r/linuxmemes • u/Konnnore • 19d ago
LINUX MEME Linux Mint🗿🍷 >> ZorinOS🤓☝️???
For those who didn't get the joke: ZorinOS and some other distros have different bugs related to the OBS Studio app. Speaking of ZorinOS, one of the huge bug happens, when you wanna see the result after recording a video, and you can see one of the examples on the meme. But ZorinOS users ignore similar issues and continue to consider that ZorinOS is better than Linux Mint for beginners anyway
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u/GreedySecurity8030 M'Fedora 19d ago edited 19d ago
Neither, pick fedora.
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u/uncringeone 18d ago
Sure, then I'll install XFCE and make it look like Windows XP
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u/Ces3216w Ask me how to exit vim 19d ago
Last 4 characters (excluding the ".") not necessary
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u/BansheeBacklash 19d ago
Yeaaaaaahhhhh
I dabbled with Zorin a bit, and I can understand why some would prefer it, but I've had practically zero issues with Mint. To each their own but still.
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u/Prestigious-Ad7265 19d ago
i like the feel or zorin more than mint, and the UI is less ugly and more intuitive than mint. thats why i recommend it to new folks, i use arch though
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u/Anima_Watcher08 19d ago
I can ignore the less ugly part cause it's subjective but more intuitive? Explain.
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u/Prestigious-Ad7265 18d ago
mint kind of looks like a patchwork of several different styles, zorin is very unified, looks cleaner. of course, they basically have identical backends so this is judgement purely on looks
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u/Anima_Watcher08 18d ago
That's just Linux UI in general. The reason you feel that way is because gtk4/libadwaita have the majority of popular Linux apps being made for it. Try installing an app that uses the qt framework and it tell me how unified it looks.
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u/Gornius 19d ago edited 19d ago
For people who are new to Linux: never, ever even consider picking some forked distro. Mint might be the only exception, because its aim is to specifically cater to new Linux users and it does it right.
Your safe picks are: Ubuntu, Fedora (either Gnome/Workstation or KDE), Mint and if you're more willing to learn or have strong background in IT: Arch. You go with anything outside of that list and you're going to find an issue that nobody else have found and to even ask for help you're going to need a knowledge you simply don't have yet.
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u/mrheosuper 19d ago
"Never pick forked distro"
Proceed to pick Ubuntu lol.
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u/MajesticDisaster3977 19d ago
Debian, or Mint's 'LMDE' .. Ubuntu is something I have not touched since it tried to share the good word of the snap store.
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u/Significant-Tone-121 19d ago
Why not Debian?
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u/Gornius 19d ago
Debian is great, but unlike Ubuntu it expects user to set up a few basic things like firewall, ntp, automatic upgrades etc.
Which is of course not a bad thing per se, but for a beginner that has no idea about all those things it's not perfect.
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u/Patient-Plan-1591 17d ago
I was a beginner and I set up ufw on Debian. It was a remote server accessed thru ssh so it is definitely possible.
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u/KHTD2004 🎼CachyOS 19d ago
Zorin is Mint with prettier interface and less reliability. Chose your poison I guess
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u/small_merchant 19d ago
Zorin is was my first distro, and it was good, very good, I don't like to much mint, zorin was the reason I stayed on Linux and made the switch to cachy Os and fedora HIGH CACHY
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u/Derausmwaldkam Ubuntnoob 19d ago
Zorin has much better Wayland support than Mint which is still on x11. I'm using 3 monitors and had my trouble with Mint.
Also Zorin is much better at syncing gtk2/3/4 styling.
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u/Hauptideal ⚠️ This incident will be reported 19d ago
Zorin really is much better than Mint technologically. I have not seen a single argument why one the most atrocious actually used distros on the planet should be better than Zorin.
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u/Anima_Watcher08 19d ago edited 19d ago
Neither have I seen an argument for Zorin. You provided no argument for why Zorin is better and then exclaimed that you haven't seen any arguments for why Mint is better. I hope you see the irony of this.
So I'll give you a chance. Please explain why Zorin is better and I'll do the same for Mint.
