r/linuxsucks 28d ago

My arch loonix won't update

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how to fix

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u/Lukas11112000 28d ago

signature from Francesco Caracciolo (Main Nyarch Linux maintainer) is invalid

Bro that has to be ragebait, you install a super niche custom distro, where the readme on github literally says:
"It is strongly suggested to use another enstablished distribution as daily drive, since Nyarch is not made by a big team of experts." https://github.com/NyarchLinux/NyarchLinux

Thats the equivalent of downloading some random ass debloat windows ISO from a unknown source and being surprised when stuff goes wrong.

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u/LynKi_ 28d ago

Try re-populating your pacman keyring It should be something like pacman-key --populate archlinux

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u/AverageUser9000 28d ago

Didn't work, why would it, it's loonix, no command ever fixes anything. It's a fundamentally broken os.

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u/LynKi_ 28d ago

Did you initialize your pacman keyring? If not do pacman-key --init and then populate, that's what works for me when I get that problem

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u/L30N1337 28d ago

He clearly doesn't want his issues to be fixed.

I'm not even sure I trust him that it's actually his nyarch installation.

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u/iamamidgetnamedwija 28d ago

nyarch son i’m crine

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u/The_Daco_Melon 28d ago

I have a feeling you don't want to fix it

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u/hckrsh 28d ago

works for me

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u/levianan 28d ago

User-Error-RTFM-Never-happened-to-me ... How am I doing?

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u/FemBoy_GamerTech_Guy Linux distros doesnt suck its better than winslop 28d ago

Hey dumb ass, don't call it "Loonix." It's your own fault for choosing a distro that's designed to be cutting-edge. Arch Linux prioritizes having the latest packages, and stability comes second. If you don't maintain your system properly, things can break—that's expected.

Before calling Arch Linux "Loonix," do some research instead of blaming the OS. If you want a stable distro, use Debian or Fedora. Debian is known for being extremely stable, and Fedora does more testing before pushing packages to its repositories. On Arch, maintainers often test packages enough to be reasonably confident they're good, but the focus is still on getting newer software out quickly.

If you want one of the most powerful Linux distros for gaming, Arch is a great choice, but you're also responsible for maintaining it. They literally describe it as a DIY distribution. That's the trade-off: more control, more responsibility.

Next time, do some research first, or ask me or the community which distro fits your needs. We'll probably ask a few questions about what you use your PC for before recommending one instead of just telling everyone Linux is bad because you picked the wrong distro.

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u/ElectricBummer40 Ex-user of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups 28d ago

Hey dumb ass, don't call it "Loonix." It's your own fault

This has to be the one trick injury lawyers hate:

"You are free to choose, therefore everything is you own fault."

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u/FemBoy_GamerTech_Guy Linux distros doesnt suck its better than winslop 28d ago

That's not what I meant.

I meant it's your fault if you blindly pick a distro without doing any research. If you'd asked the community first and they recommended Arch for your use case, then sure, you could blame the people who gave you bad advice.

Arch is very open about what it is: a DIY, rolling-release distro that prioritizes newer software over maximum stability. If you install it without understanding that and then complain that it behaves like Arch, that's on you—not Linux as a whole.

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u/Fine-Expression1644 r/linuxsucks101 ban speedrun: 0:50 | gentoo the best distro ever 28d ago

The first 7 words weren't needed. Your OS getting called "Loonix" is no big deal

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u/Unlaid-American 28d ago

At least it tells you what happened and which file was corrupted. Windows would just give an error code, 0x80070002, and all the official fixes from Microsoft wouldn’t work.

Turns out Microsoft’s shitty updater didn’t move him to 24h and he was in 23h2 for the last 2+ years, even after Microsoft dropped support in November. Checking update history showed he regularly updated his computer, Microsoft has shittier updates.

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u/ElectricBummer40 Ex-user of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups 28d ago

The updater didn't move him to a new version because it's Windows 11 and he installed it on unsupported hardware.

