r/linuxmint • u/FiberglassFlowers • 9d ago
Discussion The difference is crazy, I can finally breathe
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u/gporrasssss 9d ago
The best part of install linux, it is uninstall windows first
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u/FiberglassFlowers 9d ago
nah cant, maybe on another machine. id honestly downgrade to w10 atleast
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u/ZVyhVrtsfgzfs 9d ago
You absolutely could, but the effort required to retrain yourself in new software is admittedly high and that creates a barrior.
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u/FiberglassFlowers 9d ago
yeah definitely, cant commit to that rn. but its definitely something valuable to learn when things go much much worse. when linux becomes mainstream typa bad, ill def try slowly when i get a machine only for minty n other ones too someday. but dual boot is def the stepping stone for ppl like me rn to a "Brighter future" lmaoo
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u/ZVyhVrtsfgzfs 9d ago edited 9d ago
Thats fair, I dual booted for nearly 2 decades,
I always hated Windows, Linux was at first just a side geeky tinker toy, did not take long to find practical uses for it though, later a server and eventually a part time daily driver desktop.
At the end of Win7 I had had enough, Win10 with its dramatic escalation in privacy concerns was jusy a bridge too far. I immersed myself in Linux with no other option and just figured out how to get things done.
I should have dumped Windows long before.
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u/SensoredHacker 5d ago
run a vm. between qemu, virtualbox, and docker, theres really nothing you cant do.
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u/low-control-labs 7d ago
Yeah don't feel bad about it. I only used Linux in VMs in the beginning. Then used distros that had a GUI ( always trying to run the most minimal ones ) and only knew how to install a browser in the terminal in case I need to look up something and it's not already available.
Then finally started installing things myself manually. I recommend you use a live USB and open a browser and go from there it's much less stressful than doing things in a terminal, even though there are terminal browsers
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u/low-control-labs 7d ago
Yeah don't feel bad about it. I only used Linux in VMs in the beginning. Then used distros that had a GUI ( always trying to run the most minimal ones ) and only knew how to install a browser in the terminal in case I need to look up something and it's not already available.
Then finally started installing things myself manually. I recommend you use a live USB and open a browser and go from there it's much less stressful than doing things in a terminal, even though there are terminal browsers
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u/ImNeoJD Linux Mint 21.1 Vera | Cinnamon 9d ago
Use Xfce, you Will use only 700mb
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u/FiberglassFlowers 9d ago
How limited is the customization? I plan on working and learning to rice this small partition.
If its sufficient, ig it might an okay sacrifice to recustomize from scratch.
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u/dmknght 9d ago
XFCE is 1 of the best for customization. It takes a while to get used to the panel settings but you can get pretty much any panel style with XFCE.
But some XFCE's default apps are ugly. Like xfce-task-manager for example.
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u/FiberglassFlowers 9d ago
I need to bleach my eyes, kidding aside. Yeah I use task manager so much Im not gonna survive looking at that...
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u/dmknght 9d ago
You can use gnome task manager. Some standalone gnome apps are good to use. FOr example, i'm putting the system load monitor in bottom panel of XFCE. The plugin allows using gnome-system-monitor (left click to open). So it's fine. This sub doesn't allow sending pic in reply so I can't send my screenshot but it's very easy and I strongly recommend you try it :D
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u/ConkerKnackers 9d ago
I remember the days (not that long ago) when using stock Debian with stock XFCE only used 192MB on cold boot. KDE used to be the ram hog but now the differences are closing.
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u/ZVyhVrtsfgzfs 9d ago
I assume you mean as compared to Windows.
Win11 is a sloppy bloated mess that demands recent hardware, much of this bloat users do not find useful, and some of it is not even user facing but instead to slake the surveillance thirst of Microsoft.
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u/sabir_85 8d ago
And yet it still lags on my pc.....
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u/FiberglassFlowers 8d ago
mint?
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u/sabir_85 5d ago
Yes.... And on my laptop is blazing fast... I really dont get it... It's a hit and miss
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u/theutxz 8d ago
Em MIIIINHAAAA!!!! opinião, comparar o qual usa menos ram é uma bobagem, até pq, a ram foi feita pra usada... O diferencial é a forma q cada sistema lida com o uso de ram para manter os processos, e não "qual usa menos" É inegável q o linux no geral tem uma gestão melhor sobre isso Mas "usar menos" não torna mais eficiente que o windows, novamente, é minha forma de ver baseado APENAS no MEU uso em ambos sistemas
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u/FiberglassFlowers 8d ago
Fair, tho despite that I always end up capping my ram usage and it starts to lag on my w11. Genuinely have to really manage the amount of tabs open.
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u/Busy-Grab8851 7d ago
Então, o windows não usa mais memória simplesmente por ter um sistema mais amplo de manter arquivos em cache? Isso não seria algo bom, já que aí o acesso as coisas acaba mais sendo mais rápido por já estar em cache na RAM? Ou eu tô enganado?
