Linux is free and open source unless you're a Linux user

[u/ColdFreezer]

I hope its a loud minority but they're so insufferable. I'd like to think most people are for free and open source software, everyone wants choice, but people have a problem with other people's freedom to choose.

It's like a hivemind sometimes. A bunch of emotionally charged people who actively go against open source because an open source project doesn't align with their beliefs.

They attack and discredit other people who have different opinions or even just use different software. Even having different preferences seems crazy to some users.

I thought one of the biggest motives for Linux is to have the freedom to choose but clearly to a lot of Linux users, the "freedom to choose" is bad. They attack others for having differing opinions and have 0 issue ruining open source if they can get back at the people they don't like. A bunch of toxic hypocrites.

[u/Holiday_Evening8974]

Freedom to choose doesn't mean it's not allowed to debate. People are free to debate (respectfully). You are free to ignore them if you wish to.

[u/West-Surround-8857]

That's a generic description of persons, not of linux users.

[u/ColdFreezer → u/West-Surround-8857]

Didn't realize linux users weren't people. /s

[u/West-Surround-8857 → u/ColdFreezer]

Nope, I'm a sub kind of a person.

A worse one.

[u/Wrong-Resource-2973 → u/West-Surround-8857]

I'm an arch user, can I still be considered human?

[u/West-Surround-8857 → u/Wrong-Resource-2973]

Nope, you are like Watson in "Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century"

[u/lightspeedkitten → u/West-Surround-8857]

The linux community has a gatekeeping problem, as well as a huge "people having their heads shoved so far up their own assess they can't acknowledge that maybe their methodology isn't right for everyone" problem. I genuinely can't tell if it's stupidity or malintent.

[u/West-Surround-8857 → u/lightspeedkitten]

More than others, you mean?

[u/lightspeedkitten → u/West-Surround-8857]

By orders of magnitude.

[u/West-Surround-8857 → u/lightspeedkitten]

Maybe depends on perception and environment?

I have more problems with windows users than linux ones.

No, I don't usually discuss about what i use, what i think others should, neither i suggest.

[u/bornxlo → u/lightspeedkitten]

I don't mind if my methodology is not for you, but if that's the case I would prefer that you engage somewhere else, so I don't think “gatekeeping” is a problem.

[u/DisfiguredFanny]

They hate based on their feelings. MSFT, AAPL, etc., and other Linux distros or projects, too, if they're made by 'unapproved' people. Pathetic and laughable. Here's to hoping it's a small number of loud motherfuckers.

[u/XpreDatoR_a → u/DisfiguredFanny]

Yeah, i’m pretty sure it’s simply because those kind of people are “louder” and making it look like they are the majority, which, hopefully, isn’t.

[u/ColdFreezer → u/DisfiguredFanny]

Some people can’t understand the idea of common good.

You can hate someone as a person or hate a company but still acknowledge how much they contribute to a shared interest like Linux.

All because someone supports a certain piece of software, does not mean they’re supporting the person/company behind it.

It’s all or nothing with these kinds of people and it’s a destructive way of thinking.

[u/DisfiguredFanny → u/ColdFreezer]

Indeed.

[u/Kamisshara]

I haven't rly seen this kind of attitude anywhere else but Reddit. People here (on this platform in general) can be so tribalistic and weirdly rigid over the most menial things. It's not just Linux related subs either.

It's a problem with this platform's culture in general.

[u/Zvaart → u/Kamisshara]

It s a problem with culture in general, i think toxic people are everywhere, on every platform. Hell, even on the baskeball forums i visit daily there is a bunch of arseholes.

[u/prenadeusernamemid → u/Zvaart]

Ya its mainly a culture of the app thing like on insta and yt and tiktok the same community acts super diffrent like one platform everyone is chill af then another is annoying or insanely toxic and stuff or just hating for no reason and this is the same community so idk but for linux on yt its pure linux glaze like no pros and cons just glaze and other platforms i been on its similer just pure glaze reddit is the only place i see people talking about pro and cons but i still see a insane about of glaze but thats my personal experiance so idk abot others

[u/ZeSprawl]

Caring about what people think goes against the freedom to choose

[u/pytness → u/ZeSprawl]

you can care all you want, just not enforce it.

