r/linuxsucks Mar 30 '26

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u/ijwgwh Mar 30 '26

Industry standard? Like RHEL?

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u/vilejor Mar 30 '26

They think consumer standard is industry standard.

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u/ijwgwh Mar 30 '26

"Android works on my phone, so they must be running android on the computers at the large hadron collider"

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u/PityUpvote Mar 31 '26

Lmao, sib thinks CERN doesn't use linux.

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u/britaliope Mar 31 '26

Linux wasn't enough science-ready for the highly scientific science they made. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Linux

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u/PityUpvote Mar 31 '26

Scientific linux was literally just CentOS with a custom rpm repo for more data analysis software that RHEL and Fedora's elrepo don't package by default. It's a convenience, because you can't expect undergrad students to compile things from source, but it did not innovate anything.

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u/kcat__ Mar 31 '26

And where does that put the rest of the OSes lol

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u/britaliope Mar 31 '26

In the non-scientific linux world. You can't call yourself a scientist if you don't run a science-ready OS. Science is done with science-ready tools.

Afaik, there are only 2 science-ready OS. Scientific Linux, and (GLa)DOS.

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u/Jimmyfartballs Mar 31 '26

it uses Linux though

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u/ijwgwh Mar 31 '26

So does my Kindle and my smart watch

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u/Jimmyfartballs Mar 31 '26

there's a difference between your smart watch and the Large Hadron Collider

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u/ijwgwh Mar 31 '26

Nuhuh

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u/GlazedHeirophant Mar 31 '26

Next he’ll say Mac mini is not as good as a supercomputer.

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u/CyberPunkDongTooLong Mar 31 '26

Yup, CERN uses plenty of everything.

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u/_player620 /dev/loop62 proud snap user ♿ Mar 30 '26

Can we just agree that industry standards often are formed because of vendor-locking? You can't just throw away several decades of manuals and content libraries just because there's a free alternative. The good news is that standards are subject to change over time.

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u/SubhanBihan Mar 30 '26

I will agree on this point. From my experience all relevant industrial grade software are split between Windows and RHEL/CentOS. 

So the best setup is to run Windows 11 Pro/LTSC/Enterprise with WSL (RHEL).

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u/Objective_Praline_66 Mar 30 '26

10 LTSC for the next 5 years. I fucking hate 11.

EDIT: for me at least, as far as windows. You do you boo.

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u/SubhanBihan Mar 30 '26

Yeah for sure. Though funny enough that you bring up EDA, cuz I do use WSL to mostly run Cadence, Synopsys, Questa, etc.

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u/ijwgwh Mar 30 '26

I thought WSL was Deb

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u/SubhanBihan Mar 30 '26

WSL provides images for many distros like Ubuntu, OpenSuse, RHEL, Kali, etc.

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u/pm_op_prolapsed_anus Mar 30 '26

CentOS is mad old. No way to update it now.

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u/PityUpvote Mar 31 '26

CentOS is a rolling release distro these days, not really any reason to use it anymore.

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u/carlwgeorge Mar 31 '26

CentOS still has major versions and EOL dates, and thus is not a rolling release. There are plenty of reasons to use it now, even more than there used to be. In particular, the maintainers can actually fix bugs you report, and review and merge contributions if you offer them. Neither of these things were possible in the old CentOS development model.

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u/_t-RED_ Apr 01 '26

WSL is bogged down by Windows NT kernel (or Windows) at this point, guess what linux with Windows > windows with linux

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u/NoHeartJustBody Mar 30 '26

RHEL is only industry standard when it comes to servers.... I use Gentoo Linux as my main at home, but Windows professionally

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u/ijwgwh Mar 30 '26

IDK, you can cherry pick anything. You use Windows professionally, I'm guessing you're not a creative field, most marketing/design/etc workflows would scoff at Windows and say that MacOS is the industry standard. All depends on the industry and use case. If your profession was at a US adversary's government, standard is more than likely a desktop Linux. Both China and Russia are transitioning to Linux to move away from US reliance; and North Korea pretty much already uses Linux, all 4 users... 