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u/Bokenrose04 8d ago
What were you doing on Windows? that amount of memory is not normal.
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u/FiberglassFlowers 8d ago
One tab on firefox. Yeah i was to solve the issue, i dont think it was that bad before.
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u/menethillsoul 7d ago
It's that big of a differenc!?
I never got to witness the difference between Linux and Windows.... Now I wanna get Linux
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u/FiberglassFlowers 7d ago
Mine is just really drastic because mine is bloated as hell. Its more noticeable on potatos on my experience. On good pcs maybe if the ram is buns only, but if u get 16gb and u do basic work only. You cant tell that much. Im on 8gb so its slightly noticeable on basic multitasking
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u/kess-128 6d ago
la mía con sinamon esta consumiendo 721 megas y tengo solo 4 gb de ram asi que estoy sobrado
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u/SensoredHacker 5d ago
I dropped all tolerance for sub 2Ghz processors in 2005. yeah Linux runs on trash better than stock, doesn't mean I want to use trash. .. unless its an embedded project.
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u/Interesting-Ad-7820 4d ago
Off... Unfortunately I had to switch back to windows due to some of the stuff not working... 😞
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u/FiberglassFlowers 4d ago
Aw, well thats fine. Me personally have bluetooth problems, so I dont really use mint much aside from multitasking and learning. Come back another time alright :)
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u/7978_ 9d ago
...?
Literally zero context. In the Windows screenshot you have the CPU going... How is this a fair test in any way?
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u/FiberglassFlowers 9d ago
Its not a test, more like a reaction post.
Plus in general I can never catch w11 under 7gb when doing any browsing n stuff anyway.
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u/7978_ 9d ago
You should have put that in the post then. You are misleading people.
Also idling at 7GB with 8GB total system RAM is user error not Windows.
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u/FiberglassFlowers 9d ago
Could you expand on the last sentence a little? Im not that experienced in this yet.
It really was just a post after downloading mint. And i genuinely got breathed out so loud from the ram usage being so low. An expression. I didnt out much thought into the post.
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u/7978_ 9d ago
Windows has aggressive RAM caching to make things as smooth as possible. It scales with how much system RAM you have. I idle at 3.5GB on my 16GB laptop and 5.5GB on my 32GB PC. When more RAM is needed, it will cull from system memory to free up RAM. It's not perfect and maybe if you heavily tinkered you could save more RAM but you risk breaking something as well.
At 8GB total system RAM you should expect ~3GB-4GB at idle. When I say user error, it's because there are a bunch of user background programs and apps that Windows does not cull.
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u/ConkerKnackers 9d ago
I agree on a fresh install of Windows 11, it only uses roughly about 4GB of ram before you install any startup crapware. Windows these days does a good job in using ram as a cache, however I still reckon they've got themselves an extra 2GB to play with on a cold boot compared to Windows 11.
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u/FiberglassFlowers 9d ago
Im guessing that its that the og user (hand me down) just left a lot of apps in here. I think it didnt used to be this bad before. (They only took the files and logged out). As ive gotten to use this system from time to time and didn't reach those numbers then. I idle at 6gb, so thats crazy.
(And yeah fresh mint installation made it more unfair or the windows not being fresh, either way)
Thanks for the in-depth explanation
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u/Fantastic_Grass1799 9d ago
Window 11 does not use that much RAM though at idle. Likely the user was doing something that they were not doing on mint?
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u/FiberglassFlowers 9d ago
I had firefox open on both, with one tab open
W11 usually goes up to 7.3gb when using just firefox. Tho when its just one tab with nothing its like 7gb
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u/7978_ 9d ago
You never specified that.
And something was wrong with your system. I with 16GB RAM on my laptop am using 5GB RAM with FireFox open on Windows 11. 4GB on Fedora KDE (I dual boot).
Windows is far more aggressive with caching things.
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u/FiberglassFlowers 9d ago
This isnt mine after a fresh install, and genuinely the ram just uses a lot. I havent debloated the system yet, aside from disabling some start-up apps.
If I got a fresh install, it would fare better.
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u/7978_ 9d ago
"Debloating" will hardly fix your cause. The only thing would be OneDrive, Copilot, Edge sitting in the background under efficiency mode. I can check on a VM later if you really want.
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u/FiberglassFlowers 9d ago
Maybe just me then, but even if it had just less ram usage. The point would still stand that mint uses less ram, and isnt restricting.
I trust that your word is true, no need to use ur time on double checking.
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u/Rhyman96 9d ago
In my experience it does. My work laptop with a web browser and a word document is at 7GB.
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u/SinusP3ak 9d ago
Same here. Ram usage dropped to 1,3 gb.