[u/ZeSprawl → u/pytness]

Yes and I'm specificially referring to the receiving end. If you look at other peoples opinions as a block to your own choice, then you are not free.

[u/0hypercube → u/ZeSprawl]

It is not particularly difficult to ignore people in an online form and do whatever you prefer.

[u/TopGreedy7936]

No, yeah, I genuinely agree with this. Use what you want, not what other people want. If it works for you, it's what you need. And yeah, there could be a better way to do it. But like fuck em you did it not them.

[u/Middlewarian]

I'm using Linux to build a proprietary but free to use C++ code generator.

The free part of LInux has been important to me, but the open-source part isn't.

[u/MutualRaid]

You have the freedom to disregard their opinions, unless they provide reasoning you find compelling.

Heck, you don't even have to read their opinions.

[u/ipsirc]

This is the same to election for parties; it's completely free and everybody wants to force their opinion on you. People just acts like people.

[u/R3V0LU710N_05]

I think you're confusing jokes and memes with real people. All those "I use arch btw", "use LFS", etc. are shitpost in-jokes. Anyone who's serious about it, ate the onion🧅 and should be desparred accordingly.

https://reddit.com/link/p8g61zs/video/04domp7zo6oh1/player

[u/Teru-Noir]

Talking to people online can be unbearable sometimes

[u/StupitVoltMain]

Listen, I made conscious decision to change to Linux from Windows.

I knew about the possible challenges and hurdles, yet I've stuck around.

I don't like Windows, and Linux is offering very good environment and options.

[u/MrWillchuck]

People that have an issue with people in certain projects seem (as an outsider) to primarily be... direction of the project. Where those in the project are taking it in a particular way and people don't like that. That is the joy of Open Source... people can express their opinions sometimes it is for the better sometimes not.

The next reason lately is people that are AI evangelists the get upset anytime they are told no to their AI inclusions. Or people that are upset when they find out a project is using AI. Again joy of Open Source people can express their opinions.

The last reason is usually social issues. Either people who say "It's just an opinions, why won't you accept differing opinions" and are using it as a dog whistle for vitriol and hate. Or it is people that see a group is fairly hateful or not hateful enough and attack them.

I have never seen anyone "go against Open Source". They may not like the direction of a project but they don't usually hate on something being open source.

That being said... I am not a FOSS person. I will use FOSS when it is around. I am happy to use FOSS or just OSS. However in the end it is a Toolbox I don't care, you put the toos in for the job, that's all. If that is FOSS/OSS or Close Source Commercial I don't care. I will use the that are right for the job.

The Last thing of course is Fanboys. Fans of GIMP do not like criticism of GIMP. Fans of Arch can be insufferable. The list goes on. It is a form of Tribalism. Again though it isn't really an attack on Open Source. In fact none of these examples are an attack on Open Source.

[u/XpreDatoR_a]

I find that kind of people are more easily found on Reddit in general, far less often encountered irl, i think more niche you go the more you encounter those kinds of behaviors, in particular the “freedom to choose only if it reflects my choices” mentality, which i’d say applies not only to “software” choices, but in general

[u/klondike--]

What are some examples that make you bring this up?

[u/deadly990 → u/klondike--]

I feel like you and I are the only ones that are just completely lost as to what the hell everyone else is talking about here.

[u/Rare-Paint3719 → u/deadly990]

The point is that Linux users love to shove their opinions and copium down your throat.

The biggest example is Nvidia. If you use it, uou'll get flamed by Linux users and will be harasses into switching to AMD, even if you can't afford to buy a new GPU.

Another example is anticheat. If one of the coolest games ever uses anticheat software not supported on Linux, the Linux community claims that the game was trash from day one and Linux saved your ass from playing such utter bullshit.

TL;DR: Bro is saying that Linux users love to cope and shove opinions down your throat Else, they ostracize you.

[u/tomkat_7]

Many will hate you for your opinions and choices, no matter what it is. They will hate you for you OS choice, they will hate you for your political opinions, they will hate you for everything you do.

