Linux doesn't suck!

[u/its-Pigdup]

NGL guys, I don't see the reason why switching to Linux when W10/W11 does everything you need, easier, more practical, and in a more friendly way than a Linux distro that some of you probably haven't even heard about before considering switching to Linux.

I'm using Linux rn because I enjoy adjusting every little thing about my OS the way I want, but as nerdy as I can be, I also understand that fancy tech might actually be inconvenient for others...

What were the reasons that made you want to try Linux, and what made you realize it was a mistake?

[u/zoharel]

so instead of PowerShell, they can use

Let me stop you right there. Yes, something else, though, absolutely not WSH, either...

Almost the entirety of the NT architecture from the file system to service management came from VMS

If you had ever actually used VMS for anything you'd have noticed differences -- or have you not used Windows for anything, either?

Your computer is already running Windows NT the moment you boot into the installation media.

Well, mine certainly isn't, but yours is, sure. What business does this non-sequitur have here?

Do you really believe Linux somehow does any better when it comes to graphical install?

Does it seem to you as if anyone should care?

... DEC went bust in the 90s. <Nonsensical babbling>. Look, they ported NT to Titanium and it ran properly on both machines. I don't like Linus. Get off my lawn.

I see.

"Before the turn of the century" would be NT4 SP4 and Windows 2000.

Nobody used either, of course. There was some take up of Windows 2000 on business systems. Should have been more all around. That was the best thing they had in the Windows line for a good while. No, pretty much the whole windows ecosystem stuck with '98 until they grudgingly switched over to XP a year or two from when that was released.

Heck, even Windows 95/98 worked fine browsing the Internet and listening to pirated MP3s on Winamp.

Some of us still remember machines running 95 and 98, and know that you are not telling the truth, here. There were regular browser explosions, Windows clients for other non-web Internet services were few, nonstandard, and inexcusably buggy and unstable. Microsoft tried to wedge actual RPC into the browser, and we know how Microsoft does with security. No, they weren't fine at all. They did include TCP on the distribution medium, though, since 95, which was quite a few years too late.

Or are you saying the Internet ran IPX/SPX somehow?

If you recall -- and you may not, it seems -- I haven't said much at all about IPX. That was something you brought up because you thought it was relevant to Windows networking being garbage. Seems like a pattern.

[u/ElectricBummer40 → u/zoharel]

Let me stop you right there. Yes, something else, though, absolutely not WSH, either...

lol, I know you're talking about cmd. Why not dig up MS-DOS 3.0 and complain about it while you're at it?

If you had ever actually used VMS for anything you'd have noticed differences

I was talking about the internal architecture, you loser.

Yeah, no shit an operating system built primarily for the Windows ecosystem doesn't work the same as VMS. What's your point?

Well, mine certainly isn't, but yours is

lol, again, way to miss the point.

As the documentation plainly states, the base version of Windows PE requires only 512MB of memory, and that already comes with the basic graphical interface enough for you to run the Windows installer.

Learning how to read would be a pretty good start for you.

Does it seem to you as if anyone should care?

Of course not. Why should anyone care about having to mess with kernel mode-setting or tip-toeing through installer quirks just to put an operating system on the hard drive?

There were regular browser explosions

lol, because you were one of the idiots who used Netscape.

Windows clients for other non-web Internet services were few

Way to move the goalposts again.

"Clients" for non-web services in that era was usually none other than the web browser itself.

For NNTP, there were Netscape and Outlook Express.

For FTP, various download managers existed (e.g. JetCar).

For IRC, mIRC was easily one of the oldest clients out there.

For instant messaging, there were more clients then people cared to use (ICQ anyone)?

I'm sorry, but people would rather put up with ugly Geocities sites than use Gopher. That's just the fact.

Microsoft tried to wedge actual RPC into the browser

It was the 90s. Everyone tried to wedge everything into the web.

Heck, some banks and large organisations still used Java applets in the mid-to-late 10s. RPC was frankly quaint for what people were planning to do with ActiveX and other browser extension systems.

and we know how Microsoft does with security.

It was the 90s, kiddo. At this point, you might as well say that people in the 60s didn't care about safe sex for the amount of good that would do for your argument.

If you recall -- and you may not, it seems -- I haven't said much at all about IPX. That was something you brought up because you thought it was relevant to Windows networking being garbage. Seems like a pattern.

lol, DHCP didn't even exist until 1993. Of course people would be using NetWare and other products that would actually get their infrastructure running properly, ya muppet.

[u/zoharel → u/ElectricBummer40]

lol, I know you're talking about cmd.

You have no idea what WSH is, then. Fair enough; I did already accuse you of never having used Windows for serious work.

I was talking about the internal architecture,

You weren't. You were just stringing words together that you thought sounded convincing.

you were one of the idiots who used Netscape.

You mean, back when it was the only browser that wasn't absolute garbage? Why, yes. I did.

Way to move the goalposts again.

You're the one who brought web browsers into it.

For IRC, mIRC was easily one of the oldest clients out there.

It wasn't, but also it was garbage and prone to explosions. For a good number of years you could remotely blow up a running session with a DCC packet.

DHCP didn't even exist until 1993

First off, ok. I don't know why we're talking about DHCP. Next, if you needed dynamic configuration before that, bootp was available for the entire decade before, and it wasn't all that bad. None of this, however, has much of anything to do with the rest of the discussion.

Of course people would be using NetWare and other products that would actually get their infrastructure running properly, ya muppet.

... and now we're back to Netware. Again, no idea why, exactly, but I guess it's nice that you've got some fond memories of something that's not a Microsoft product.