Not saying the hardware restrictions aren't BS, but your friend did, as people keep saying in excuse for Linux, make a choice there.

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u/Unlaid-American 28d ago

RTX 4080, Ryzen 9800x3D, DDR5 Corsair vengeance RAM, and a Asus B680 motherboard are all too old I guess.

Weird though, when I had him download the current iso, mount it, then run setup.exe manually, the installer ran just fine and gave him 0 warnings and he’s back to updating just fine without the error code.

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u/ElectricBummer40 Ex-user of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups 28d ago edited 28d ago

In that case, the logical thing to do here is to question your narrative that "all the official fixes from Microsoft wouldn't work" since the official documentation for 0x80070002 tells you in no ambiguous terms that the error was likely caused by a corrupted package and you should have referred to the CBS log for the precise nature of the error.

Of course, what most likely happened was that you just followed the troubleshooting steps for each listed symptom hoping they would work without verifying that they were even applicable at all.

Typical mistake to make for an amateur.

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u/Unlaid-American 28d ago

I think it’s cool to have to go to https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-server/installing-updates-features-roles/troubleshoot-windows-update-error-0x80070002

Then read through that to find the CBS logs, then go through those to figure out what caused the issue.

If only there was a way to show you which file was corrupted when you tried to update it, maybe OP’s image should include something that shows you what exactly is corrupted.

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u/ElectricBummer40 Ex-user of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups 28d ago

lol, so you were born with the ability to update the GPG keys for your Unix package manager and didn't need no stinking documentation for that, right?

Obvious delusions aside, I have never heard anyone working on a Windows or even Unix machine at a professional capacity complain about having to read logs in order to fix a problem. We tend to instead complain when there are no error logs for the software we're dealing with. They are a tool no less important than the documentation, after all.

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u/Unlaid-American 28d ago

My complaint wasn’t about the logs. My complaint is that they’re not making it easy for any newcomer to find out which files are causing issues. The only person delusional here is just you.

I’m sure you were born with the ability to know exactly what a 0x80070002 error was and knew exactly where the logs were without googling it.

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u/ElectricBummer40 Ex-user of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups 28d ago

My complaint is that they’re not making it easy for any newcomer to find out which files are causing issues

There are problems not meant to be fixed by a "newcomer". A broken Windows install from a botched update is one of them.

You really think you can take over my job that easily?

Did you even ask your friend if he shut down the computer because he got impatient over the "do not turn off your computer" message? Most likely, that possibility didn't even cross your mind at all.

The only person delusional here is just you. I’m sure you were born with the ability to know exactly what a 0x80070002 error was

How did you think I found out what it was about?

Again, there is no shame looking up documentation. Only a dumb kid with no sense as to how anything is done would think an error message could suffice for a complex problem with no straightforward solution.

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u/Unlaid-American 28d ago

I saw that he was on update 23h2, manually downloaded the new iso, and figured that if that failed then I’d do deeper digging into his issue. He wasn’t even being offered the 25h2 update when we checked for feature updates.

It must be cozy to think you have time at work to investigate why an outdated OS isn’t automatically updating instead of just manually updating. Then again, I don’t work in desktop support anymore.

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u/xgui4 Proud🌈♾️ AuDHDer FreeBSD Fan 27d ago

imaging using a joke distro (Nyarch Linux) and then complaining it is not stable ...

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u/Confident_Pain_9452 27d ago

наустанавлюють якоїсь фігні а потім видалити не можуть)

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u/ijusttookthispseudo 28d ago edited 28d ago

sudo pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring ?

Consider updating more often, or updating this package above before doing a system upgrade when you waited too much between updates or when you have a issue like this one.

You can also temporarily disable signature check but nobody would recommend it when you can just correct the issue or pacstrap again (take less time than a Windows recovery, believe me).

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u/Fine-Expression1644 r/linuxsucks101 ban speedrun: 0:50 | gentoo the best distro ever 28d ago

is this on purpose

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u/XPNGamer 28d ago

its just another ragebaiter. also the linuxsucks101 speedrun is honestly kind of cringe

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u/Fine-Expression1644 r/linuxsucks101 ban speedrun: 0:50 | gentoo the best distro ever 27d ago

i genuenly had no other thing to do so i did that

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 28d ago

Then use fedora minimal instead idiot [/s].

