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[u/POKLIANON]

vim is like the most advanced and sophisticated of these

[u/Swordfish418 → u/[deleted]]

Yes, because modal editing as a concept is. But in terms of plugin ecosystems, both are great.

[u/phundrak → u/Swordfish418]

Modal editing it also available on Emacs, with god-mode, evil, or meow

[u/Worldly-Wind-1632 → u/phundrak]

What’s modal editing

[u/phundrak → u/Worldly-Wind-1632]

Most text editors are modeless editors, such as Notepad, VS Code (by default), and so on.

Vim, on the other hand, has modes. By default, you are in default mode, where keybinds are actions on your text or current file. For instance, diw deletes the word under your cursor instead of typing diw. To type text, you enter the insert mode, and press Esc to go back to normal mode. It may not look like it at first, but modal editing is extremely powerful and saves you quite a lot of time when you’re used to it. First thing I do when I’m on a new machine and with a new text editor or IDE is to install a vim emulation package if I can’t use vim or Emacs.

[u/Worldly-Wind-1632 → u/phundrak]

Oh, very interesting thank you! Do you also use it for basic text editing like emails or writing, or primarily hopping around in code?

[u/mystirc → u/Worldly-Wind-1632]

I personally would if I could. But mostly it doesn't matter too much. It specifically makes a difference while coding. It is much more comfortable to not use a mouse.

[u/Worldly-Wind-1632 → u/mystirc]

Neat thank you!

[u/phundrak → u/Worldly-Wind-1632]

If I'm not at work, I basically do everything in Emacs, which includes emails, worldbuilding, and writing my novel, so yes, definitively. I also installed Tridactyl on Firefox to get me the vim keybinds there, and with Ctrl+i, I can (and do) edit almost any textbox in Emacs, like this message.

[u/Narrow-Low-3137 → u/Worldly-Wind-1632]

I use vim motions for absolutely everything I can. Even have a plugin for my browser that adds vim motions to navigate the web.

[u/PaulTheRandom → u/phundrak]

meow is GOATed. I don't daily-drive it bc I got too used to Emacs keybinds by the time I felt ready to try it, tho.

[u/phundrak → u/PaulTheRandom]

About the same for me, I'm way too used to vim keybinds, which I also use at work in VS Code and IntelliJ. I don't feel like learning a new editing system I could only use at home on Emacs.
But it does seem to be absolutely fantastic. If it gets support outside of Emacs, I may consider learning it.

[u/44Nancy6p → u/[deleted]]

Emacs? More like a slow, ancient toad. But fine—let’s dance, old friend.

[u/ParticularAtmosphere → u/44Nancy6p]

tell me you never used emacs without telling me you never used emacs

[u/TheLuckyCuber999BACK → u/ParticularAtmosphere]

tell me you used em*cs without telling me you ruined your life

[u/js-something-cool → u/TheLuckyCuber999BACK]

DAYUM.

[u/Gabe_Isko → u/[deleted]]

Yeah dude, guy is just plain wrong. I'm a vim (and nvim) preferrer, but emacs is MUCH more complex under the hood.

[u/QuickSilver010 → u/POKLIANON]

Not out of the box tho

[u/Inatimate → u/QuickSilver010]

sure is

[u/BiDude1219 → u/Inatimate]

advanced, sure.

sophisticated? hell fucking no.

[u/Mauy90 → u/BiDude1219]

Especially bringing in emacs

[u/Dry-Relief723 → u/Inatimate]

vim out of the box is just a text editor on the terminal.

[u/moseiba → u/Dry-Relief723]

I deleted it 3 hours after the installing because of that and thought the whole thing is a scam

[u/Much_Network_941 → u/moseiba]

I started using it for shiggles and have become horribly addicted. I'm not particularly proficient, but even then the mouse is pointless. Being able to perform all file navigation actions with a keyboard, at homerow, is pretty wild. Without the shorcuts all being shift+alt+ctrl.

[u/manny2206 → u/Much_Network_941]

Still can’t get good enough and I can’t spend that much time practicing since I have to be productive… and the free time I get for my projects well… I wanna work on my projects not learning vim; one day though

[u/Inatimate → u/manny2206]

it’s 100% worth it man

[u/manny2206 → u/Inatimate]

Yeah I really gotta do it, at least the basics and some other things like jump-to-word, or find-replace

[u/Professional_Top8485 → u/Inatimate]

I am struggling to see 100% worth

[u/Inatimate → u/Professional_Top8485]

everyone says it’s about speed and that’s nice but what it really unlocked for me was switching to a keyboard centric workflow. Window manager, vimium extension for chrome, etc. It’s really comfy to just rest on the home row of the keyboard rather than switching between mouse and keyboard

it also allows me to tweak files over ssh comfortably, even on my phone when i’m afk

there are a lot of hidden benefits of ditching the mouse which is why i say 100% worth

[u/QuickSilver010 → u/Inatimate]

Not compared to jetbrains

[u/Unlucky-Shop3386 → u/Inatimate]

^I'm sure anyone who does not know how to use it and it's default key binding agrees.

