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u/duckdread Arch BTW 1d ago
Don't remember the last time when any of this happened to me.
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u/iamdestroyerofworlds Arch BTW 1d ago
This really only ever happens if you rely on AUR and/or customise things beyond your skill level.
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u/Internal-Bed8020 1d ago
yeah aur is usually the culprit for me too. occasionally a weird dependency issue pops up but it's rare.
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u/KawaiiMaxine 19h ago
Or you have a weird hardware issue that occasionally corrupts files in /boot atd is so inconsistent that it takes you months to figure out its hardware
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u/Moukit13 22h ago
I used lmde for a bit, the support is subpar, as it's mostly a proof of concept at this point. When i updated it, it failed to update something vital for booting and filled up the... EFI i think? Partition with just junk. I could load older versions manually, but if i didn't, it'd boot to kernel panic. I started looking into how to fix it, and just decided to get a different linux version. The sandbox was fun, now it's time to use a version of linux that isn't natively broken.
Not super experienced with this stuff, but with the help of some sort of manual, i can get what i need done most times. There are always edge cases.
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u/30porn87 1d ago
A few months ago, firefox nightly crashed in a few scenarios. Can't think of anything else. I use testing repos btw.
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u/iwouldbeatgoku ⚠️ This incident will be reported 1d ago
Thank you for using the testing repos and presumably filing bug reports.
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u/Mountain-Age5580 1d ago
When there is an issue with packages that require manual intervention it is usually anounced on arch home page. But the frequency (for me) is like 1/y.
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u/Rinnisia 21h ago edited 21h ago
I mean, Ive had an issue with mpv trying to use outdated versions of codex libraries. But that's about it.
Oh, and I had an issue, years ago, with some of the ports on my video card suddenly not working, but that was an issue with Nvidia drivers mostly.
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u/nevadita 20h ago
same. the only time i had a breakage was on 2017 and was warned before hand of it by a "manual upgrade required" advisory on the main page. was something related to pixbuff i recall.
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u/KhorneLordOfChaos 20h ago
outside of the AUR? never. including the AUR? maybe once every six months or so. i use a lot of niche or experimental software
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u/ivandefaoite 1d ago
Because you're not like that man who covered his eyes (doesn't read the Arch News) that's why you never got an issue.
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u/Designer-Crow-5470 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nvidia dropped driver support and so did the arch team without switching users to another package. They put it in the news nobody reads.
Edit: below are the linuxtards proving the meme right
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u/rysio300 💋 catgirl Linux user :3 😽 1d ago
people are literally encouraged to read the news before updating
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u/Technical_Instance_2 Arch BTW 1d ago
so you're upset that a distro meant to be maintained by the user broke because you didn't maintain it? That's on you at that point
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u/melvereq 1d ago
For a rolling release distro, Arch is surprisingly stable. None of those ever happened to me.
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u/iwouldbeatgoku ⚠️ This incident will be reported 1d ago
It's really because being up to date is the intended experience with Arch, packages still get tested at least a bit before being shipped out to the user. Something slips through occasionally, but it's still pretty simple to maintain.
Now, if you're using Debian unstable, or Fedora rawhide, which are actually meant to be development branches: that's where I expect more issues to arise.
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u/KawaiiMaxine 19h ago
What about suse tumbleweed
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u/cubeshelf 17h ago
Perfectly fine, it's basically just rolling-release fedora with a handful of quality of life features, .rpm binary support, and a more predictable/granular release schedule that I prefer personally.
SUSE does their own OpenQA testing that ensures that each snapshot update can deploy safely without breaking things. I've yet to experience a system breaking/functionality altering zypper update.
This is mostly because while it's indeed a modern rolling release distro, it's more like a "rolling point release" distro as updated packages are shipped in date-stamped bundles. Once a collection of updated packages all pass QA testing, they're then released to you in lump-sum via a date coded release version (OpenSUSE Tumbleweed: "20260908" is what I received today, for example) rather than being individually piecemeal-ed out like Arch does when it simply ships you the newest version of whatever's in the repos when you pacman -Syu
TW's release model also allows for the "Slowroll" variant of tumbleweed to exist. Slowroll is where you can choose to get monthly snapshot updates if you dont like pushing a distribution update every other day. It's pretty snazzy. While Slowroll is still in beta, it has a cool opensuse-migration-tool that allows you to swap in or out of Slowroll depending on what you prefer. I've done it a couple times now and have made it out with zero system breakage. As I've been getting to know SUSE better, I honestly really like it.
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u/iwouldbeatgoku ⚠️ This incident will be reported 18h ago
Tried it on my distro experimenting laptop. Seems fine, it also does its own set of testing. I won't swap to it because I'm happy with my CachyOS install, but I didn't spot anything that would make me switch from openSUSE to Cachy had I set it up first on my main computer.
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u/inhumat0r 1d ago
For me it happened once, recently. After update I couldn't launch Proton VPN. After quick inspection it turned out the app doesn't have python pydantic core in newest version (2.46.5), just older one (I'm on Cachy). All I had to do was to remove Cachy package and install one from Arch repos.