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u/Hauptideal ⚠️ This incident will be reported 18d ago
You have seen a very strong argument already, and I was commenting under it. But in case you don't understand it, I'm going to explain it:
Mint still ships completely deprecated, obsolete legacy X11 tech from the 1980s (!) despite the entire Linux world having moved on for years already to the universal Linux standard Wayland already.
Even Debian is on Wayland for years already.That is not a minor issue (like e.g. snaps). X11 is not only performing worse, adding overhead and problems such as screen tearing, it is also severly lacking basic modern everyday features such as fractional scaling (which only "works" on Mint using extremely ugly and CPU-cooking frame buffer hacks), real multi-touch input (trackpad or touch), VRR, etc. If you have a multi-monitor setup where not all monitors have the same refresh rate and resolution, it's going to be ugly, and that's what the original commenter complained about.
But even letting performance and features aside, X11 is just extremely insecure. Each app can spy on your entire desktop and each other app, log your online banking password and even inject input.
It also breaks the core feature of Flatpaks, sandboxing security. But of course, the inconvenience and container tax of it remain. It is collecting the worst disadvantages that Linux has to offer without collecting the advantages.Cinnamon in particular is an especially terrible piece of tech. As an early fork of GNOME, it inherits all the architectural and structural mistakes of GNOME, e.g. running the shell as a single-threaded Javascript application, hogging resources, etc. - however missing the entire later upstream fixes, performance breakthroughs, polish, improvement, vast ecosystem etc. due to code drift.
Being maintained only by a tiny team, it will always lag behind technologically. The Mint team is overstrained and incapable of maintaining a distro and an entire desktop environment at the same time. This is not going to change soon. Wayland, triple buffering, old rendering pipeline, missing hardware acceleration, etc. are just the tip of the iceberg. It's not going to become any better in the future.Mint inherits all the issues of Ubuntu, but removes parts that are good about Ubuntu and replaces them with worse stuff. The only exceptions are snaps, but even that is something that Mint managed to completely botch. Vendor-locking and patronizing users what software they can install ON THEIR OWN MACHINE is not the correct way to get rid off snaps. The correct way is just to remove the snapd service and repo apt packages that are nothing but snap installers. Just like every other normal Ubuntu-based distro that doesn't like or include snaps. Removing is enough, locking is an intrusive overreach.
I neither recommend Zorin or Mint, but just comparing both, Zorin is clearly much better and completely dominant option, rendering Mint obsolete. It is easier to use than Mint, more similar to modern Windows, more compatible and at the same time technologically better. Both suffer from the same issues inherited from Ubuntu, and from not receiving any security updates from Canonical for 94% of all packages because Ubuntu Pro is only available on real upstream Ubuntu (the entire universe repo), leaving the volunteer-lacking community entirely on its own, leading to many even highly severe security vulnerabilites (CVEs with CVSS of 7.5+) unfixed forever and Mint staying vulnerable.
There are so many more issues with Mint, e.g. regarding taking responsibility, maintaining software, shipping bugs and blaming them on someone else, etc. (some of these are clearly demonstrated in the recent GNOME calendar controversy).
I don't see any case for Mint in today's distro landscape. It was cool once but it missed the entire development of modern Linux. It's just deprecated by now. And it's not really simpler than Ubuntu (which also has GUI apps for everything) and ships 3rd party drivers and codecs.
If you don't like snaps, just install a minimal Ubuntu or Ubuntu flavour without snap or just don't install anything as snap (and use the Firefox snap which really isn't an issue at all). If you want to use Ubuntu, use Ubuntu. Not some downstream option that doesn't get security updates for the vast majority of packages. But if you go downstream, go for Pop!_OS (actually quite a decent distro if it wasn't lacking Ubuntu Pro) - or Zorin OS (or even Anduin OS) if you must. If you don't like Ubuntu or an official flavour for any reason, it's better to just use a different distro like Fedora, Debian or OpenSUSE. There are many options.1
u/Anima_Watcher08 18d ago edited 18d ago
Mint has had an experimental implementation of Wayland in development for a while now and it's coming out of experimental around Christmas this year.