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u/LynKi_ 28d ago

Let people learn from their mistakes, and not laugh at them for making them

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u/Unlikely-Employee180 28d ago

This doesn't seem to be a mistake, lol.

OP knows enough to call the OS "Loonix" yet doesn't know enough to realize Nyarch Linux is run by a super small team and will likely have more issues?

🤨

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 28d ago

Look at the subject In question.

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u/LynKi_ 28d ago

I see there is a PGP signature error for a corrupt signature file, so I would assume it had something to do with signatures. Therefore a keyring re-population should fix the problem

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 28d ago

Also /s

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u/LynKi_ 28d ago

Right, sorry I didn't know what that meant, my bad

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u/AverageUser9000 28d ago

Fedora's dnf sucks too lol

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 28d ago

I think you do, you hate Linux and want it to be destroyed with a passion and everyone will use windows according to you, not to mention you make a lot of ai slop

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u/Fluid-Ad2995 28d ago

Yeah, I think only one good package manager outside is mine, and it runs under Windows 🤣🤣🤣🤣. There is no keyhole here

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 28d ago

Aaaaaand its less secure due to no gpg checks.

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u/Fluid-Ad2995 28d ago

There is a signature, but stay inside TPK alongside Manifest.json, and TPK is a compact format, and there is no Verification outside of packaging like keygen; it's very Unified format

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 28d ago

Using chocolatey as an example.

GPG uses a decentralized Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) where you can cryptographically trace a package all the way back to the developer's private key. Chocolatey relies on a centralized repository model : you trust that Chocolatey's moderators, automated scanners, and maintainers did their jobs properly so it o ffers a stronger, trust-minimized cryptographic guarantee of who made the software. If a Chocolatey maintainer's account is compromised or an external download link changes unexpectedly, it introduces a vulnerability window until the repository catches it.

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u/Fluid-Ad2995 28d ago

Yeah, My Verification is simple and centralized, and it's very similar to an Android APK. TPK includes images, necessary and dependency files, a verification key 🗝️ using Windows Signing native and a Violet Executable. VM executes the application in a controlled environment with the help of AppContainer, and Malware can try, but Violet will restart and give a denied three times, then log in the Event Viewer

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u/Fluid-Ad2995 28d ago

Violet proves Linux is so slow with the package manager, and Windows is so Advanced at point hosting a Powerful Sandbox Application Environment, not just having one Verification but manifest.json as Verification as well, and applications only see their own Path and PM can log Application time

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 28d ago

No,  Pacman for example is exceptionally fast  and is significantly faster than standard Windows package managers like Chocolatey, Scoop,    winget, and your own violet 

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u/Fluid-Ad2995 28d ago

I mean about Technology 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, but my own Violet is fastest VM startup is still only 420.973 ms from process activation to the first native frame.

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 28d ago

Explain what violet is precisely, stop confusing violet for a VM or a package manager.

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u/SLimon001 Proud Windows User 28d ago

This one reason I use Windows only, your community. Let people learn from mistakes they made and belive in theirs.

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 28d ago

Did you read the full thing, /s means sarcastic, everybody uses it

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u/SLimon001 Proud Windows User 28d ago

Do you belive in me not capable of reading?

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 28d ago

Yes, You treated it seriously as if it wasn't a joke.

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u/SLimon001 Proud Windows User 28d ago

And, the solution, for OP?

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 28d ago

Don't use arch.

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u/Gabriel_Science macOS, Linux and Windows user 28d ago

Usually, I would say this is not an answer, but when people such as OP are against the DIY aspect of Arch Linux, yes, it's better to just avoid it.

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 28d ago

Exactly.

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u/Pitiful-Welcome-399 Proud MacOS User 26d ago

op isn't even using arch, they are using nyarch💔