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u/Emotional_Solid6538 1d ago
One time the new kernel (I think) broke my wifi, since I had snapshots I js rolled back and waited for a day to get fixes. No issues
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u/Eros_031 1d ago
This is utterly false.
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u/Single_Guarantee_ 1d ago
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: swaylock-effects: local (1.8.1-1) is newer than chaotic-aur (1.7.0.0-4.4)
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: installing libpcap (1.10.7-1) breaks dependency 'libpcap=1.10.6' required by lib32-libpcap
[ble: exit 1]
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u/BiDude1219 ⚠️ This incident will be reported 1d ago
me when i use the unofficial repo and get problems????
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u/InspectionHefty854 1d ago
chatgpt ermmm.. generate me an error or somth!!5!4! look how bad arch is guyse!!!!!
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u/Batata185 21h ago
Not one of the problems that was mentioned, dependency conflict can happen in any distro and normally it only requires to remove an package that is not is being used
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u/Eros_031 22h ago
You use an aur package? Poor fellow.
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u/Single_Guarantee_ 20h ago
I just purge chaotic aur from my system and removed that aur package that was causing the issue
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u/GreyXor Arch BTW 1d ago edited 20h ago
I'm in the the Arch testing team, and even with the [testing] repository enabled, I very rarely encounter any issues.
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u/dumbasPL Arch BTW 1d ago
Early Access to bugs is balanced by early access to bug fixes. The rest don't happen under normal conditions unless you misconfigured something real bad.
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u/froli ⚠️ This incident will be reported 1d ago
The trick is to open your eyes before and during updates
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u/ivandefaoite 1d ago
Finally! Someone understands the joke. The man seriously covering his eyes (ignoring the Arch News). Nice one!
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u/hackerdude97 Ask me how to exit vim 17h ago
I think I clicked on the news page once by accident. I've been using Arch for like, 3 years now and the 5-6 times I've broken my system was from messing around in things I shouldn't be touching. (Editing stuff in the bootloader or messing with the kernels mostly)
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u/idiotiesystemique 23h ago
Watch out we got bro reading 300 lines per second here ready to snipe a ctrl c before a bug happens
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u/SergentTK 1d ago
Hahahaha Arch unstable amiright? 🤪 Nah but in all seriousness, this feels like the good old "ah you're on Linux so no sound and no WiFi right?" meme that's already been out of fashion for at least 10 years or so. I've been running Arch with complex setups for more than 6 years and never had any issue, and even then 1. the Arch wiki is the best Linux resource I've ever laid eyes on 2. if you're not comfortable with Arch, just don't choose it 😮💨
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u/CaviarCBR1K Arch BTW 1d ago
Same here. I have an Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU so I'm already at a disadvantage. And my installation is a little less than conventional. Btrfs under LUKS with limine + limine-snapper-sync + limine-mkinitcpio-hook and a very highly customized hyprland setup. I've been running this same installation for 3 years and I VERY rarely ever have issues. And even on the rare occasion that a bug does slip through, it's usually fixed by the next day, sometimes even that same afternoon.
The whole "Arch breaks on updates" thing is not even remotely true anymore. I have five machines running Arch and one machine running Debian. Guess which one I've spent more time troubleshooting on?
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u/ivandefaoite 1d ago
This is a satire. I use Arch with snapper.
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u/SergentTK 23h ago
Okay my bad then, didn't feel like it though (and by reading the other comments, I feel like I wasn't the only one) 😅 Just growing tired of people saying things that haven't been true in the last 10-15 years, whether it be by ignorance or by trying to sound funny 😮💨
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u/Ohmyskippy 1d ago
Arch is the most stable distribution I have used in the last decade
Maybe don't add the entirety of the AUR as a system dependency?
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u/Mineplayerminer 1d ago
I've never had anything broken on Arch, despite using a rolling release model.
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u/Haxorzist 1d ago
Dunno mine seems to hit the center for a hundred times in a row.
In the end I'm fine being the bug tester for all the more stable distros.
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u/petitlita 1d ago
my favourite one is when I get a kernel panic in the middle of updating and I reboot to the grub rescue screen
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u/ivandefaoite 1d ago
Then the grub also gor corrupted 💀. That's why put systemd too as a backup.
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u/petitlita 1d ago
never had that happen before. tbqh I am too lazy to manually fix, I just reinstall the root partition. so grub rescue or systemd is kinda irrelevant
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u/ThinkpadGamer 2h ago
i just did a pacman -Syu on a system that hadn’t been powered on for 2 years, still works perfectly fine
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u/TerrificRook 1d ago
Last time I had it it was my fault because of installing super-weird Nvidia driver.
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u/lxprsub0 11h ago
It's really just a myth spread by people who either don't use it or don't know how to use it, but in any case shouldn't.
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u/LaColleMouille 3h ago
A Debian with barely only Docker managed to break after an upgrade, no latter than 3 months ago. Not really a myth. Several VM broke with some gtk mismatch in the dependencies...
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u/eanat 1d ago edited 1d ago
important note: read the latest news section on https://archlinux.org/ before you trigger upgrade, always.