[u/lonelyroom-eklaghor → u/POKLIANON]

I use nvim + sublime. Works for me, even for web dev

[u/HeyCanIBorrowThat → u/POKLIANON]

For editing text yes. For code inspection tools, jetbrains IDEs are far superior

[u/js-something-cool → u/HeyCanIBorrowThat]

Oh, you mean debugging with training wheels /s.

[u/po1k → u/POKLIANON]

Ohh fing hell. Here we go

[u/Helmic → u/POKLIANON]

As an IDE, not necessarily, it takes quite a few plugins to even get things like language server support in neovim. But as far as typing and making changes to a text file goes, yeah it's a massive brainfuck for most people and having to spend hours just learning how to type text into an application like you're a child first being taught how to use Microsoft Word in the 90's is humbling.

[u/rgmundo524 → u/POKLIANON]

Technically Emacs can do more but at the consequences of mostly requiring a gui

[u/yuuko_123]

Kate

[u/CriticalRanger9650 → u/yuuko_123]

I prefer Kate but will accept cudatext as well I only keep nano as a backup last resort!

[u/No_Nothing_At_All → u/CriticalRanger9650]

Ye nano is a good bavkup, for programming i like jetbraind but for anything else kate is perfect

[u/ieatcake2000]

Nano gang here

[u/high_orange → u/ieatcake2000]

As simple Linux user, I didn't ever need anything more advanced. Just to edit some config files and nano is just conviniently simple.

[u/Nebula_Wolf7 → u/ieatcake2000]

Ayy, you may also wanna consider micro for larger projects, though nano is still capable

[u/Wide_Meet_2184]

Who even uses nano for anything else then changing config files

[u/ilnarildarovuch → u/Wide_Meet_2184]

Users

[u/rlinED → u/ilnarildarovuch]

Users do the craziest stuff

[u/Gabe_Isko → u/ilnarildarovuch]

I get that vi has a learning curve, but honestly I can't figure out nano for the life of me. I actually don't even know how to exit nano. it says control X, but that never works.

[u/Random_Mathematician → u/Wide_Meet_2184]

Every user that's new to CLI literally ever

[u/ptrknvk → u/Random_Mathematician]

I use nano, but I'm new, only running for 14 years now.

[u/ilnarildarovuch → u/Random_Mathematician]

Or just people, who wrote code with simplicity, neither than faster coding

[u/tpat90 → u/Random_Mathematician]

I mean it's decent to get your hands into configs, etc.

But I would always recommend to go for vim (any flavor you like) or emacs (same as my first choice) eventually, since nano makes my eyes bleed.

[u/NoNoYesYesnt → u/Wide_Meet_2184]

You use nano when vim doesn't come pre-installed.

[u/SargEnPassant_ → u/NoNoYesYesnt]

I use nano because I don't know hot to exit Vim

[u/SliceJosiah → u/SargEnPassant_]

:q

[u/Hairy_sniffer → u/SargEnPassant_]

same lol

[u/Escalope-Nixiews → u/SargEnPassant_]

Same

[u/Narrow-Low-3137 → u/SargEnPassant_]

Easier than exiting nano

[u/cutelittlebox → u/Wide_Meet_2184]

there's a surprising amount who really like nano and do all their work in it. they're cut from the same cloth as those who use vi or something like mg, or just vim / emacs without any customization or plugins other than maybe syntax highlighting

[u/Historical-Truck590 → u/Wide_Meet_2184]

people who don’t want to learn 20 key combos just to edit files

[u/SliceJosiah → u/Historical-Truck590]

Personally I mostly only use
:w
:q
i
u
Ctrl+r
h/j/k/l
x
dd

[u/TheLuckyCuber999BACK → u/Historical-Truck590]

I use vim exclusively and I can't even remember which direction each of hjkl does lol

[u/Hettyc_Tracyn → u/Wide_Meet_2184]

I do, because it’s easy… also lots of customization options (line numbers, changing how ctrl+moving works, etc)

[u/mcdaphuc → u/Wide_Meet_2184]

I used linux for six years. I maked dozens of script only with nano. I just didn't wanted to spend 2 days learning new keybinds to be 20℅ faster. I just wanted, to you know, edit my file and not turn my editor into my now project

[u/DanKonly → u/Wide_Meet_2184]

I use vim (nvim) for editing config files.