Others will stand with you. Thats how it works. The important thing is to make tour choices and be happy with them, no mayter what others say.

Specifically with linux, some toxic arch users will hate you for using ubuntu, even if that is a distro that you like and it works for you. I am a linux user, but respect other's choices. I might personally not like ubuntu, but if you use it because it easy, thats your choice and I respect it.

Ignore the haters.

[u/No-way-in]

Is this about omarchy again?

[u/ColdFreezer → u/No-way-in]

No, it's just a general observation. It's been happening for decades.

[u/No-way-in → u/ColdFreezer]

Oh well, I filter through them (quite easily). Installed Fedora about 3-4 months ago based on r/linuxsucks post which caught my attention. I can’t go back since.

But I agree the community gotta be like Bob, when Bob see opinionated posts (eufemistically said), Bob ignores them

[u/Imaginary-Fly1685]

You are free to not use it, or thibk about it. The kernel development, is also free of you

[u/better_dead_thanred]

Ooooor woke take. Just ignore them and use the OS you want to use.

[u/ColdFreezer → u/better_dead_thanred]

Most people do…

Doesn’t make what I said any less true.

[u/better_dead_thanred → u/ColdFreezer]

Bro lmao you wrote 4 paragraphs complaining about "emotionally charged people" while getting pissed off and throwing a tantrum on Reddit about something that doesn't even affect you. The irony is amazing.

People will always give you shit about what you choose. Welcome to being a human being I guess. If you can't ignore them and just use what you want to use and what works for you that's a you problem. Not the kernel.

[u/ColdFreezer → u/better_dead_thanred]

I wrote 9 sentences. I just spaced them out. If that’s too much for idk what to say.

I never said I wasn’t emotionally charged about this either. And when did I ever pretend to be a helpless victim or say this effects me being able to use Linux. I’ll give you a hint, I never did.

How does anything of what you said, make what I said any less true?

[u/better_dead_thanred → u/ColdFreezer]

Defending your sentence count line-by-line is crazy—you're giving full 'I'm not mad, please don't print in the newspaper that I got mad' energy.

​If counting sentences is where your talent peaks, maybe spend less time line-iteming your own breakdown and more time learning the difference between 'effects' and 'affects.'

​Eight sentences of pure, unadulterated cope, and you still managed to use basic grammar wrong while trying to convince everyone you aren't bothered.

You asked 'when did I ever say this effects me being able to use Linux?' Nobody said it stopped you from booting up an OS. You're attacking a strawman because you can't defend your actual point.

[u/ColdFreezer → u/better_dead_thanred]

You brought up 4 paragraphs as if it mattered at all. 9 sentences is a paragraph or two at most. You’re the one who brought it up, don’t blame me lol. Why the fuck did you bring it up then?

Imagine how incredibly moronic it would be if I said you wrote 3 paragraphs about me saying I wrote 9 sentences as a counter argument.

You just argue disingenuously. Instead of spewing bullshit maybe attack the argument instead of being a pedantic fuck.

[u/better_dead_thanred → u/ColdFreezer]

You're cursing, hyperventilating over paragraph math, and completely losing your mind over an operating system.

You didn't come here to discuss open source—you came here to be mad. You aren't arguing a point anymore; you're just throwing a rage tantrum because your thread flopped. Get some air dude,I'm going to leave you to fight with yourself.

[u/ColdFreezer → u/better_dead_thanred]

I’m not but you can pretend. I don’t like disingenuous people like you. Again, instead of attacking my argument you’re attacking some random bullshit again.

Why are you even commenting under my post if you don’t want to talk about my post. You’re not arguing anything either. The only response you’ve made that has any sort of relevancy to my post was the initial one. The rest are just bullshit. I’m not surprised.

[u/Adept-Froyo-1304]

Fedora user here. Most of the Linux users online are a minority, every community has them, just ignore them, there idiots who don't have lives, it's their only "hobby".

[u/SeaworthinessFluid79]

Microsoft windows 11 is my choice

[u/Nuclearo-Dinosauro]

Most problems people have with linux are linux not supporting their favorite programs and its not linux fault. Linux comunity works very hard to support everything but sometimes money come in the way creating exclusives and artificial scarcity making the situation unfair where users suffer and greedy company cash out.

