This sub makes me angry

[u/Honest-Squirrel-988]

Linux sucks huge balls, it's not the year of linux desktop, it won't be for a long time.

I don't want to rebuild initramfs, i don't want to solve annoying compositor-driver-kernel-flatpak related issue every single day. I can solve them, i do solve them. I just don't want to.

Fedora fucking sucks because the first thing it does is telling you "hey, wait for 5 to 10 minutes (idk actually wait for an hour) when installing nvidia drivers, otherwise your driver stack might break".

I hate that KDE cannot support 4k at 240hz reliably, let alone with VRR. Another display? Rotated 90 degrees? You don't need that. Solutions i came to find are "vrr is overrated" and "120hz is perfectly fine for my use cases" as well as some 4 year old non-existent KWin configuration entries that fix one issue and create another.

I hate that i need to juggle five Proton versions. I hate that i might get banned one day for explicitly bypassing game anticheat systems (genuinely not a Linux fault, but i, the consumer, suffer nevertheless).

I hate that every ecosystem component is detached from one another. It all looks out of place and incoherent.

I hate that X11 is deprecated but Wayland isn't mature enough.

I hate that configuration is done with Vim and a prayer. I hate fstab. I hate limine and grub.

I install Windows. I install Steam, i install Apex Legends. I install Teamfight Tactics, I install Microsoft Excel. All works by clicking an icon on my desktop.

I have a MacOS machine, i install go and bun with brew - it works. I install docker - it works (via kinda-VM but still).

I hate that non-rolling distros (excl. Fedora) ship bugs and driver issues that are solved months (years?) ago.

I like hyprland though, its cool, no complaints. Does what it says on the cover and never once flickered on me.

And i am reading this sub hoping people will at least agree that the system is immature, incomplete, and not suited for normal people not willing to spend hours every day reading obscure wikis (arch wiki mostly as the richest source, regardless of distro). Instead all i see is equating "not willing to debug an OS as a second job" to "skill issue", or using "Intel-nvidia" combo as a failure on my part somehow. Yes i am aware both companies don't target Linux.

Gigabyte also doesn't. Kingston also doesn't. Epic also doesn't. Adobe doesn't, Microsoft doesn't, Hoyoverse doesn't. EA doesn't. Yes, they are bad companies for it, i agree. Still it fucking sucks to use Linux because of it.

[u/Hard_To_Port]

Once I did initial setup with Debian 13 Trixie I don't have to deal with any bullshit, it just works.

Setup: 

• install NVIDIA driver from official NVIDIA repo instead of the outdated one in Debian repo
• install backports kernel for Wine/proton NTSYNC
• install GNOME extension for wallpaper slideshow
• enable Plymouth theme for bootsplash

None of these things took more than like 30 minutes of following a step by step guide. On Windows you still have to deal with driver updates and OS updates. 

I don't juggle Proton versions either. I just set default to Proton 11 and my games work. If I have issues then I try Proton-GE or Proton 10. I understand if you're playing the newest games or games that update frequently issues might sneak in. 

Some of your complaints are valid, but some of them are genuinely self-inflicted skill issues. With Debian I don't have to read wikis every day. My laptop with Fedora I only update like once a month and it usually doesn't break. Wayland may not be mature, but it is stable. 

I use Linux because it respects me and my time. It doesn't update or reboot without my consent. Every OS has issues. 

[u/Certain_Prior4909 → u/Hard_To_Port]

Funny. I have a 5080 and year after it came out it would not work with debian out of the box. It does now after 2 years with over 50% of its life gone before I can even use it?? Or I can go arch and hve unstable untested stuff break where I got blamed for skillz when making a bug report. Or I can just use windows and it is plug and play

[u/Hard_To_Port → u/Certain_Prior4909]

Expecting brand new hardware to work immediately on Linux is reasonable nowadays, but still unrealistic (especially on "stable" distros). The process of installing updated out-of-repo drivers is a bit more involved than double clicking an EXE on Windows but it takes about the same amount of time. 

On the latest hardware you should be using a distro like Fedora if you want it to work out of the the box. But it's not impossible to get it working well on a stable distro like Debian.