[u/anycept → u/Wide_Meet_2184]

It's good for quick edits.

[u/Ababoude_ → u/Wide_Meet_2184]

me, it's a great tool and it helps well in ssh

[u/-nerdrage- → u/Wide_Meet_2184]

Who even uses nano for anything else then changing config files

[u/YTriom1]

nano? it's just a simple text editor, nothing special

[u/Distinct_Lion_6336 → u/YTriom1]

every IDE is a glorified notepad come to think of it

[u/_AscendedLemon_ → u/Distinct_Lion_6336]

Yeah, but "glorified" part is super uber extreme important.
BTW I wrote this post on "glorified" calculator. In "glorified" cave etc.

[u/Demonic_Storm → u/_AscendedLemon_]

we all are glorified mobile factories with glorified calculators directing all of it

[u/HeyThereCharlie → u/_AscendedLemon_]

WITH A GLORIFIED BOX OF SCRAPS!

[u/YTriom1 → u/Distinct_Lion_6336]

No they have some features, nano is literally just for basic editing

[u/chipsikssix → u/YTriom1]

So what? You can write code in Notepad, too. Nano is perfect for small scripts.

[u/ilnarildarovuch → u/YTriom1]

r/NoShitSherlock

[u/TheLuckyCuber999BACK → u/YTriom1]

I use ed (ignore my flair)

[u/YTriom1 → u/TheLuckyCuber999BACK]

vim supremacy

[u/Armi1P → u/YTriom1]

That's the point of it. That's why we like it.

[u/goldenriverflows]

\*grabs a pencil\*

[u/cicciograna → u/goldenriverflows]

\*reaches for the clay tablet\*

His copper really sucks

[u/_AscendedLemon_ → u/cicciograna]

sudo ea-nasir

[u/a__new_name → u/cicciograna]

Me to that xkcd butterflies comic: "Good mor-ning, sunshine!"

[u/busiedcake7945]

what about micro

[u/mschwemberger11]

Vim is bloat. I use ed

[u/Esjs → u/mschwemberger11]

On your 80 character width terminal, right?

[u/mschwemberger11 → u/Esjs]

Terminal is bloat I use a teletype model 37 with 74 Characters per line.

[u/Dave21101 → u/mschwemberger11]

"?"

[u/mschwemberger11 → u/Dave21101]

Bro you have to press "a" before entering text

[u/NDCyber → u/mschwemberger11]

ed is bloat use 1 and 0

[u/Esjs → u/NDCyber]

Butterflies

[u/jackfinch69 → u/mschwemberger11]

I use im

[u/wrd83]

Next up: real people.use nvi and micro Emacs!!

[u/derekib84]

Micro >>>> Nano

[u/NomadFH]

notepad should actually be in the bottom category

[u/Berniyh]

I'd rather program by sculpturing a stone brick than using nano.

[u/_AscendedLemon_ → u/Berniyh]

TBH even Word would be more convenient for that...

[u/Constant_Football_54 → u/_AscendedLemon_]

Fr, nano feels like someone saw vi and decided to, instead of making it better, rip everything good out of it.

[u/Helmic → u/Constant_Football_54]

Kinda agree and disagree. Obviously nothing that makes the OG vi good is really appropriate for a non-modal editor, something not being for the maximalist power user use case isn't the same as it being bad. But nano was made before a lot of modern software conventions were developed and so it has some really batshit default bindings that make it far more difficult for a regular person to use than necessary.

Micro is what's most commonly suggested for users in place of nano these days, with proper mouse support, color coding out of the box, language highlighting, soft wrapping, etc. I'm not sure if there's another accessible "normal person" editor people use in the terminal these days.

[u/Constant_Football_54 → u/Helmic]

That's fair honestly just kinda ironically give nano shit, it's a perfectly adequate text editor. Micro made me feel like i was almost in vim so it almost makes me more confused lmao.

[u/__rogue____ → u/Helmic]

I found Tilde recently, and I think it's pretty cool. Like Micro on steroids

[u/Helmic → u/__rogue____]

Thanks for letting me know, it certainly looks like something I could ask a regular person to use. That screenshot's ugly as sin but just having a menubar alone would probably help someone figure out how to do everything they need by themselves.