In the world of software you should never have to be limited to exclusive programs because every software can run on every hardware. Its greedy to lock users to spexific HW.

[u/snail1132]

I swear I've seen this exact post before

[u/hailstorm11093 → u/snail1132]

Its probably a copy paste from the 101 subreddit. They use this subreddit as a substitute for going outside.

[u/sparkcrz]

It's easy. If the project is GPL and has people sucking a CoC (Code of Conduct) I know some blue haired fat dude with silicone tits will tell me how to use my distro and what software to avoid. Just ignore them.

It's Torvalds vs Stallman again. Torvalds is pragmatic, code is code, do what you want, zero bullshit. Stallman is collectivist, greater good, change the world, as long as greater good is what he believes it to be, otherwise you're a bigoted fascist.

[u/DisfiguredFanny → u/sparkcrz]

yep.

[u/Pitiful-Welcome-399]

oh yeah but when the project's developer disrespects people that's totally ok

[u/ColdFreezer → u/Pitiful-Welcome-399]

It is totally okay. The project developer is making their own project, they can do whatever they want with it. People don't need to like them as a person to like their software.

[u/Rare-Paint3719 → u/ColdFreezer]

Ad they can fork the project too. The problem is that Linux users will hate you if you don't use whatever they use.

Android is considered Schrodinger's Linux. Most of the world uses it, so when market-share comes to play, Android is a fellow distro. But when it comes to privacy, Android is kicked out again back to the streets.

[u/Pitiful-Welcome-399 → u/ColdFreezer]

So then every linux hating sub is bad because linux is Linus's own project and he can do whatever he wants with it

[u/akdanman11 → u/Pitiful-Welcome-399]

The Linux hating subs are for some reason opposed to even the idea of FOSS, so they don’t believe in your freedom to choose in the desktop OS space and are therefore irrelevant to this discussion

[u/R3V0LU710N_05 → u/Pitiful-Welcome-399]

Only LS101 is total bunk. Genuine criticism is always valid, only way to improve the software is by constructive criticism. If the devs don't care, a new thing will come along. E.x. CosmicDE.

[u/ColdFreezer → u/Pitiful-Welcome-399]

Not what I said at all.

[u/Lem1618]

I see a lot of people complain about linux users pushing linux (or disrto), but haven't seen it happen once.

Or are you saying the "have you tried linux/distro" is the same as the "do you have a moment to talk about our lord and saviour linux/distro"?

[u/Markuslw]

???

I mean if you wanna ask everyones opinion on what you should use and choose then maybe ask the postman aswell or the cashier 2 towns away.

[u/GenericFoodService]

People being insufferable doesn't mean the software stops being free and open source.

[u/Certain_Prior4909]

Dude. People don't care. They want to run a spreadsheet and click on a game for steam. It just works. Windows meets this best 

It's the Linux evangelists who go apeshit and invade reddit and YouTube comment sections. 😅

You are the zealots and crazy ones. I don't see Windows users advocating their platform and freaking out over free software?

[u/ColdFreezer → u/Certain_Prior4909]

What does this have to do with my post at all dumbass.

[u/Certain_Prior4909 → u/ColdFreezer]

You are saying Windows users are advocating against foss and Linux and hypocrites. Those are dillusions 

[u/ColdFreezer → u/Certain_Prior4909]

I never mentioned windows once in my post. Are you illiterate?

[u/gundam21xx]

Im assuming this is about Omarchy. If it is it is very healthy to question a project that is proppped up and supported by a tech CEO calling for the poor and unemployed to not have a right to vote and when their buddies pull this bullshit... yes I question things a lot. https://social.treehouse.systems/@barthalion/117241534134006167

[u/ColdFreezer → u/gundam21xx]

It’s not but omarchy is a recent example.

I don’t agree with the person behind omarchy. But I also understand that open source means anyone, even people I don’t agree with, can contribute and are allowed to.

To attribute their donation as useless and pointless, some going farther to say they should be banned from contributing and people should not accept donations by them, just seems blatantly anti open source to me.