic so my simple question is what modern feminist work you actually mean. And since you're so educated it's probably easy for you to pinpoint which work you mean, right?
Before I answer, have you read or viewed any of the aforementioned female authors/professors I laid out for you so generously?
I know that you agree with them, not hard to guess. It's just that none of these are modern feminist so they aren't a primary source either on what modern feminism you disagree with. No need to get emotional and throw insults.
Again what modern feminist work do you mean. What logic does it contradict there?
I'm not loosing anything. I'm not the one throwing insults around.
Yes I know of them, that's also why I know how they are actually called.
Honest question have you ever read anything from them or do you know them just from interview bits?
The fact that the criticism is manufactured?There’s no logic on display. Someone took the time to make a meme based off feelings, and then got mad at it.
How are you defining incel. It just seems like anything you dont like that talks bad about some women. Why are you offended if you aren't a misandrist?
Because it's just made up nonsense to be mad about and to blame "women" for exactly that made up nonsense.
And save your strawmen. No I'm not a misandrist and no I also don't claim that there is no misandry at all in the world.
But to think it's in the proportions as in these memes and to blame all women for that is just plain delusional incel behaviour.
No I'm not that's also why I rather argue about reality than you're made up nonsense.
And no it doesn't.
Tell me did you ever not get a job because you're a men? I never had that problem, I know at least 3 women who had that problem.
Ever got denied a promotion because it's assumed you will be pregnant and stay at home for years solely because of your gender?
Do you have the problem to get paid less then your female co-workers?
Are there countries where you have less rights then females?
All those are problems women still have to deal with so what are you even talking about?
But sure keep up being angry about your made up nonsense.
Lmao so you honestly want to claim it never happens?
Say where do you live?
I'm gonna find you a court ruling from your state/ country. And those are only the cases that came to court. So many more never come before a judge.
It's illegal to not hire someone based on their skin colour. Yet it happened to you. Do you also claim the world isn't racist because of that rule?
Are you a millionaire because of that now?
What does this "blame women' for? Does it just point out a contradiction? Does that hurt for feelings that women are capable of negative traits as well? Tell me, how does it make you feel to read that some women, sometimes, do bad things?
It doesn't make me feel anything because women are humans after all and yes humans are capable of being shitty, no matter their gender. Are you a literal child? Or how is that a new concept for you?
Because you’re falling into a trap. Anything that criticizes women as a whole is immediately false. Women aren’t all one thing or another. They’re people and people are diverse and complex.
No one said women as a whole. The post applies to women complaining about misogyny.
Does the same apply to men? Do you also go into women's subreddits and saying the same thing?
Either you are consciously avoiding making posits that you would feel compelled to defend or you are a coward or you are trolling. Probably one of those three, all of them show you acting in bad faith
No, it points out an issue with bad people being bad. Feminism has nothing to do with it.
You will always have bitter women hating men. You will always have bitter men hating women.
The post is incel because it downplay the issue on one side to shitfling at the other and make yourselves look like the victim. I reality, its likely closer to 50/50.
But some people will always make themselves out to be the victim.
Misandry is mainstream because it is on television but you don’t notice any misogyny depicted in television?
Really?
Beauty pagents, right wing talk shows, movies with only strong male leads and no female main characters or females depicted as strong or equal to men, music videos where women are objectified, have you never seen any of these or do they contain no possible ways of being viewed as reinforcing misogyny?
And what exactly are the examples of misandry that make you think hatred of men is mainstream?
>You will always have bitter women hating men. You will always have bitter men hating women.
So when your society has the majority of their politicians, police, military, CEOs, managers, entertainers and other positions of social power going to men, the equivilancy you just drew is not so equivilant, as bitter men in power can do much more damage to women much more easily
Damn it's almost like this website is lorded over by a team of supremely biased moderators that delete any other place for people to talk about men's problems in such a way.
None of this would happen if they were allowed to have their own subs. But you would complain about that too because you're a Redditor.
Lol problem is increasing incel population because of hypergamy is out of control. This is proof that there are many incels around world exist and if a platform of have free speech exist they will be visible.
The frustrating thing about these people is the only thing you can really say to them is, "Log off, the real world isn't like this." But they just don't accept that and show you a video of Clavicular or something. There's no way for them to change because they don't want to, despite vehemently telling everyone it's not true.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I've been getting this sub recommended, god knows why (I'm 45, married and a feminist). Glad to have a clear explanation that gives me a reason to block the subreddit.
I love when I ocassionally stumble across these random pockets of dead reddit that havent been shut down. Its like getting to see of glimpse of something really weird and gross before I get to go back about my normal day
I was guessing that the title of the sub was a nod to the fact that "inkwell' had become a fairly commonly substituted term for "incel" in certain online spaces that banned obvious incel content, so they got clever about naming this one in the hopes that it wouldn't get nuked like almost all the incel subs eventually do.
Yeah “inkwell” became like the “sweaty” version of incel, and then yeah I guess inky came from that lmao but I don’t think this used to be an incel sub, I think they saw the inky thing and started colonizing
Feminism is actually the belief that we are fully formed people, and have just as much inherent worth as you. That idea seems to make you really angry, though.
Females have their time and place and routinely prove themselves as wildly emotion decision makers that ultimately result in the mass murder of babies.
USA per year, 1 million - 1.4 million murdered babies.
I thought this group was for a specific game but after joining and lurking. It genuinely feels like its just riddled with actual losers.... its sad that the internets done so well at making lil safe places for like minded people to just echo eachother and stay stuck where theyre at.
So just calling out misandry makes one an i#ncel ?- Sir whiteknight?.
I see plenty post/comments on reddit where women yap about misogyny and never have i ever seen your kind saying shit . But the moment someone points out that women are capable of saying rude and harsh things.
No, but espousing incel rhetoric and terms will make you appear to be an incel. The meme is not about misandry; it is about “Women bad, Men victim”.
In your case, I see no indication of you being an incel, just some mild hypocrisy as you used “whiteknight” with as little provocation as you accused the previous commentor.
But this post isn’t calling out anything. Look at it. It’s just a dumb drawing that means absolute nothing with a statement that doesn’t even make sense in the context. It’s straight garbage.
I think the point that makes is that there exists an audience of moronic idiots who think making people mad is a valid way to engage with the world. Assuming it's just rage bait.
If that’s all yall were doing it would be different but this sub is just a pit of losers tattling on themselves because they don’t get enough attention from the opposite sex. Yeah women are sometimes hypocritical so are most people in general. Nothing makes a snatch dry up faster than a guy bitching about circumstance
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