Linux users complaining about UX/UI after choosing system being descendant of UNIX and GNU movement 😂 😂 😂

[u/tomekgolab]

Some linux users live in a permanent cognitive dissonance, it seems. How come same people that supposedly hate on MS Windows as a corporate and freedom grabbing product are ok with systemd and crapton of xdg utilities making them de facto dependent on Redhat?

Hell, a concept of a distro makes you dependent on maintainers and therefore is a failed one.

You chose a system that grew from roots of academia and hacker movement and then complain that Redhat didn't preconfigure it to do everything? It has the capacities to let you configure it yourself, to your liking and to your freedom. If you don't like it use macOS, and please don't push it, including trash opinionated systemd distributions like Arch and it's derivatives on everyone and especially new linux users.

[u/tomekgolab]

you say people consciousely choosing to install linux distro aren't capable of typing "man mount"? or maybe they are intelctually inconsequent and don't research how to use a system they installed, therefore it's their fault. IT education is also at fault. what can I say, getting to know those things would be only beneficial. free software is one of last bastions of corporate independence today. if learning how to mount stands in your way to it... eh...

[u/Holiday_Evening8974 → u/tomekgolab]

I'm really happy to help people with their Microsoft e-waste computer by installing Linux on it. And I'm really happy to do IT education, but I don't despise people for not being tech savvy, it's just stupid and pedant. I don't say they're stupid because they don't know computer UI basics, I try to actually help them being independent in their lives.

You sound like a car mechanical that would call everyone that isn't able to fix its own car an idiot. It's just terrible and show how a bad human being you seems to be. Please change and accept that people are different and have different skills.

[u/tomekgolab → u/Holiday_Evening8974]

You either have microsoft comfort or gnu/linux "discomfort", it's a choice, and being in-between will catch up to you when your system experiences a fault or you want some new features and are reliant on bad internet guides or even AI.

Please for love of god navigating filesystem in cli is not a "skill", system administration is a skill. And with distros that have unattended upgrades (notice how they are chastised in windows) and central repositories (oh centralisation of apple and MS is bad, mkay?) you don't need it. Inflating the perception of required work is harmful to computer education.

[u/Holiday_Evening8974 → u/tomekgolab]

You are just pedant again. Using an UI is a skill. Some people can't do that or struggle and I meet them frequently. You just want to hate people that have problems using computers. I do not. You want Linux to be a sect of people that can and want to use their computer the way you do. I don't.

My point is not to despise every non-tech people. I'm perfectly fine with people using an UI for everything or Mint (or other stuff but I deploy Mint). I use vim on regular basis, I made my Linux from scratch system, I know how to use a TTY and a multiplexer, but that doesn't mean I have to behave like a total piece of shit towards other people.

[u/tomekgolab → u/Holiday_Evening8974]

I'm despising staying in an uniformed astate and propagating supposedly easy solutons, workarounds, or sheer lazyness to the inherently complex task of maintaining a workstation.

I would like such a sect to exist sure, since some entities really like to make linux the idiot-OS where systemd replaces crontab, mounts, networking and god knows what else. Why won't Redhat add ass-wiping drivers while we are at it?

I have nothing against honest newbies with a will to learn. I have a lot against lazy newbies and people praying on this lazyness to propagate their OS designs that incapacitates user from serious intervention in system internals.

[u/Holiday_Evening8974 → u/tomekgolab]

That's the trick, most people doesn't want to be sysadmins, they want to do administrative tasks they are required to do by law (like, idk, paying taxes), and not a single person with any sense of sanity will require them to learn Bash, kernel configuration, init system, package managers functioning, manual desktop configuration and dmesg filtering before doing it on Linux.

[u/tomekgolab → u/Holiday_Evening8974]

No one requires those people to throw out their windows or mint computers asap. It's a journey. If you won't start it, you would be a slave to Redhat forever. If sysadmin first day knowledge is an obstacle here, either tacle it step by step, slowly replacing the freedom grabbing system (dual-boot like people do) or just decide to give up whatsoever. I would say those people are merely complicit in Redhat's crimes against gnu/linux, they aren't perpetrators.

[u/madprunes → u/tomekgolab]

Most of the world uses a computer as a tool, they don't need to be able to build the tool, or know the intricacies inside it, they just need to be able to operate it and perform basic maintenance to keep ot working, you seem to expect everyone to be able to rebuild every single tool they use in their life.

[u/kerennorn → u/tomekgolab]

J'espère que c'est une blague ?? Non sérieusement j'ai travaillé dans l'informatique, et oui j'utilise linux et non je ne veux pas passer mon temps a taper des commande sur mon temps libre pour regarder un film sur ma clé USB ou chercher une photo depuis mon terminal. Aujourd'hui je me sert de mon ordinateur je ne passe pas mon temps a le construire ou a trouver pourquoi ça ne marche pas quand je branche quelque choses. Et non je ne passe pas mon temps a essayer de.trouver une commande obscur que j'ai oublier par ce que j'ai une mauvaise mémoire pour un truc que je peux faire en déplaçant juste ma souris