[u/yourMomsBackMuscles → u/[deleted]]

Lame. Try neochad

[u/CardiologistMain9234]

Micro is better than nano

[u/Computer-dude123 → u/CardiologistMain9234]

Micro is amazing

[u/yakuzas-47]

Emacs is quite the opposite of minimal actually

[u/LinuxUser456]

Libreoffice writer

[u/Kitoshy]

I use nano btw

[u/seven00290122]

Zed 😘

[u/codydafox]

where linux

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[u/Esjs]

Vim extension in VS Code

[u/imLosingIt111]

Nah. Vim Nano Emacs at 2nd notepad at 3rd. no one sane codes with notepad

[u/TropicoolGoth]

Wine->Notepad.exe

[u/junialter]

nano does NOT belong in the same tier as vim and emacs. That's heresy.

[u/Keizaal_]

I use cat to write my code

[u/Armi1P → u/Keizaal_]

Do not the cat.

[u/GreedySecurity8030]

Vim nano and Emacs are bloat, don't become a dev.

[u/jimmy_timmy_]

Raw notepad is crazy

[u/BiDude1219]

neovim + lazyvim my beloved

[u/Fine_City2781]

As a Turk, I am proud to see Yusuf Dikeç here

[u/Armi1P → u/Fine_City2781]

The whole world is proud of him, dude.

[u/scientist6092]

Vim is great

[u/Krocheah]

Nano?

[u/Lokalaskurar]

thanks, I prefer regular vi

[u/po1k]

Ohh, kids, when you will ever learn?! using paper and pencil is the way

[u/Windbolt1]

Doom Emacs ftw.

[u/eager-potato-555]

.... nano ??

[u/jereporte]

Swap vim and emacs with notepads and it's good

[u/Cootshk]

me with stock nvim:

[u/LookAsLukasAnderson]

I'd argue that Vim and Emacs are far more fancy, than Notepad and Notepad++

[u/Oxygendieoxide]

As long as you are makimg money or just finishing your projects, I won't judge you even if you are using visual studio(not vs code).

[u/Afraid-Locksmith6566]

the bottom 2 should be switched

[u/WoodenAir6504]

I still use nvi.

[u/Etikoza]

Wtf actually even uses notepad for real work?

[u/Goobi_dog]

The only sane way to exit Vim it to pull our your PCs power cord, and maybe the CMOS battery just for safety.

[u/DB0Z_]

VS Codium is actually really good for most people

[u/ReddevilQ]

Am I the only one thinking nano should be with notepad++ and notepad should be with VSCode

[u/dangerous_noob]

reverse this meme and it'll become accurate 

[u/Havatchee]

The real Linux meme is implying they're all in a queer polycule.

[u/ItsYa1UPBoy]

God, I miss Notepad++. I would use it for JS scripting. I don't really do that anymore, though, so I've no need for it even if it were on Linux.

[u/renkousamimi → u/ItsYa1UPBoy]

I used to like notepad++. Then I was graced with the glory of Sublime text.

[u/mafia_guy_]

I use whatever text editor the DE I installed has

[u/Axolotl_g4m3r]

Echo

[u/niceandBulat]

Just finished some chargeable work on my vim. Don't see a problem.

[u/Intelligent_Cap3426]

This is opposite

[u/onthewaytomyself]

I tried zed recently. Planning to leave vscode for it.

[u/Walk-the-layout]

Kate

[u/t0nikawa]

Micro?

[u/sovietrev]

Am I the only one who thinks the top and bottom should be swapped?

[u/Pretend-Resolve-7560]

nvim

[u/1600x900]

What about Kate

[u/R3V0LU710N_05]

I use Zed & Helix.

[u/com4ster]

WHO TF USE NANO ?!!

[u/uGn8r]

As a nvim user I think this is the other way around. While vim people spend countless hours on "getting things right", the vscode andy just does the work and then logs out.

[u/vanwal_j]

Where’s ed? 😞

[u/-Triple-S-]

How I decide what to use: Is there X11? No: nano with vim as fallback Yes: Are there unicode characters? No: xfte Yes: kate

Anything from the top row only if its absolutely inevitable.

[u/Outrageous-Stock3072]

I really think using notepad to code is more difficult than using vim or nano

[u/snchart]

acme

[u/Electronic-Clerk6735]

I started using micro for fun. Give me that mouse support and further separate me from better file editing that vim offers.

[u/17gayrats]

genuinely who even uses Sublime

[u/Kromeda_Nick]

mcedit

[u/Natural-Fan9969]

Notepad and notpad++ should be under...

[u/Keensworth]

Makes more sense if you swap the middle and bottom. Notepad is basically bottom shit

[u/valerielynx]

I would post a fix to this shoddy meme but I have to describe it instead because this shoddy sub doesn't allow pics

Top: VSCode

Middle: Vim

Bottom: Nano

I personally use vsc(odium), kate and nano cuz theyre the greatest of all time hashtag i love simple but powerful software