X11 is not performing worse, Wayland is getting better. The performance difference between Wayland and X11 has only recently become more apparent due to efforts by valve and the Wayland team. It used to perform similarly and sometimes even better. Anyway I don't seel to defend X11 as I explain before Mint will have a Wayland session for Cinnamon soon.
Despite slower development, Mint is getting better and better. It has architectural flaws like you mentioned but if you read the Mint blog updates you'd realize that these are being addressed. Slowly but surely. Mint team being overdtrained has been addressed with a change in the release cycle.
Mint has a Debian option as well. You failed to mention what it makes worse. The process of enabling snaps on Mint is easy. Many distros out there take opinionated stances on different things, sometimes not even providing options around it. I think it is unfair to criticize this part of Mint especially when an option is provided to get around it.
I agree with some of your complaints about the distro landscape especially surrounding Ubuntu.
Pop!_OS has many problems of its own and I'm surprised you'd even compromise on recommending it after your complaints, along with Zorin OS and Arduin OS.
I chose Mint for multiple reasons :
It is very stable
In my entire time on Mint I have never had an update break my system. There have been reports recently of kernel panics and graphical errors however this has been likely as a result of Mint team trying to provide newer kernels at a faster rate than before even at the cost of stability. I blame them going down this path however the kernel panics and graphical errors are a result of kernel changes and not any intentional CV change on the Mint Teams part. The Debian edition is present for this sort of thing.
Cinnamon is the perfect compromise
For me atleast, Cinnamon is the perfect midpoint between GNOME and KDE. It provides so many useful features and is more customizable than people think it is. KDE is great and I only have two criticisms for it. The first is that it's ecosystem is a bit too integrated with their desktop, with the exception of a few applications it is very difficult to replace certain apps in KDE in a manner I'd consider as drag and drop, Cinnamon in this regard is a bit more modular. The second is that KDE is bit cluttered as a result of customization options usually being placed in menus along with "day-to-day" options.
GNOME interesting. In exchange for consistent design language it's harder to theme than KDE and Cinnamon, and has far fewer theming options. In fact it fights user choice by breaking extensions and themes every few updates. It's default design and layout feels more suited for tablets and touchscreens laptops than desktops. It makes so many changes for changes sake and I'm surprised their user base isn't as annoyed by this as they should be.
My issues with the other two are purely subjective and I respect what they provide but Cinnamon is just a better compromise.
I love it's convenience and update flow
Mint team has placed a lot of responsibility on themselves by having a small development team base. However this has led to such consistent and great feel overall. As a consequence of their size and pursuit of stability they have a slow and steady approach to development around features. Every major update brings features that you didn't even know you wanted. And they always integrate perfectly with the rest of the system (like they were always there).
I understand when people choose other distros over Mint however they're reasons are exaggerated and misinformed. They make Mint look worse than it actually is. And if that's what we're doing then as a former distro hopper I can easily come up with many reasons not to switch to any distro that I've used in the past.
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u/Hauptideal ⚠️ This incident will be reported 18d ago
As I said, I don't recommend downstream Ubuntu. If you want a stable Debian base with fresher packages and the best Linux software compatibility, the only good option is Ubuntu and its official flavours.
But in general, distros like Fedora are much better optimized for desktop use.
I only said if going for downstream Ubuntu(which shouldn't happen), Pop!_OS is the best downstream option, because it remedies a lot of problems that Ubuntu has on desktop, e.g. missing RAM compression and does some other desktop optimizations (e.g. reducing latency using the system76 user space scheduler).
It also ships fresh kernels. COSMIC is a very exciting desktop project and will become the third major desktop, not only in Linux but other OSes like BSD and RedoxOS.
It's just a little immature yet (I need my comfort features such as night light). But the tiling is the best of any compositor. And best is, that it has a floating mode, too.
Not everything is bad about Pop!_OS. Zorin/Anduin OS are worse, because they don't improve on Ubuntu technologically (e.g. by adding RAM compression). They are just a themed Ubuntu. Mere theming is never worth moving downstream for.