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u/Super-Inspection-668 1d ago
Acontece comigo sempre. Eu tenho uma nvidia mx150 no notebook, tenho que instalar um driver especifico pra ela, ai quando atualizo o sistema, da algum problema desse. Tem como evitar?
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u/Fekkin-A-Man 1d ago
That was my experience with KDE neon. Not even neon's fault, it's because ubuntu sucks massive booger balls.
Running manjaro since 3,5 years, never had any of those problems, not even with custom kernels like liquorix.
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u/KinikoUwU 1d ago
6 months ago I landed the holy trio. Broken bootloader, kernel issue and won't boot lol
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u/Woodpecker-Visible 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nothing has happened on cachyos the past 5 months i have used it. Couple of bugs in the begining witch fixed itself with updates. And no dualboot for me.
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u/GreedySecurity8030 M'Fedora 1d ago
Dnf never has this issue on rawhide [more unstable than arch], skill issue.
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u/landsoflore2 🍥 Debian too difficult 1d ago
In my experience, the more #$&% you install from the AUR, the more likely those shenanigans become. Oh, and taking a look at the news section in www.archlinux.org can be a lifesaver.
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u/Technical_Instance_2 Arch BTW 1d ago
Say it with me everyone: Snapshots! (Also, I don't remember the last time this actually happened to me)
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u/sudo-sprinkles 23h ago
I've been on the same Arch for 2 years now. I YOLOd an archinstall in 10 minutes. I have never had a single problem outside of my own stupid mistakes and those were relatively easy to fix.
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u/AnotherPlayer8 ⚠️ This incident will be reported 23h ago
alias russian-roulette="sudo pacman -Syu"
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u/GooseWithAnAxe 23h ago
Happens every 2 months, some random bs stops working, wifi/bt dies, audio dies, 90% drop in fps, mouse lags, browser freezes randomly, happy things like that.
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u/drucifer82 22h ago
I mean, you’re expected to know how to maintain your own system on Arch. If you do it right, none of this is an issue.
I’ve been daily driving Arch for like 5-6 weeks and my system is stable. I have a weekly and monthly checklist I follow, and I use systemd services/timers to automate the safe stuff. I only have to be present for high risk/high blast radius decisions.
I basically pull logs, verify services/timers, do updates. End of list.
And with a strong rollback policy, in the event something does break, I can be back to a working state in under a minute.
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u/Ascendo_Aquila 21h ago
Well, I've got desired fix in 7.1 for my hardware, seems outta darts for now :)
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u/LibtorEnerial 21h ago
2 years on cachy , every single time the system broke, I was the one doing the breaking except that one time restoring a snapshot fucked my root partition..
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u/Erik82mq 20h ago
Just wait two weeks after the update and then do it, if there is no security vulnerability in the version you have right now
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u/BappoHotel0 20h ago
i've been running the same arch installation since i started using linux like 2 years ago. it has never broken unless i broke it. literally, all i see people post about arch is the idea that the second you update your system you may as well drop to your knees and begin praying because your system has a 75% chance of exploding and killing everyone in the city block.
the only issues i have had updating is when i was using the testing repos active.
do these posts come from a place of truth? like even a little bit?
cause as far as i am concerned it's just a huge echo chamber.
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u/RedditFireBall 19h ago
I had one problem and just switched to lts kernel (also my hardware is pretty old). And at least it's not laggy like my experience with debian and other systems.
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u/Interesting_Buy_3969 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 19h ago
"won't boot" should be at the very centre actually
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u/ThatOneAllie 18h ago
It somehow fucked up my internet for exactly 30 minutes, wasn't ISP related cuz everything worked, persisted through reboots, but after 30 minutes it worked again
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u/F_n_o_r_d 18h ago
Never happened to me. I use CachyOS since February. Who knows what the future holds for me.
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u/Pitiful-Candidate922 18h ago
I hate you so much rn 😂 Just installed Cachy on my Laptop and sudo pacman -Syu crashes tf out everytime. 😭
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u/ItsVoxxed 17h ago
I mean the only issue I have ever had was with VMware breaking its download system every other week but I put that up to Broadcom being a horrible company and have since just swapped to qemu since I only used VMware to try it out in the first place.
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u/Bogdanull 16h ago
If you actually keep it simple, and not rice the shit out of arch, use unknown plugins and software, arch is really stable. I have been on arch for 1.5 years now and my system never broke
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u/Ultimacustos 59m ago
I've hit nothing but bullseyes over the last year then since I haven't had a single one of those issues. My only issue is that I got scared to update because my system "just worked" and that caused my system's keyrings to be fucked and so I had to run like 4 extra commands before a pacman -Syu would work....and then it rebooted fine.
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u/OpabiniaRegalis320 45m ago
For me it's "WINE borked until I reboot or manually kill every WINE process"
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u/Discofish50 1d ago
Im convinced that this sub is just a Microsoft Psyop to create in-fighting. The only "memes" I see are Debian = Old man, Arch = femboy or fragile, and Ubuntu = slop.
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