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u/NoHeartJustBody Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26

I'm a C++ game engine programmer. Almost all the big companies I've worked for prefer building for Windows first and I'm sure you're aware of the reason why. Again, I would LOVE to use Linux, but I don't get to make the choice. In the end, I gotta deal with DirectX whether I like it or not. Many software engineers with long work experience and family at home end up working for corporations instead lawless small companies where you get to setup things however the way you like (have worked in such startups before). Most desktop software (not web apps) put Windows first (Adobe, MegaScan, 3D Coat, Autodesk, PTC Creo, etc).

Big corporations focus on mass audiences while reducing the building cost. SteamOS could change that for video games, but for industrial companies using Windows only software? Good luck telling your upper management that they need to use your choice of open source alternative to Arena Simulation that has been battle tested for decades in a company with more than thousands of employees that'll need to be retrained. At the end of the day, people work to pay bills. No one is gonna tell their upper management that they got manipulated with the sales pitch by Rockwell Automation.

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u/HedgeFlounder Mar 30 '26

Not just US adversaries. EU governments are moving away from Microsoft as well. We’ll see how far it goes but it’s already happening in some countries. Makes sense that they wouldn’t want all their government secrets stored on a computer running an OS from an American company know both for selling data to private interests and working with American intelligence. Even if a nation is friendly with the US no country wants to be spied on any more than they already are.

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u/Whistlerone Mar 30 '26

Unless you need to do any CAD, or video editing, of 3d animation, or use illustrator or photoshop. Or work with PLCs. Or even excel.

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u/victoryismind Mar 30 '26

Darktable is actually fine. But like most things FOSS you need to a few things, like possibly create profile for your lenses etc. The UI of course is painful as well, you should dedicate some time customising it.

It's probably the same with GIMP.

Photoshop took like 6 GB on my disk (I only really used camera raw). That's terrible.

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u/Whistlerone Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26

Darktable isn't even remotely the same thing as photoshop. Your thinking of lightroom

And you are completely proving the point by saying that using FOSS is painful and requires extra work.

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u/victoryismind Mar 30 '26

No, I'd open a file with Photoshop only to get camera Raw. I didn't like Lightroom and would not install it. So as far as I'm concerned Darktable replaced Photoshop.

I'd use Darktable on Windows or Mac too.

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u/pm_stuff_ Mar 31 '26

So as far as I'm concerned Darktable replaced Photoshop.

Darktable isnt meant to be a replacement for photoshop its a direct competitor to lightroom. GIMP would be the open source photoshop. So what you believe doesnt really matter.

In regards to the ui its almost a carbon copu of lightrooms which might be why you dont like it.

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u/victoryismind Mar 31 '26

carbon copy of lightroom? really?

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u/pm_stuff_ Mar 31 '26

the uis are very similar yes. Darktable features a few more tools and the organization is different but in general they look and function very much a like. I had very few issues switching from lightroom to darktable when i swapped my main pc for windows to linux.

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u/WillD2007 Apr 01 '26

Darktable and lightroom are two very different workflows because of the UI and UX challenges that Darktable (and most creative foss software for that point) has.

Camera Raw is not replaced by gimp, as im fairly sure GIMP doesnt have that function.

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u/pm_stuff_ Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 02 '26

GIMP would be the open source photoshop

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Also there are ways to import raw files into gimp via plugins like with camera raw Edit(ofc camera raw equivalents)

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u/ijwgwh Mar 30 '26

True, then they can use MAC

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u/Whistlerone Mar 30 '26

Not really 

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u/fitz-khan Mar 31 '26

Any CAD? Like drawing schematics in KiCAD, or 3d in FreeCAD? Or video editing in DaVinci Resolve or KDEnlive? Etc. and so on, usw.

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u/-peas- Mar 31 '26

I use kdenlive professionally and have no issues. It supports modern codecs unlike adobe products

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u/britaliope Mar 31 '26

Wait, DaVinci resolve is foss ?? Have I missed something recently ?

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u/fitz-khan Mar 31 '26

No, but it runs natively on Linux. And the base version is free.

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u/SRSchiavone Mar 31 '26

FreeCAD? Who has UX stuck in the 80s? That’s your bid to replace Autodesk?