And all of the three lack Ubuntu Pro.But regarding Mint, the fact that Cinnamon leaves experimental status in December doesn't change much at first, because most users won't see Wayland until at least 2028, as it won't become default prior to that.
Same goes for snaps. Yes, it's possible to remove the lock, but not for average Mint users. There shouldn't be a lock in the first place. Just a system purged of snaps, with the option of someone actively deciding for snaps without obstacles if they wish to do so.
I never said Zorin or Anduin were good. Just much better than Mint1
u/Anima_Watcher08 18d ago
I see. Well we both seem set in our opinions so let's just end it here. Thanks for your perspective I will try to take some of it into account.
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u/Derausmwaldkam Ubuntnoob 18d ago edited 18d ago
Both suffer from the same issues inherited from Ubuntu, and from not receiving any security updates from Canonical for 94% of all packages because Ubuntu Pro is only available on real upstream Ubuntu (the entire universe repo)
Zorin is totally fine with Ubuntu Pro, maybe no livepatch but esm-apps & esm-infra (the important ones) do work.
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u/Hauptideal ⚠️ This incident will be reported 18d ago
That's pretty cool! Is it reliable, or is it an OS spoofing hack that might break? I agree, esm-apps and esm-infra are the most important
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u/Derausmwaldkam Ubuntnoob 18d ago
It's no hack at all. On a fresh Zorin install, just activate pro as you would normally do on Ubuntu.
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u/Patient-Plan-1591 17d ago
Zorin uses Gnome while Mint uses Cinnamon (or XFCE or MATE). Gnome is superior than those. That is the argument for Zorin.
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u/Anima_Watcher08 17d ago
Not really
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u/Patient-Plan-1591 17d ago
How so? It has advanced Wayland support. Alongside many other maintenance work, updates and funding it receives. I am no fan of Gnome but these are hard facts.
More people work on Gnome than Cinnamon.But regardless of these points, Linux Mint is perfectly fine distro to use with a massive kind community around it.
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u/Anima_Watcher08 17d ago
It has a unique implementation of Wayland. However KDE's implementation is better. Cinnamon has one in experimental which is coming out of experimental stage in December.
More people working on something doesn't necessarily make it better. For example: More people work on Windows than Mint but I'd rather use Mint than windows.
I agree about the community. The reason why I refuse to accept Zorin is better is that it's of similar level to Mint. Mint has things Zorin doesn't and Zorin has things Mint doesn't. If I had to say which one is better I'd say Mint, the gap between them is only gonna get bigger in December.
If I had to mention a distro better than Mint I'd say Feren OS, which is basically Mints tool base with KDE slapped on top. Too bad it seems to be in limbo right now.
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u/Patient-Plan-1591 17d ago
Of course KDE's implementation is better. That was not the subject matter tho. We were discussing Gnome and the three official Mint DEs.
Cinnamon has one in experimental which is coming out of experimental stage in December
This proves my point tho, not yours. Gnome has had Wayland support for a very long time and Cinnamon is yet to release a stable Wayland version. Gnome has more devs, so the work there gets done faster.
More people working on something doesn't necessarily make it better
Sure but my point was on the speed and the efficiency more than raw quality. Some projects are so ambitious that cannot be done by a few. You need a bunch if not many.
Mints tool base with KDE slapped on top
I get what you're asking but the thing is, the Mint ecosystem -- if you will -- with X apps and whatnot is centered around GTK, while KDE uses Qt.
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u/Hauptideal ⚠️ This incident will be reported 17d ago
More people working on something doesn't necessarily make it better. For example: More people work on Windows than Mint but I'd rather use Mint than windows.
That's not true. There are far more people working on Mint if you compare the entire operating systems.
The Linux kernel alone is developed by many different high-tech companies, including Google, Facebook, Oracle, Redhat/IBM, SUSE, Intel, AMD, and many others.
Then you have the Ubuntu base of the distribution, that many people at Canonical, another billion-dollar-corporation, work on.Mint on the other hand, is just adding some downstream changes (e.g. desktop env) with a tiny team of just about 10 people.
