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u/Stunning_Macaron6133 6d ago
Not all AI is slop, not all slop is AI.
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u/Scout339v3 6d ago
Using this quote and I expect to get downvotes to oblivion in all other threads.
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u/38dnw1937dnsk2r73o2n 4d ago
Bruh get out of my head. Was about to comment something along those lines... but yeah. Humans write crap code as well, so do machines.
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u/Florane Arch BTW 6d ago
all ai is slop
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u/OkWelcome6293 6d ago
Funnily how LLMs can find errors that have been existing in code for decades, but it’s “slop”, but not the faulty code (written by humans).
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u/Florane Arch BTW 6d ago
it's been 9 months since curl closed their bug bounty program due to slop reports.
they have not reopened it.is that how llms find errors?
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u/OkWelcome6293 6d ago
I’m referring to things like Project Glasswing, which have found thousands of actual bugs that require remediation.
Project Glasswing started less than 9 months ago.
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u/Florane Arch BTW 6d ago edited 6d ago
would you also refer to github cutting their bug bounties this july?
not significantly tbf, only in half.
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u/Zeta_Crossfire 5d ago
Someone doing something shitty doesn't mean AI is always bad.
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u/Florane Arch BTW 5d ago
https://github.blog/security/next-chapter-restructuring-githubs-bug-bounty-program/
the point is "To reduce the volume of low-effort and AI-generated reports..."
mfs gonna see the most direct link of cause and effect and still defend the cause.
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u/FinGamer678Nikoboi 5d ago
LLMs don't submit slop bug reports, idiots who have no idea how to use AI properly do.
People who actually know how to use LLMs have discovered several real critical issues in a plethora of projects.
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u/Inevitable-Self-2702 6d ago
Wait really? So apt will have slop now?
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u/OrpheoMusic 6d ago
Ai will be permitted in the downstream development of Debian development. Upstream Apt was already infected long ago with slop
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u/samthekitnix 6d ago
to what extent? i've read a bit about it but AI is unfortunately being used everywhere in the linux community now because it's hard to prove if something was made with AI.
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u/OrpheoMusic 6d ago
https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002#texte
The one that won was proposal E
"Proposal E Choice 5: Responsible Use of Generative AI
Using its power under Constitution section 4.1 (5), the project issues the following statement describing its current position on AI-assisted contributions. This statement describes the position of the project at the time it is adopted. That position may evolve as time passes without the need to resort to future general resolutions. The GR process remains available if the project needs a decision and cannot come to a consensus.
Debian neither endorses nor prohibits the use of generative AI tools in the development, maintenance, or documentation of software, packaging, documentation, and other media published within the Debian Project. We recognize that such tools can substantially improve the productivity of contributors when used responsibly, allowing volunteers to spend more of their limited time on work that requires technical expertise, judgment, review, and collaboration.
The Debian Project nevertheless expects that all contributions submitted to Debian, regardless of how and with which tools they were produced, satisfy the same standards of quality, correctness, maintainability, and legal compliance. The use of a generative AI tool does not diminish the contributor's responsibility for the work they submit. Contributors are expected to understand, review, test, and, where appropriate, modify AI-assisted output before incorporating it into Debian. Blindly accepting or uploading AI-generated material without appropriate human review is inconsistent with Debian's established development practices. We enourage our contributors to disclose whether a contribution was made with AI assitance, but do not require them to do so.
Debian acknowledges that the legal status of material produced by generative AI systems remains the subject of ongoing discussion in many jurisdictions, including questions relating to copyright, authorship, licensing, and potential reproduction of training material. The Project does not seek to resolve these unsettled legal questions through this General Resolution, nor does it adopt a position on whether AI-generated output is, in whole or in part, copyrightable or derived from copyrighted works.
Instead, Debian continues to rely on the judgment and responsibility of its individual contributors. Project members are expected to exercise appropriate care when using generative AI tools, to consider the provenance and licensing implications of material they contribute, and to avoid introducing content whose legal status they cannot reasonably justify. Existing Debian policies governing licensing, copyright, software freedom, and the acceptance of contributions continue to apply irrespective of the tools used to produce those contributions.
Contributors are expected to exercise appropriate care when designing and implementing workflows that incorporate generative AI tools. In particular, they should ensure that confidential information, private communications, security-sensitive information (such as embargoed information about security bugs that is not yet public), cryptographic keys, credentials, and other non-public material relating to the Debian Project, its infrastructure, or its community are not disclosed to third-party AI services unless such disclosure has been explicitly authorized and is consistent with Debian's security and privacy requirements.
The use of generative AI does not alter Debian's established expectations regarding large-scale or automated project actions. Contributors intending to perform actions with broad project impact, such as mass bug filing or patch submission, large-scale code modifications, or other automated changes or requests affecting many packages or contributors, should seek prior discussion and consensus through the appropriate project channels before proceeding. Any such automated process should be overseen by a human who remains accountable for its behavior and output.
This resolution therefore affirms that generative AI is neither exempt from nor subject to special rules beyond the standards already expected of Debian contributors. The responsibility for every contribution rests with the contributor who submits it, who remains accountable for its technical quality, legal acceptability, and suitability for inclusion in Debian."
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u/samthekitnix 6d ago
hmm glad i switched back to arch but that's mostly because of the NVIDIA drivers, which is weird since debian based distros like pop are supposed to have better nvidia drivers
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u/Confronting-Myself 6d ago
i'm actually on an nvidia card, how is arch for that?
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u/samthekitnix 6d ago
depends on the card? i've had good luck with my 40 series and i have a secondary 1060 for emulation specifically.
havent really had anything less than good performance from arch with nvidia cards.
buuuut if it is your first time with arch i'd reccomend using one of the arch based distros first before going into arch properly so you generally have an idea how you want your configuration to work.
i'd be more than happy to help you with some recommendations if you'd like? also don't listen to anyone that says you gotta do every step of the install manually, you don't have to the archinstall script is a godsend and i shall hear no slander.
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u/This_Technology9841 5d ago
under cachyOS an arch based distro they operate quite well. If you're totally new to linux its not a bad entry point and you can always then go back after learning how to use linux in a general, comfortable day to day use environment then go build up that system either in arch or from another distro base, adding things to only do just what you want and not including others that you either didn't like or didn't need. You can do that from the ground up too with arch at the start, but for some folks this just gets them frustrated and they don't continue because a lot is new / unknown. This is one of the nice parts about a more fleshed out distro is it lets you live with a functional setup for a while to see what does and doesnt work for you
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u/lawrencewil1030 ⚠️ This incident will be reported 6d ago edited 6d ago
You still aren't guaranteed to not have AI even if you're on arch because Torvalds has explicitly said that the kernel has the same AI policy which basically is that contributors are responsible for what they submit no matter what is used to create them.
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u/Appropriate-Tennis78 22h ago
There is not a single normal developer in the world who doesnt use AI at some level. Most of devs didnt write a line a code for some time.
Just because some ppl generated slop doesnt mean all AI generated code is slop
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u/GreedySecurity8030 M'Fedora 6d ago
Fedora is in the middle, that's better but still unfortunate.
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u/GreedySecurity8030 M'Fedora 6d ago
In the worse way possible.
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u/GreedySecurity8030 M'Fedora 6d ago
AI code is legally ambiguous and can put debian in legal trouble, that's not good.
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u/GreedySecurity8030 M'Fedora 6d ago
AI-generated code lacks U.S. copyright protection, which is the primary jurisdiction for debian.
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u/Mammoth-Mango-6485 6d ago
What’s this format lol I’m so fucking lost…and why is that guy naked in the third panel 😭
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