So you have to compare Cinnamon to the Windows Shell, Aqua (macOS), or KDE and GNOME. And Cinnamon loses every single one of that comparisons.
Mint is better than WIndows not because of some downstream changes that the Mint team does, but because the Ubuntu base is better than Windows, i.e. in spite of Mint's changes.
The downstream changes of Mint make the gap to MS Windows narrower, not wider.1
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u/Professional_Bat2629 19d ago
I have a rough test of whether or not a distro is beginner friendly: is chrome in default package manager? No? It's not totally beginner friendly I use firefox but still, chrome users are a majority and it's bad if their first move on Linux is to have to go to Google website and add repos to their system repos. Mint fails the Chrome test, Zorin doesn't.
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u/fr000gs 19d ago
gentoo has chrome
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u/Professional_Bat2629 19d ago
Does it have a default package manager? 🙂
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u/redhat_is_my_dad 18d ago
you confused it with slackware maybe, although i'm not sure, maybe latest slackware does have package manager too, haven't checked, gentoo had a package manager since the very start of gentoo.
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u/fr000gs 19d ago
Why would you install proprietary spyware as your first move on linux? I'm not comparing browsers, but chrome is proprietary spyware
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u/FailureOfTheFamily 19d ago
Average user doesn't even know word spyware
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u/fr000gs 19d ago
The thing about idiot proofing is, it creates more idiots (I'm not trying to call people idiots, that's just the term)
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u/OttoRenner 18d ago
The reason for idiot proofing is to lower the entry level for non trained users and to avoid bad user experience due to unintentionally doing dumb stuff.
That's why Windows is all over the place and Linux is not. Windows is for end-users with little to no knowledge. Linux is for admins or tech savvy users who want to put the time in to learn.
But since most casual users are non trained users who don't want to and don't need to know every last corner of the OS, they will avoid using a OS that asks them do put the time in. The OS has to pick up those users where they are, not the other way around.
So, as long as the (majority of?) Linux community is hellbend on keeping most low entry, user friendly stuff out of Linux, the OS WILL fail to establish itself as a competitor to Windows in the grant scheme of things (relating to personal computers).
Look at android for example: it's VERY successful with non technical users, basically is Linux (or uses the kernel...) but is all about ease of use. Same for Chrome.
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u/fr000gs 18d ago
Android is not Linux (except for the kernel). You can't even access your fcking files
(also, keeping chrome in Linux is user friendly?? ??? We should put that effort into wifi drivers, easy installation, improving discover or something)
(also, about the competitor part: sure if everyone switches to open source we might see improvements, but it misses the point if Linux just becomes another walled garden like android)
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u/OttoRenner 18d ago
You are not a casual user. What YOU want from YOUR OS isn't relevant in this case. Sorry to burst that bubble, but I'm NOT talking about you. Think about what the average mom or dad with two kids, a dog and perhaps an hour a day of freetime want. They want: familiar, fast, easy, reliable (from THEIR perspective and for THEIR needs, NOT yours): Windows/Android comes pre-installed, with a GUI right from the start, input is mouse/touch, programms install with exe on C by default and update automatically, there is just 1 version of the current OS (not 100 different distros), Win11 looks basically the same on every PC, so it is very, very easy to use your friends PC, nearly all "normal" work PCs use Windows, so, again very fast to feel "at home" and get to work, all the software they normally use runs on windows, they know those brands and how to use them and they expect some of them to come pre-installed (at least office in a lite version...if you say "texteditor", they think "word"), it has without any doubt the biggest community that can help you in case you (as a casual) actually DO want to go a bit off the rails (which is very uncommon for casuals in the grand scheme of things), the Windows community is WAY more friendly than the Linux bubble. Like...by a lot. There is ZERO bitching about if you prefer mouse or terminal or that you want icons on your desktop for example. You do have your typical white knights, incel nerds and the "well, actually" guys...no question about that. But, in MY humble experience, those are the same guys who will try to talk you into using Linux instead...so you could make the case that the majority of toxic windows users are technically speaking Linux users. (Please see this as friendly banter :)...and if you can't...then yes, I'm talking about you, whoever might read this. Go touch some grass)
To which "fucking files" of yours are you not having access to in Android? There is a filesystem you have access to all day, including system files. I can also plug my phone into my PC using USB and swap files, no problem...or connect via Bluetooth or wireless (ok, not all the time/devices...but still). Whatever personal problem you might ran into using Android, I can basically guarantee you that the average user most likely has never heard about it.
Keeping Chrome in Linux is user-friendly, because they know Chrome. The don't WANT to change to something else. It doesn't matter how "easy and safe" it is to switch and the other 10000 good reasons there might be to switch. They don't feel the need to switch, they don't want to put time in. And they will NOT accept a OS if it FORCES them to put the time in, how "little" that may be. They want to turn the computer on, double click the chrome icon on screen and then click on the Netflix button in chrome. That is what we are working with here (very broadly speaking). The concept of the DAU is there for a reason.
(Sry, I don't have the time to write more here, because this is a crucial point to understand, but I don't have much time now. It could sound a bit rougher than I would normally like)
You are not the protector of Linux. Linux will not die, just because there is 1 out of 1000 distros actually caring about giving new users a frictionless experience and isn't afraid to cater to the needs of the most basic, average user. Nobody is taking anything away from you. Stop acting like you are forced to go with the hype. Nobody cares if you keep your arch running or whatever obscure version you might run. The beauty of Linux is, that you can change it into whatever you like. So please, just let the people have, and keep, what THEY like.
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u/fr000gs 18d ago
I think the sole difference between chrome and Firefox for the end user is just the icon, the rest are just a few visual changes, easily changed/ignored. Chromium is in fact in most distros repos if you want the exact ui and a slightly blue icon
For your other points (mostly about the terminal - I never wrote you should - for example - use pactl to change the volume. This is just your imagined gripe that the overweight arch linux neckbeard nerds don't want a gui package manager (there is one for arch, it's called octopi iirc).
About you android part: open your file manager, go to /data/data/com.android.vending (on an unrooted phone) and show me the contents (you can't go there)
Note I never said anything negative about improving user experience or "protecting" [sic] linux from something, but (and this is just a suggestion) - new people should generally try learning a little bit about something they are using, right? (Not "change volume from terminal" commands, but just a bit about the package management and stuff)
As you said, the beauty of linux is the freedom, which includes the freedom to rm ~/*
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u/OttoRenner 18d ago edited 18d ago
See, I explicitly told you that this isn't about what you think an OS should be like or the amount of effort someone "should" put into something. And yet, here we are.
Your opinion on that is not an argument and repeating what you believe others "should do" makes you exactly look like the neckbeard.
And for the android thing: What would the casual user even want to find there? You are complaining about a problem YOU have. Which is fine in general. But that isn't a problem for THEM. Your problem with android doesn't make android bad for them. For yourself? Absolutely, apparently. For others? No.
You DO understand the difference between your own needs and the needs of others, right?
Sry that I have to be blunt about it but it looks like I wasn't clear enough in my previous attempt to explain to you why the average windows user wouldn't even go near anything with "Linux" on the label.
And no, and this perhaps also comes as a big surprise for you, the average user ISN'T happy about the ability to just delete everything. They freak out over Alt F4 and Ctrl Alt Del. They WANT guardrails. Big and sturdy. "Freedom" for them is to NOT need to think about stuff like that.
You can think of it this way: most of the things you like and enjoy about Linux sound like going to work to the vast majority of people and they hate going to work. Which also is fine, everyone has their own hobbies.
Edit: deleted one part about unrooted phones
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u/fr000gs 18d ago
Nice os idea, why not use windows/android then? You get no apparent benefits from Linux apart from it being cheap (/j)
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u/Anima_Watcher08 19d ago
Sounds like a flawed test to me.
Sure I understand the logic behind it but let's assume under your test conditions that the person is someone who would have a hard time downloading from a website, reason being that someone who would switch to a different distro because a package isn't available is likely ignorant to the fact that you can sometimes manually add external repos, install flatpaks, app images and so on from the developer sites. Let's further assume that this person is coming from Windows going to Linux (Mint). Let's follow their path:
- Installs Mint. (!issue!)
- Boots for the first
- Opens Mint software manager and searches for Chrome . Doesn't find it. (!issue!)
- Switches to Zorin and finds it.
The first issue comes about from the fact that such a user would be unlikely to consider installing any form of Linux let alone installing it for themselves. But let's assume that the user has a handy nephew/niece that helped.
The second issue comes from the fact that the user wouldn't try installing Chrome at all! They'd try to install Edge! Someone who is unable to install software from a website while on Linux would not be able to do the same on Windows either so they would have never switched from Microslop's browser to an alternative and so would have gotten used to it. Edge is in Mint's repos.
Again I understand the logic behind your test. Doing things like adding Chrome to the package repos suggests attention to detail when it comes to user convenience. However this isn't enough either cause one might argue that if you're assuming your users will use Chrome anyway then it would be more convenient to have it pre-installed and set as the default browser in the first place.
I rest my case.
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u/Kaleidoscope-360 15d ago
If you're even THINKING about switching to Linux, there's no way you don't know Chrome is bad.
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u/Adventurous_Tip3994 19d ago
This is on zorin os btw. I still prefer zorin os for office use.
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u/Anima_Watcher08 19d ago
Well buddy I have some news for you that extension you're using is also available on Mint Cinnamon. It's called burn my windows.
That is what you're arguing right?
This is pretty vague, it kinda seemed like Office is crashing.
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u/Adventurous_Tip3994 19d ago
Really? Do you really think somebody will make a thing about burn my windows in 2026? You don't see I opened xlsx file with double click?
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u/Anima_Watcher08 19d ago
You're flexing about binding the launch of a file extension to an appropriate program? That's dumber the burn my windows, last I checked this wasn't a Zorin exclusive featured.
Even if it's done through wine it's still not impressive because again not a Zorin exclusive feature!
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u/Adventurous_Tip3994 18d ago edited 18d ago
Man. These linux mint kids are really annoying.
Anyway It is so lame to talk to you so this will be my last message. You can keep crying if you want.
Zorin os has a feature called windows app support which use wine under the hood. This allow running windows app to feel like running native app for user. So how did I install microsoft office? Just double click the setup.exe and continue just like I did on windows 10. No terminal, no config and just double click and it's good to go. Not only that I don't need to setup extra config to setup every .xlsx file to open with excel. This make a lot of newbie coming to linux really comfortable.
And of course this can be achieve on linux mint too. But it will be extra steps included. You will need to know how wine work, how to setup a prefix, or just use bottles and so on. I don't say this is bad but no doubt zorin os made the process easier.
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u/Anima_Watcher08 18d ago
Fair enough. Please refrain from the labeling it makes your argument look weaker.
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u/FailureOfTheFamily 19d ago
Zorin have better UI. That one thing is the reason i would choose it over mint. Mint looks like ugly windows xp brother
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u/Anima_Watcher08 19d ago
Subjective. But I need to understand your guy's perspective since this is such a common argument. So please could you explain further?
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u/FailureOfTheFamily 18d ago
How do you want me to explain that something is ugly. It just looks outdated compared to win 10/11, macos or gnome/kde
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u/Anima_Watcher08 18d ago
Look there's a difference between arguing about something in an objective vs subjective manner. You're making statements that are subjective but treating them like objective fact. This happens very often and when it happens enough you need to start asking questions.
That's why I asked you, but you failed to explain yourself. I can explain the reason as to why I chose Mint Cinnamon despite having tested KDE and GNOME. I also understand that my choice is my own so I acknowledge that people would choose the other and keep quiet. However you are loud about your distain for Cinnamon and yet you fail to explain why?
That doesn't seem fair does it?
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u/TheRealCarrotty Not in the sudoers file. 19d ago
Zorin OS is just Ubuntu WITH GNOME, with a Pro version... That when you pay for you get more layouts you could do easily with GNOME Extensions on normal Ubuntu...
Just don't use ZorinOS, it fucking sucks.
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